Richie Petrowski, Jim Nicoll, Nanabush Westwind, Robert Lee
What's up guys? :)
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Richie Petrowski
Just learning.
Pete Daoust
Great :)
Pete Daoust
Would you like to go fast, or slow? :/
Pete Daoust
Ok....here, the fast method
1). ALL BELIEFS ARE EVIL, all of them. And through a quick tour on your facebook page, you're filled with stupid beliefs......fix that.
2). YOU THINK WRONG AND VALUE THE WRONG THINGS......accept it and fix it.
3). Read all these articles 2 to 3 times, and then come back here with questions....
Thanks
Pete.
http://kentbarrett.com/articles/
Chris Evan
73 followers for this guy? YIKES!
Nanabush Westwind
thanks for letting me in lol, wanting to know about law had a my charges vacated once, so justa learner
Pete Daoust
"had a my charges vacated once"
Can you vague that up? :/
Scott Duncan
I vacated my bowels a little while ago...
Robert Lee
Thank you for allowing me to join group, I'll take the slow pathway :-)
Jim Nicoll
Thank you Pete. You pointed me in the direction of TTFL back in mid December. Either Chris or Kent pointed me to the files section and Scott's gold nuggets.
The first 3 months I spent about 10 hours a day going back through all the posts.
I was taking too much in and not giving my brain a chance to absorb what I was reading.
I'm still spending a fair amount of time going through the posts and comments. But now, taking breaks and then coming back, I find things are starting to stand out.
I've been getting frustrated lately because there are some posts where ideas are started, but not finished in the posts or there are multiple directions that are not quite clear to me.
I would much rather ask for clarification in the posts, than to message any of the members, as I know you all get bombarded with questions in your inboxes.
again... thank you for allowing me to join.
Nanabush Westwind
vacated your bowels eh ? how old ru ? lmao, any way i dont know too much about this but i learned about the private side of the matter and wrote on the back of the offer my charges mailed to me by the crown. and i filled a brown envlope which i gave to the crown with regina vs JAH the queens oath, undrip, and related treaty's, my statutory declaration. told them they have no sovreinty , judicial authortity because of regina vs jah the queen has no sovreinty so where are they getting there authority from any way in the end it was vacated
Scott Duncan
More riff-raff piling up at the door...
Nanabush Westwind
hey no worries ill leave the group its all good so u can keep ur hatches open .....riff raff lol ur too funyy kiddo
Pete Daoust
I have helped Nanamush.....he's gone.
Anibal Jose Baez
Pft! We know how to VACATE members here! :D
Lei Gh
In the door; out the window. :P
Scott Duncan
These threads never go well
Richie Petrowski
Thanks for the honesty Pete Daoust, have spent the last few days with your points in consideration, and you were right. Thank you Scott Duncan as well for your generosity and time you have taken to publish your work.
This is what I needed.
Jim Nicoll
Almost 1 1/2 months ago, I asked Bell to send me a bill so I can pay it. What I received though was an account summary... correction... I received a "copy" of an account summary.
I am thinking I should make "copies" of legal tender and send them to Bell, to cover the "copy" of the account summary.
Any thoughts?
Scott Duncan
Copying LEGAL TENDER is fraud.
Scott Duncan
They are sending STATEMENTS. All you want is a BILL or a SIGNED INVOICE.
Jim Nicoll
I've been reading TTFL posts, and I've been leaning a lot. I know they are just statements. Well in this case, a summary.
I'm not into committing fraud, so guess I won't be copying legal tender then.
Just thought I would play with their heads. Kinda getting tired of big corporations insulting my intelligence.
So it looks like I will have to go with my second, but less humorous option, which was to send them a letter telling them I can only settle this matter if they send me a bill or signed invoice.
Scott Duncan
"Just thought I would play with their heads" <---whatever thought process lead you to think this was a "good idea", you need to kill it NOW.
Anibal Jose Baez
And ALWAYS PROMISE you will settle the accounting of any debt, as soon as you get the bill.
Jim Nicoll
Not that I thought it was good. Just tired of the games they play.
Pete Daoust
Have you bought something from them ?
Scott Duncan
THEY don't! You are dealing with ignorant plebes who "follow the rules". There is no "games" being played.
Jim Nicoll
They want me to buy something.
Pete Daoust
What is it?
Jim Nicoll
I know. Trying to get the contact info for someone that knows.
Pete Daoust
What is it they are trying to sell you?
Jim Nicoll
They want me to buy back a debt they seem to think I owe.
Pete Daoust
Oh boy......be specific here......why in the fuck they demand MONEY from you
Jim Nicoll
Then they will deposit that invoice as well
Scott Duncan
Let me explain the three levels of stupid "Just thought I would play with their heads" is:
1: It accomplishes exactly NOTHING.
2: It flags you and attracts the wrong attention, and you will find "Just thought I would play with their heads" being used AGAINST you in LEGAL proceedings.
3: ARE YOU FUCKING 12?
Jim Nicoll
ok. So always be serious when dealing with them, no matter how much they piss me off.
Jim Nicoll
always stay in honor.
Pete Daoust
be specific here......why in the fuck they demand MONEY from you? :/
Chris Evan
Oh fuck...I just had to scroll up to see if it was one of "those" threads, and it is. This may go badly....
Pete Daoust
Bell doesn't demand MONEY from me, unless I buy something from them.
be specific here......why in the fuck they demand MONEY from you? �motic�ne unsure
Pete Daoust
Jim Nicoll, answer the question.
Jim Nicoll
They provide a service.
Pete Daoust
You asked for that service?
