REMEMBER: If it's GOVERNMENT, then ONLY THE LEGAL DEFINITION MATTERS. If it's Law Society/Bar, then ONLY THE LEGAL DEFINITION MATTERS. If it's a BANK, then ONLY THE LEGAL DEFINITION MATTERS.

Just learning.

Great :)

Would you like to go fast, or slow? :/

Ok....here, the fast method 1). ALL BELIEFS ARE EVIL, all of them. And through a quick tour on your facebook page, you're filled with stupid beliefs......fix that. 2). YOU THINK WRONG AND VALUE THE WRONG THINGS......accept it and fix it. 3). Read all these articles 2 to 3 times, and then come back here with questions.... Thanks Pete. http://kentbarrett.com/articles/

73 followers for this guy? YIKES!

thanks for letting me in lol, wanting to know about law had a my charges vacated once, so justa learner

"had a my charges vacated once" Can you vague that up? :/

I vacated my bowels a little while ago...

Thank you for allowing me to join group, I'll take the slow pathway :-)

Thank you Pete. You pointed me in the direction of TTFL back in mid December. Either Chris or Kent pointed me to the files section and Scott's gold nuggets. The first 3 months I spent about 10 hours a day going back through all the posts. I was taking too much in and not giving my brain a chance to absorb what I was reading. I'm still spending a fair amount of time going through the posts and comments. But now, taking breaks and then coming back, I find things are starting to stand out. I've been getting frustrated lately because there are some posts where ideas are started, but not finished in the posts or there are multiple directions that are not quite clear to me. I would much rather ask for clarification in the posts, than to message any of the members, as I know you all get bombarded with questions in your inboxes. again... thank you for allowing me to join.

vacated your bowels eh ? how old ru ? lmao, any way i dont know too much about this but i learned about the private side of the matter and wrote on the back of the offer my charges mailed to me by the crown. and i filled a brown envlope which i gave to the crown with regina vs JAH the queens oath, undrip, and related treaty's, my statutory declaration. told them they have no sovreinty , judicial authortity because of regina vs jah the queen has no sovreinty so where are they getting there authority from any way in the end it was vacated

More riff-raff piling up at the door...

hey no worries ill leave the group its all good so u can keep ur hatches open .....riff raff lol ur too funyy kiddo

I have helped Nanamush.....he's gone.

Pft! We know how to VACATE members here! :D

In the door; out the window. :P

These threads never go well

Thanks for the honesty Pete Daoust, have spent the last few days with your points in consideration, and you were right. Thank you Scott Duncan as well for your generosity and time you have taken to publish your work. This is what I needed.

Almost 1 1/2 months ago, I asked Bell to send me a bill so I can pay it. What I received though was an account summary... correction... I received a "copy" of an account summary. I am thinking I should make "copies" of legal tender and send them to Bell, to cover the "copy" of the account summary. Any thoughts?

Copying LEGAL TENDER is fraud.

They are sending STATEMENTS. All you want is a BILL or a SIGNED INVOICE.

I've been reading TTFL posts, and I've been leaning a lot. I know they are just statements. Well in this case, a summary. I'm not into committing fraud, so guess I won't be copying legal tender then. Just thought I would play with their heads. Kinda getting tired of big corporations insulting my intelligence. So it looks like I will have to go with my second, but less humorous option, which was to send them a letter telling them I can only settle this matter if they send me a bill or signed invoice.

"Just thought I would play with their heads" <---whatever thought process lead you to think this was a "good idea", you need to kill it NOW.

And ALWAYS PROMISE you will settle the accounting of any debt, as soon as you get the bill.

Not that I thought it was good. Just tired of the games they play.

Have you bought something from them ?

THEY don't! You are dealing with ignorant plebes who "follow the rules". There is no "games" being played.

They want me to buy something.

What is it?

I know. Trying to get the contact info for someone that knows.

What is it they are trying to sell you?

They want me to buy back a debt they seem to think I owe.