Scott Duncan
Don't mix-and-match shit either. Remember that I only POINT at things. You are not qualified to handle the "LEGAL" my way.
I suspect you have not gone through past accounting to see if you actually consented.
Jim Nicoll
I read this in one of the posts. my brain is a bit slow at teh moment.
Pete Daoust
HAVE YOU ASKED FOR THAT FUCKING SERVICE? >:o
Anibal Jose Baez
Did Bell forced to to get this service, or you AGREED to the service by signing a contract, Jim Nicoll?
Jim Nicoll
I know I consented. But now I know that I don't have to buy back.
Scott Duncan
We are talking about people with ARTS degrees! How fast does your brain really need to be?
Jim Nicoll
Yes... I asked for teh services.
Pete Daoust
SO YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.......GO FUCK YOURSELF FUCKING SQUATTER ......I hate squatters :/
Scott Duncan
Then you are done!
Jim Nicoll
It would have to be as fast as yours, which I don't see happening.
Anibal Jose Baez
Is Bell a private company?
Jim Nicoll
They are a public company
Pete Daoust
FUCK OFF......ignorant :P
Scott Duncan
Yes it is... and it's WHOLLY OWNED by the ONTARIO TEACHER'S FEDERATION'S PENSION FUND.
Pete Daoust
:D
Jim Nicoll
I didn't know that.
Pete Daoust
Why all these freedumbers wants free stuff? .....what the fuck is wrong with these fucking FREE-MAN-ON-THE-LAND ?
Anibal Jose Baez
Jim Nicoll, if you placed your signature in that contract without reading it, you have to pay. The PROOF is your signature.
Jim Nicoll
I'm not a freedumber. That is why I came here to learn.
Pete Daoust
Get a fucking Government job if you want free shit.....
Scott Duncan
It's PUBLICLY TRADED. That does NOT make it a "Public Company". "Publicly Traded" simply means the government has a legal right to buy it. THAT'S IT!.
Pete Daoust
PAY FOR WHAT YOU'VE ASKED......is it too complicated ? :/
Jim Nicoll
I don't want free shit. I give freely of my time, many times. I just want to learn to act in honor and not get screwed over anymore.
Scott Duncan
PAST contracts signed in ignorance are still valid.
Anibal Jose Baez
You may discharge only PUBLIC DEBT you DID NOT asked for. Anything else is fraud.
Jim Nicoll
I intend to pay. my intention was always to pay.
Pete Daoust
If you decide to BUY something, PAY for that something........is this complicated? :/
Pete Daoust
Have you RECEIVED the service? ....have you fucking BENEFIT from it?
Jim Nicoll
Yes I have.
Pete Daoust
SO PAY YOU FUCKING TARD :/
Pete Daoust
Fuck off......I am out, no patience this morning :(
Scott Duncan
If you do not honour a contract, why should yours be honoured?
Pete Daoust
Where do you get all this patience, Scott Duncan? :(
Jim Nicoll
I want to pay without joiner to legal tender.
Pete Daoust
Ok, just shut the fuck up, please ....just shut your stupid mouth :(
Scott Duncan
That wasn't the terms!
Scott Duncan
You may WANT to pay without joinder, but you signed a contract (AN AGREEMENT) that you says you CAN'T.
Jim Nicoll
So I willl continue to pay them the way I have in the past.
I'm trying to grasp what I read here.
Scott Duncan
Ever wonder why "personal" rates are always cheaper than Corporate Rates, EVERYWHERE?
Anibal Jose Baez
Ok Jim Nicoll. You are in a circumstance which you BELIEVED to have known what you were doing. Now you are hit with the reality that you are WRONG. You can either defend your position, and get banned, OR actually find out why are you wrong, and what is the truth about this whole "discharge" of public debt.
Scott Duncan
Corporations are PERSONS too.
Jim Nicoll
I can't defend my position because I am confused, so obviously I am wrong.
Scott Duncan
Why don't corporations have the same rates as you?
Scott Duncan
We will use the phone company as our example, and we will walk through it here, Jim Nicoll.
Simply answer tho the best of your ability.
Jim Nicoll
I haven't looked at teh differences in a long time. I haven't thought about it.
Scott Duncan
Well think about it now.
Jim Nicoll
I know I was paying less when I got it through the company I worked for.
Scott Duncan
They were re-selling. That's not the same thing.
Jim Nicoll
I don't know the answer to that. I would have to go find out why they get it cheaper.
Scott Duncan
They don't. They buy bulk licences that they sell to you.
Jim Nicoll
Yes. It said that on the contract. They got it cheaper because they were getting it in bulk.
Scott Duncan
The carrier literally becomes AGENT for the corporation that bought the product from them. It's genius from a surety perspective :D
Jim Nicoll
I just got teh agent thing from one of your posts I read the other day.
Scott Duncan
I you had a BUSINESS line, it will be nearly twice as much as the consumer's version. That's because the LIABILITY IS LIMITED.
Jim Nicoll
And the consolidation fund thing. I understand why their is no gazillions in it that freedumbers can get.
Anibal Jose Baez
That's a LIE, JIM!
Jim Nicoll
I didn't connect the liability aspect.
Scott Duncan
You speak of the CONSOLIDATED REVENUE FUND, and it is a RECEIVER'S ACCOUNT.
Scott Duncan
And in fact, for PUBLIC DEBT, you can access as much as you need!
Anibal Jose Baez
There are TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in accounts... but in NEGATIVE ACCOUNTING, it's ALL DEBT! :D That kind of money is DEBT!
Scott Duncan
Ask Pete Daoust :D
Jim Nicoll
Money as debt talks about that. We don't want that.
Scott Duncan
LEGAL=SURETY and ACCOUNTING, but you didn't connect the liability aspect?
What did you think "Ltd." at the end of corporate names, actually means?
Anibal Jose Baez
Jim Nicoll, if you go to a cash machine to retrieve money, and your account balance is -$39,000.00... how much cash you believe you can get? :D
Jim Nicoll
I didn't connect it because that was not my train of thought. I've only been learning this stuff the past few months. There is still so much for me to try and grasp.
Jim Nicoll
The money in the account is money of account. what I take out is money of exchange.
Jim Nicoll
I thought I was starting to understand all this, but I guess it is easier to read it that to articulate it.
Anibal Jose Baez
But BOTH are DEBT money. It's all promises to pay at a later time, and it's all kept via accounting, credits and debits of the debt.
Anibal Jose Baez
ETHER or DASH, on the other hand are CREDIT MONEY. There is no debt involved in that kind of money. You should get with the times, Jim Nicoll! :P
Scott Duncan
Fiat Money is DEBT IN TRANSIT. If you can buy good/services with it, it's MONEY OF EXCHANGE.
The rest is MONEY OF ACCOUNT. MONEY OF EXCHANGE can buy MONEY OF ACCOUNT, but MONEY OF ACCOUNT cannot buy MONEY OF EXCHANGE.
The ONLY thing MONEY OF ACCOUNT can buy, is MORE MONEY OF ACCOUNT.
Jim Nicoll
It's all debt. I've already been familiarizing myself with alt coins. I have a measley 3000 doge and a few other coins. Didn't have the means until a few days ago to actually invest in some equipment to start mining. I have been cpu mining and it is a wste of time.
Anibal Jose Baez
Learning about the blockchain technology it's not a waste of time. You think wrong, and value the wrong things! :P But, only if you want to, we can help here.
Scott Duncan
When you use a CREDIT CARD, you are CREATING MONEY OF ACCOUNT, and the merchant gets MONEY OF EXCHANGE from the TRUSTEE (The Credit Card Issuer). That's why the business is "Charged Back" when the cardholder defaults.
Jim Nicoll
I'm taking the Nicosia course online to learn about teh blockchain.
Jim Nicoll
I got that info from here and thought it would be a good idea to take the course.
Anibal Jose Baez
By the way, they have now scholarships for a Masters in Crypto Currencies in U Nikosia.
Scott Duncan
As always, the BLOCKCHAIN is what matters, not the currency.
Jim Nicoll
I understand that. It can't be the currency, because there are different currencies.
Scott Duncan
COMPETING currencies too! This is a VERY GOOD thing.
Jim Nicoll
I was starting to invest in Dash, but there are conflicting opinions about whether one should invest.
Anibal Jose Baez
Currencies are NOT investments.
Scott Duncan
CURRENCIES ARE NOT INVESTMENTS!
Scott Duncan
LOL!
Scott Duncan
See?
Anibal Jose Baez
It's all your fault!
Jim Nicoll
I don't mean it that way. I mean an investment of my time
Pete Daoust
CURRENCIES ARE NOT FUCKING INVESTMENT :P
Jim Nicoll
Sorry for the confusion. I don't mean in teh monetary sense.
Scott Duncan
Yes you did. That's all the word INVESTMENT is for!
Anibal Jose Baez
You don't need to pretend that you know around here. Because we can tell you do not. But that is fine. This is the right place to learn.
You are trying to run before you even know how to crawl! You don't even know what the words you use mean.
Jim Nicoll
I'm looking at it as in Pete's example of using it internally to handle payments. Not from making a profit.
Scott Duncan
I don't go down to your level. You come up to mine. Use your words properly.
Scott Duncan
FAIR WARNING: The phrase "You know what I mean" will get you banned.
Jim Nicoll
It is monetary. But in the sense of a car. You buy it not for it's monetary value but because it gets you from point A to point B, if that makes sense.
Scott Duncan
That's not an investment.
Jim Nicoll
ok. I will etch that in my brain.
Scott Duncan
If you make money from the car, it's an investment. Ask your accountant.
Jim Nicoll
So I guess I have more words that I need to work on. It takes some thought having to figure out which meaning I should be using.
Scott Duncan
If the car makes money, LEASE it. you don't want to OWN it.
Anibal Jose Baez
Jim Nicoll, since we navigate in a LEGAL world, ALL words have a LEGAL definition. Those are the ONLY definitions we are concerned about here. Look up EVERY word in a legal dictionary BEFORE you use words at random here.
Jim Nicoll
As I said above. I have a list going. I've been jumping all over the place here trying to learn as quickly as possible. I know I need to focus more and learn one thing at a time, instead of trying to learn everything at once.
Scott Duncan
All LAWYER are LYING as soon as they open their mouth.
They always act as if they are using "common" meanings of the words. You would be a perfect victim of one.
Anibal Jose Baez
It is called LEGALESE, and it's a way for LAW SOCIETY, CHARTERED ACCOUNTS, and other parties in commerce, at plain sight, to conduct their "business" without the understanding of most. There are no synonyms, nor homonyms in "law".
Scott Duncan
It's not "learning" that's hard. As I've said, for three years, IF IT'S HARD, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
Scott Duncan
YOU are clinging to some precious "belief" and you don't even know what it is yet. All of you are (or were, in some notable cases).
Jim Nicoll
I have been doing it wrong. That is why I now start taking breaks from reading the posts on here. I find taking breaks lets my mind relax. I find tidbits when I come back, that I missed earlier.
Scott Duncan
That's also why you NEVER CHANGE THE WORDS on LEGAL documents like NOTICE OF MISTAKE.
Jim Nicoll
I have seen enough posts about people changing your words, that I know better.
Jim Nicoll
I have the NOTICE OF ERROR etched in my brain.
Anibal Jose Baez
:D
Pete Daoust
Lol :D
Pete Daoust
Oh man, SHOOT YOURSELF :D
Jim Nicoll
Sorry I pissed you off Pete. I have gotten a lot from your posts. You clarify things that we newbies find hard to grasp.
Anibal Jose Baez
What Jim means, is that he read about the guy that changed MISTAKE for ERROR. So, he knows now not the importance of not changing Scott's words.
Jim Nicoll
Well... Since in the definition of mistake, it says error, then why use error.
Pete Daoust
Ok, stop now Jim Nicoll. Just stop.
Read all Scott's articles at least 3 times each, and then come back here with the one or two questions you might have.....but STOP FOR NOW....
Jim Nicoll
Yes... My brain is foggy from lack of sleep last night, but I have been catching a lot of the nuggets you put out.
Scott Duncan
One has SURETY, and the other does not.
Jim Nicoll
I have a text file where I am putting my questions.
Anibal Jose Baez
Hey Jim, now I want to go back to the original theme of this post... But PROMISE to limit to just anwer my quesions, ok?
Jim Nicoll
ok
Scott Duncan
MISTAKE=NO SURETY/LIABILITY
ERROR=Not so much.
Pete Daoust
I want him to shut the fuck up......just STOP
Scott Duncan
Know my Pain, Pete Daoust.
Scott Duncan
I endured a year of you, before you clued in :P
Pete Daoust
Yes, :/
Scott Duncan
He's been here...what, 72 hours?
Really?
Pete Daoust
Maybe I am too tough on him :/
Jim Nicoll
Not too tough. I have to learn.
Pete Daoust
Ok, Anibal Jose Baez, play with him.....I am going for a nap :D
Scott Duncan
It's not fabricated hostile stupidity like Dan Lien-Your-Name Wilson, or Sewer Ellie. This guy just didn't know.
Pete Daoust
Yes :/
Scott Duncan
You don't go all Scott Duncan on their asses until they know first. THEN there is intent.
Anibal Jose Baez
Jim Nicoll, you came here, and wrote a post about wanting to dischage a Bell debt. You had a exchange with Scott, and a few of us. You found out that you are wrong.
After this exchange, do you know what was wrong, and it why was wrong what you were trying to do?
I am really interested to know if you have learned anything here.
Pete Daoust
Sorry Jim Nicoll, you can be as stupid as you need..... Anibal Jose Baez accepted surety for it. :/
Jim Nicoll
I haven't had time to think about it. The post went in a different direction.
I'm trying to process it now.
Scott Duncan
Read the whole group history knowing you are running a program.
Scott Duncan
I come from the people who put it there.
Jim Nicoll
First I was wrong in trying to play games instead of dealing with my responsibility
Scott Duncan
You need a licence to play those games.
Jim Nicoll
I just learned that even though a company is traded publicly, that doesn't automatically make it a public company.
Anibal Jose Baez
Jim Nicoll, with the information we shared here, try to see what was exactly wrong with what you were trying to do. Then place your thoughts here. There is no hurry. Take ALL the time you need. If you come back with your answers (even is they are retarded), or even no answers because you honestly do not know, I promise I will explain to you what I see.
Jim Nicoll
Thank you. I will need a bit of time to go back over this post.
Anibal Jose Baez
We are not going anywhere soon. Take your time.
Anibal Jose Baez
And in the meantime, shut the fuck up. :D
Pete Daoust
If you can catch on the fact that when you decide to BUY something, you have to PAY for that something, this would help me a lot with my very short fuse on stupidity.
Peace
Pete. :/
Pete Daoust
If your intents is not to BUY, you won't even have to THINK about PAYING :D
Ask Hydro-Quebec, they'll tell you!! :D ....oh, and City of Terrebonne too, I am sure they must have caught on about it now :/
Jim Nicoll
This was my thought process.
I have asked for services, and I have always paid.
If I buy something, I pay for it.
I did not know that I was buying back debt until I read it on TTFL
I don't have to buy back debt if I don't want to.
I have the option to buy back the debt or discharge it.
I am not yet ready to start discharging debts, but wanted to prepare
by having Bell send me bills instead of paying online.
My intention is to pay, I was just offended that they sent a "copy" instead of sending a bill, and I started thinking the wrong things.
I posted my thoughts here in order to have constructive feedback, because I wasn't thinking clearly and I didn't want to do something stupid.
From Pete's example with hydro.
Pete has the option to buy back the debt and let hydro have the remittance or he can discharge the debt as authorized administrator for PIERRE DAOUST.
9111-1111 can buy the debt.
They are asking me to buy this debt.
I don't want to buy this debt. This debt was sent to my person.
Since I haven't had the means to get my notices sent out, my plan was to get proper bills/invoices and continue to pay until I am able to discharge. My goal is to be prepared for when I do start taking charge.
This was my thought process.
I now have the means to get the notices done, as well as creating a corporation.
I do understand that if I buy something I must pay, and that if I choose not to buy something, I don't have to pay.
I have to process the words I use and choose them carefully.
I'm still stuck on the common meaning most of the time.
I got this far then had to run out for a bit.
I thought I was understanding what I was reading, but not so sure now.
It is my persons account, so my person is the one receiving the benefit. I just have use of it.
I am not a person, I have a person, and as the administrator, I am supposed to be able to use the security of the person to settle things.
I know I have to notify the government and Bank of Canada about using the security of the person and asking if I am correct.
When I get an invoice I turn the remittance part into a BOE, endorse it and send instructions stating that it is a BOE and where to send it in order to have it discharged.
using legal tender is paying debt with debt
I think I complicated things here by not being clear in my intentions and using the wrong words.
I thought everything about credit cards was money of account. I didn't know the merchant's got money of exchange.
I know both money of account and money of exchange are debt.
I knew money of exchange can get you money of account, but I didn't know money of account can't get you money of exchange.
So that one has my brain going trying to figure out why that is.
My brain is fried... Sitting here thinking isn't bringing up anything different. I'm missing something and it's right in front of me, but I don't see it.
Anibal Jose Baez
Ok Jim Nicoll, let me tell you that you have a mess in your head. You have some information correct, but most incorrect, because of a faulty thought process. As you mentioned at the end of your comment, you don't see it. But here is the place to learn.
Can I ask you complete ERASE anything you BELIEVE to know about .law/money? Can you start from scratch? :/
Anibal Jose Baez
It's a yes or no answer.
Anibal Jose Baez
I know you are probably tired, and I have to go soon, but we can start, and come back tomorrow, and continue.
Scott Duncan
I don't think you know what PUBLIC means LEGALLY.
Scott Duncan
PUBLIC=GOVERNMENT PROPERTY.
Scott Duncan
PUBLIC=GOVERNMENT.
Pete Daoust
PUBLIC DEBT = GOVERNEMENT PROPERTY :D
Anibal Jose Baez
Jim Nicoll, do you accept my offer, or not? :/
Jim Nicoll
I left after I posted. I needed to get off the computer.
The answer is yes, I want to erase what I thought was right.
I do accept your offer Anibal, thank you
I have to work on some things for tomorrow, so I am staying offline for the day. I think I will even shut down facebook and come back tomorrow and make a fresh start.
Scott Duncan
Remember Pete and Anibal; If they don't know any better, their intent is not hostile. This is the hardest and most annoying part. There is no INTENT. They cannot be blamed.
Those that are lying about me, DO know better. Redirect your annoyance at poor Mr. Nicoll, to something that deserves the contempt you feel, because THEY are why Mr. Nicoll even exists in his current mindset.
This isn't Sewer Ellie, or the Piece-of-Shit Christians. Don't harm the victims, no matter how right you are to feel contempt. They don't know any better, and it's probably cruel for them to know anything else, but I don't really care. I DO know something else, and I have lived my live there. It's dying and needs fresh minds to bring it back to life.
I'm going to show you how to bring the whole corrupt mess down, and then I will show you how to build what you are looking for. Didn't you know? I have THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING. :D
True Story! :D
Anyway, TL;DR: Ignorance is not hostility. TRY not to beat up the ignorant. I REALLY know what you are feeling... you have all made me feel it at one time or another.
Scott Duncan
Note I said TRY... because I totally get what you are feeling. Really.
Pete Daoust
Yes.
Chris Evan
Greg Hopkins, are you a Piece-of-Shit Christian?
Chris Evan
How did this one slip by?
Anibal Jose Baez
Judging by his wall, YES!
Anibal Jose Baez
And some Quantum Woodfuckery on the side too!
Anibal Jose Baez
He is into legal definitions... but from 1893. With a time machine, he can go back, and really "do some damage"! :D
Chris Evan
Jesus tricked us?? Hahaha!
Pete Daoust
He's now gone....
Anibal Jose Baez
Greg Hopkins, what is your imaginary friend telling you "in your heart," that you should stay in this group without reading the about section (terms and conditions), or leave the group?
Pete Daoust
He is not here anymore :P
Chris Evan
Maybe God will get his kid out of jail
Anibal Jose Baez
:/
Neens Jean
Scott Duncan
When will people realize that Zombie Rape-Baby-on-a-stick is the cause if their current ignorance?
You don't get to pick and choose your "belief" when you are seeking the truth. If you believe that Zombie Rape-Baby-on-a-stick is real, then you are NOT seeking truth and have NO business being here.
Scott Duncan
Pete Daoust, how did you let a Stealth Piece-of-Shit Christian in?
Jim Nicoll
Scott: Your comment about me running before learning to walk is quite accurate. I have been trying to play catch up. I read and read and read, but I don't stop and take the time to absorb what I'm reading, so it ends up being time wasted.
Hopefully Anibal, you can help me slow down and focus on one thing at a time.
Since I am starting from the beginning again, I should go back to Scott's articles, but this time, read only one at a time and then reread it.
Pete Daoust
Jim Nicoll, do you know Martin Sutton ?
Jim Nicoll
I recognize his face. I don't know if I ever spoke with him.
Pete Daoust
So you wanted to avoid paying a Bell debt. You have Martin Sutton on your facebook friendlist.
You want to fully cooperate in here, you don't seems to be mad at all.
You're ready to flush everything you've learned and start from scratch.
You are a very special kind of fucktard from what I have seen so far :D
I was mad when I joined the Tender for Law and was looking for answers. I was the most ignorant/fucktard in here.
I am having a hard time believing you want to invest all this time for a Bell debt :D
Sorry, I suspect you being a something else than a fucktard :P
Jim Nicoll
If Martin is on my friends list, he is from legal deception.
I added a couple people from there, then I stopped because they all think I have answers, when I don't.
I used to be very mad, but being mad doesn't help me.
I never said I didn't want to pay a debt. I was pissed that they didn't send me a proper bill when I asked.
This is not about a Bell debt. I spoke with Bell again today and they would send a proper bill.
Neens Jean
Oh good ole Legal Deception group. I started my journey there. WOW is all I can say! Glad I did not take their words for TRUTH and kept searching and found Chris in that search.
Jim Nicoll
I haven't done any of their stuff. It was just another stepping stone in getting new info.
Anibal Jose Baez
I think Jim wants to learn, and those are his intentions now.
Jim Nicoll
I have Derek Moran in my friends list, but I have not spoken with him. I had planned to, but after what I saw Scott say to him in the posts, I figured he was not the one I should be seeking answers from.
Anibal Jose Baez
I got here for all the wrong reasons.
Jim Nicoll
I do want to learn. I'm not good with interacting with people though.
Pete Daoust
What do you want to learn?
Jim Nicoll
I want to learn how to properly interact with system without being a slave.
Jim Nicoll
I see successes and I see failures. It's confusing as to what is best to do. continue to fight or give in.
Anibal Jose Baez
We can only offer to tell you the truth here. :/ If that is acceptable, you can learn a lot here.
Jim Nicoll
Pete puts a lot of his stuff on here, and he's not hiding anything. Some of the things I've read I can see. Other things take some thought to understand.
Scott Duncan
No.
Scott Duncan
If it's hard then you are doing it wrong.
Jim Nicoll
I was doing it wrong, because some of it I made hard. That is why my brain was hurting.
Scott Duncan
You are also PROGRAMMED
Jim Nicoll
I've had a couple aha moments. But there are many more ahead.
Scott Duncan
When I put words in CAPS, look them up, especially if you think you know what the word means.
Jim Nicoll
I'm tired of being frustrated.
Jim Nicoll
I started my word list. I'm putting them in Onenote for easy reference.
Jim Nicoll
I just added PROGRAMMED I think I should look that one up too.
Scott Duncan
Yes you should. (Spoiler: A pre-determined set of events)
Jim Nicoll
It took a while, but I'm starting to catch on to the spoilers. They were like a riddle at first. I didn't know what I was supposed to look for.
Anibal Jose Baez
Ok, let me explain something to you, Jim Nicoll.
All money is DEBT IN TRANSIT. So there is no magical accounts with cash waiting to be retrieved. It's all DEBTS, in negative accounting.
You can either BUY debts (by PAYING), OR DISCHARGE them using the surety of your person. The question is: how do you know which debts you MUST pay, and which ones you may DISCHARGE?
You have private debts, and public debts. All debts.
A private debt is, for example, a credit card, a loan or mortgage to a bank, or a cell phone service. For those you VOLUNTARILY ASKED FOR THEM, and signed a contract PROMISING you would PAY. NOT discharge! And your SIGNATURE it's PROOF of CONSENT, and UNDERSTANDING.
A public debt you DID NOT asked for it. Those are debts like income taxes, criminal charges, property taxes, etc. Those debts are IMPOSED on your person. You did not asked for taxes, that was imposed via legislation. You did not asked to get charged with "resisting arrest." A cop (THE PUBLIC) did. See how it is?
It is ONLY PUBLIC DEBT that you may DISCHARGE using the surety of your person. You read that? ONLY PUBLIC DEBT.
BUT... there is a catch! By ignorance, we can BELIEVE that the only way to deal with this public debt is by PAYING. Some AGENCY sends YOU some paper saying your person owes a debt, and then by IGNORANCE you go and GIVE your SIGNATURE in that paper as PROOF of CONSENT, and UNDERSTANDING that NOW YOU are going to be the responsible party for that debt. If you give your signature, you NO LONGER can discharge that debt, because you PROMISED to PAY for it.
Was that clear, Jim Nicoll?
Anibal Jose Baez
That is the reason you cannot DISCHARGE your Bell debt, it's a private debt that you must PAY, because you SIGNED and PROMISED to PAY, and you must ALWAYS keep your promises.
I hope that helps a bit.
Jim Nicoll
Just to make sure, I am going to read it quite a few times.
I was definitely missing the difference between private and public.
Jim Nicoll
I can see Pete's point now. I definitely don't want to avoid paying. I can see why you said most of what I was thinking was wrong.
Better to find out here.
Jim Nicoll
That didn't help a bit... It helped a LOT. Thank you.
Anibal Jose Baez
And you were missing that if you GIVE your SIGNATURE as PROMISE to PAY a PUBLIC DEBT, you are stuck, and must pay. YOUR SIGNATURE = SURETY for a DEBT
Anibal Jose Baez
Many "freedumbers" BELIEVE there is 'free" shit waiting to be taken. There is not. There is only debts, and promises to pay for them, public or private. That's it.
Jim Nicoll
That was an aha moment when Scott mentioned the receivers account a few days ago. It is debt, and the freedumbers think it's money.
Anibal Jose Baez
Yes, there is ONLY DEBTS!
Jim Nicoll
One thing that confuses me. money of exchange can buy money of account. money of account can buy other money of account.
Money of account can't buy money of exchange, so how do you get money of exchange?
Anibal Jose Baez
Ok, first, do you know what are those, and the difference between them?
Pete Daoust
Are you in Montreal, Jim?
Jim Nicoll
Money of account is just accounting. And money of exchange is what you have in your pocket.
Jim Nicoll
I'm just south in Chateauguay.
Anibal Jose Baez
No.
Anibal Jose Baez
Remember, MONEY means LEGAL. And LEGAL is SURETY and ACCOUNTING. It's ALL about the MONEY.
This is not the definition of money of exchange and money of account, rather a simple explanation of their mechanics.
MONEY OF EXCHANGE, is money you have the BENEFIT of using WITHOUT being SURETY for the it. For example, a $20 dollar bill. Your signature is NOT on it, right?
MONEY OF ACCOUNT is money you have the benefit of using, but YOU ARE SURETY for it. Like a CHECK, or a CREDIT CARD, you must SING to use, so YOU become SURETY for that money.
Anibal Jose Baez
Did you get that? Everybody get that?
Jim Nicoll
So using money of exchange, I am not surety, but by using it, I am bound by acts and statutes?
Jim Nicoll
signature=surety
Anibal Jose Baez
<<So using money of exchange, I am not surety, but by using it, I am bound by acts and statutes?>>
Yes! BOTH forms of money are LEGAL TENDER. They bound the user to the rules. But with money of exchange, you are just not SURETY for the NOTE/BILL/MONEY. For the other kind, you ARE surety if that check bounces. Rules still apply.
Is that clear?
Jim Nicoll
It is now. Man... there is more to learn than I thought.
Anibal Jose Baez
If it's complicated, you are doing it wrong. Look how if you ALWAYS think SURETY and ACCOUNTING first, when dealing with LEGAL, you can focus in what matters.
Jim Nicoll
I am going to focus a lot more on surety and accounting. They are the most important things I need to learn.
Anibal Jose Baez
I told you if you accepted my offer, there is a lot to learn. Be sure to read. There is 4 years of awesomeness in this group, shared by Scott.
Pete Daoust
The guy's goal is "how to interact with the goberment", and he's in Quebec :D
Were you born in Quebec, Jim? :)
Jim Nicoll
I know... but I spent a lot of time reading TTFL the past 4 months.
Jim Nicoll
I was born here. Then I went to Ontario and was there for 20 years.
Anibal Jose Baez
ALWAYS FOCUS in SURETY, and ACCOUNTING when dealing in LEGAL. Remember, it's all DEBTS (ACCOUNTING), and who accounts for that debt SURETY (the responsible party for those debts). That is all "law" you want to focus on.
Pete Daoust
Do you have one of those CERTIFICATE, with the fleur de lys logo on it?
Anibal Jose Baez
Do you want to learn something else really cool, Jim Nicoll?
Jim Nicoll
I don't know where my original is, but the new one I have I got 3 years ago. It is not like the original.
Jim Nicoll
I'm always looking to learn something new.
Jim Nicoll
The only thing I remember about the original was the big red seal on it.
Pete Daoust
Do you have one of those CERTIFICATE, with the fleur de lys logo on it?
Jim Nicoll
Only as a watermark. not printed in ink
Pete Daoust
Do you have one of those CERTIFICATE, with the fleur de lys logo on it?
Anibal Jose Baez
Do you know how SURETY, and ACCOUNTING, relate to your person, when dealing with government/Law Society? :D
Anibal Jose Baez
Spoilers: LAW OF AGENCY!
Jim Nicoll
I was given a certificate, but it is not mine.
Pete Daoust
Ok...I'll try again :/
Do you have one of those CERTIFICATE, with the fleur de lys logo on it?
Anibal Jose Baez
Even if Jim Nicoll is some AGENT, the folks reading can still take advantage of this lesson. They can read, and verify to learn. I am just saying the truth.
Jim Nicoll
I'm not understanding Pete, but I understand I am considered an agent.
Anibal Jose Baez
He is not being disruptive.
Pete Daoust
Ok...read carefuly....
Do you have one of those CERTIFICATE, with the fleur de lys logo on it?
Jim Nicoll
yes
Pete Daoust
Aahhhh... see? :D easy
Jim Nicoll
easy for you :P
Jim Nicoll
I am over analyzing the questions.
Anibal Jose Baez
What is that suppose to mean, Pete Daoust? I am missing something.
Pete Daoust
This watermark red seal original not printed in ink bullshit is fucking pure bullshit....
Jim Nicoll
To which post Anibal?
Jim Nicoll
They are just there to make it look official?
Anibal Jose Baez
The fleur de lys logo on the birth certificate, why are you asking the question Pete Daoust?
Jim Nicoll
The only important thing is the name and the registration number?
Pete Daoust
I just wanted to know if he had one of these Quebec birth certificate
Jim Nicoll
There is the Quebec flag upper left corner.
Anibal Jose Baez
Fuck, I was on a roll. :/
Pete Daoust
Keep rolling :P
Jim Nicoll
I would have to scroll up to see her name, but one of the new members lives close by me. You could always have her come by to verify I'm not an agent.
Anibal Jose Baez
Hey Jim Nicoll, ready to continue?
Jim Nicoll
yes Anibal.
Anibal Jose Baez
Do you know how SURETY, and ACCOUNTING, relate to your person, when dealing with government/Law Society?
Pete Daoust
It's an INSCRIPTION number, not a registration number :P
Jim Nicoll
I did read it, but I don't remember. I know that when we are in court, we agree to be surety.
Jim Nicoll
mine is in English. it says Registration.
Pete Daoust
What? :/
Jim Nicoll
On the birth certificate. Mine says registration number
Jim Nicoll
I also have a copy of an Act of Birth
Anibal Jose Baez
Ok, so now that you know that MONEY is DEBT IN TRANSIT, and that MONEY = LEGAL, and LEGAL = SURETY and ACCOUNTING, when CHARGES are created in court, a DEBT is been created. That is ALL that is happening in reality.
ALL you want to be concerned about in "law" is: if CHARGES = DEBT, you want to find where is the SURETY for that DEBT. Who is the responsible party to either PAY or DISCHARGE that DEBT? That is ALL "law" you need to be concerned about.
Do you get that? Everybody get that?
Jim Nicoll
That is why you always ask "who is surety".
Anibal Jose Baez
Because it's ALL DEBTS IN TRANSIT, and WHO ACCOUNTS for those DEBTS!
Jim Nicoll
So far it has always been me.
Anibal Jose Baez
You can change that.
Anibal Jose Baez
With knowledge.
Jim Nicoll
Well Anibal. You made it to my oneNote folder. I will be copying everything you posted in there for easy reference.
Jim Nicoll
I know I will have to read it a few times before it gets ingrained in my mind.
Anibal Jose Baez
So, if it is all SURETY, and ACCOUNTING, and your PERSON has been CHARGED, do you know who is the responsible party, SURETY, for that PUBLIC DEBT created, Jim Nicoll?
Jim Nicoll
Yes.. Reno Bernier
Jim Nicoll
His signature is on that document
Anibal Jose Baez
The PRINCIPAL is SURETY. The maker of the Birth Certificate/SECURITY/PERSON and whoever signs, is the responsible party for your person. You can only ACT as AGENT for your PERSON. Unless you admit to being the NAME/PERSON, which is the equivalent of you saying that YOU are the PRINCIPAL, therefore SURETY. Any attempt of saying you are HIM (The PRINCIPAL) is FRAUD.
The LAW OF AGENCY. In the relationship of AGENCY, the AGENTS perform for the PRINCIPAL, the PRINCIPAL being the ultimate responsible party for HIS/HER AGENTS.
Jim Nicoll
I know I'm the agent. But we never sign as agent, only administrator right?
Jim Nicoll
unless we don't know and we sign as principal
Anibal Jose Baez
The Administrator is an AGENT. Is not separate. You can only be HIM (The PRINCIPAL), or ACT as AGENT for HIM. What you want is to always give notice, and qualify your signature to avoid being an agent with surety. You can sign as Administrator/Agent without surety. You can act as agent, and still not be surety, ONLY if you know what you are doing.
Did you get that?
Anibal Jose Baez
When you sign:
By: __________________________
Sole Authorized Administrator for Jim Nicoll
you are qualifying your signature as an agent without surety.
Jim Nicoll
yes. I see that you always say authorized administrator, not agent, even though you are an agent. Just wanted to clarify.
Jim Nicoll
I have been doing By:_______ for about 4 years now.
Anibal Jose Baez
ADMINISTRATOR = AGENT
Everybody get that?
Jim Nicoll
be back in a few. have to go start the wood stove for my sister-in-law
Anibal Jose Baez
You can do that all you want, but you need to know WHY you are doing it, and WHY you can do it, to ASSERT your person's rights if challenged.
Anibal Jose Baez
When signing By: ____________, it also means you are showing INTENT to RESERVE ALL RIGHTS.
Anibal Jose Baez
I think at least a few here have clarified a few things, by reading this thread. I really wish so. :/
Jim Nicoll
You clarified a lot of things for me tonight Anibal.
My brain is hurting a bit, but it is a good hurt, compared to the confused hurt.
Anibal Jose Baez
It should not hurt. You should be happy you now know the TRUTH about a few things. That makes me happy always. What should anger you is the deception others use to hurt you, and others. That rage you should use to learn, and find solutions.
Anibal Jose Baez
And here is the ONLY place in the entire Internet where at least one man will ALWAYS tell you the truth, and that man is Scott Duncan.
Everything I shared with you, does not come from me. It was gifted by Scott to me, and now I am just paying back a debt. A very cool, but scary debt.
Jim Nicoll
That is why I said a good hurt. Things are getting clearer.
Anibal Jose Baez
Later, we can talk about the PROGRAM Scott mentioned to you. Understand why do you think wrong, and how to fix it, on your own. Here are the tools, the pieces of the puzzle. You have to join the dots, and do the leg work.
Jim Nicoll
I used to be angry but it made my body tense all the time.
When I'm angry I do stupid things.
I wouldn't kill those that harmed me, I would torture them. So best to keep the anger to a minimum.
Jim Nicoll
For me, best to learn what I need to learn, then I can get angry.
Anibal Jose Baez
Anger is not bad, if it towards an aggressor. How can you fight back an aggressor, if you don't feel angry enough to fight back for your life?
Use the anger towards your advantage. Use it to acquire knowledge, knowledge that can both free you up a bit, and be used against the aggressor.
Anibal Jose Baez
It's a one way trip. You can't unlearn what is taught here. For good, or for bad. So make the best out of it!
Jim Nicoll
I have been the "nice" guy for a very long time and many people have taken advantage of that. I have only recently started standing up for myself. It takes time. It does feel good when things go my way.
Anibal Jose Baez
I think it's time for you to go do something else, and we can continue tomorrow. You are starting to get all that PROGRAM "feel good" stuff out, and I don't want any shitstains in this thread, Jim. Later!
Jim Nicoll
Just finished copying everything over. I'm gonna take a break then go back and read it again.
Thank you for your time. enjoy your evening.
Scott Duncan
REMEMBER:
If it's GOVERNMENT, then ONLY THE LEGAL DEFINITION MATTERS.
If it's Law Society/Bar, then ONLY THE LEGAL DEFINITION MATTERS.
If it's a BANK, then ONLY THE LEGAL DEFINITION MATTERS.
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