Oh boy......be specific here......why in the fuck they demand MONEY from you

Then they will deposit that invoice as well

Let me explain the three levels of stupid "Just thought I would play with their heads" is: 1: It accomplishes exactly NOTHING. 2: It flags you and attracts the wrong attention, and you will find "Just thought I would play with their heads" being used AGAINST you in LEGAL proceedings. 3: ARE YOU FUCKING 12?

ok. So always be serious when dealing with them, no matter how much they piss me off.

always stay in honor.

be specific here......why in the fuck they demand MONEY from you? :/

Oh fuck...I just had to scroll up to see if it was one of "those" threads, and it is. This may go badly....

Bell doesn't demand MONEY from me, unless I buy something from them. be specific here......why in the fuck they demand MONEY from you? �motic�ne unsure

Jim Nicoll, answer the question.

They provide a service.

You asked for that service?

Don't mix-and-match shit either. Remember that I only POINT at things. You are not qualified to handle the "LEGAL" my way. I suspect you have not gone through past accounting to see if you actually consented.

I read this in one of the posts. my brain is a bit slow at teh moment.

HAVE YOU ASKED FOR THAT FUCKING SERVICE? >:o

Did Bell forced to to get this service, or you AGREED to the service by signing a contract, Jim Nicoll?

I know I consented. But now I know that I don't have to buy back.

We are talking about people with ARTS degrees! How fast does your brain really need to be?

Yes... I asked for teh services.

SO YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.......GO FUCK YOURSELF FUCKING SQUATTER ......I hate squatters :/

Then you are done!

It would have to be as fast as yours, which I don't see happening.

Is Bell a private company?

They are a public company

FUCK OFF......ignorant :P

Yes it is... and it's WHOLLY OWNED by the ONTARIO TEACHER'S FEDERATION'S PENSION FUND.

:D

I didn't know that.

Why all these freedumbers wants free stuff? .....what the fuck is wrong with these fucking FREE-MAN-ON-THE-LAND ?

Jim Nicoll, if you placed your signature in that contract without reading it, you have to pay. The PROOF is your signature.

I'm not a freedumber. That is why I came here to learn.

Get a fucking Government job if you want free shit.....

It's PUBLICLY TRADED. That does NOT make it a "Public Company". "Publicly Traded" simply means the government has a legal right to buy it. THAT'S IT!.

PAY FOR WHAT YOU'VE ASKED......is it too complicated ? :/

I don't want free shit. I give freely of my time, many times. I just want to learn to act in honor and not get screwed over anymore.

PAST contracts signed in ignorance are still valid.

You may discharge only PUBLIC DEBT you DID NOT asked for. Anything else is fraud.

I intend to pay. my intention was always to pay.

If you decide to BUY something, PAY for that something........is this complicated? :/

Have you RECEIVED the service? ....have you fucking BENEFIT from it?

Yes I have.

SO PAY YOU FUCKING TARD :/

Fuck off......I am out, no patience this morning :(

If you do not honour a contract, why should yours be honoured?

Where do you get all this patience, Scott Duncan? :(

I want to pay without joiner to legal tender.

Ok, just shut the fuck up, please ....just shut your stupid mouth :(

That wasn't the terms!

You may WANT to pay without joinder, but you signed a contract (AN AGREEMENT) that you says you CAN'T.

So I willl continue to pay them the way I have in the past. I'm trying to grasp what I read here.

Ever wonder why "personal" rates are always cheaper than Corporate Rates, EVERYWHERE?

Ok Jim Nicoll. You are in a circumstance which you BELIEVED to have known what you were doing. Now you are hit with the reality that you are WRONG. You can either defend your position, and get banned, OR actually find out why are you wrong, and what is the truth about this whole "discharge" of public debt.

Corporations are PERSONS too.

I can't defend my position because I am confused, so obviously I am wrong.

Why don't corporations have the same rates as you?

We will use the phone company as our example, and we will walk through it here, Jim Nicoll. Simply answer tho the best of your ability.

I haven't looked at teh differences in a long time. I haven't thought about it.

Well think about it now.

I know I was paying less when I got it through the company I worked for.

They were re-selling. That's not the same thing.

I don't know the answer to that. I would have to go find out why they get it cheaper.

They don't. They buy bulk licences that they sell to you.

Yes. It said that on the contract. They got it cheaper because they were getting it in bulk.

The carrier literally becomes AGENT for the corporation that bought the product from them. It's genius from a surety perspective :D

I just got teh agent thing from one of your posts I read the other day.

I you had a BUSINESS line, it will be nearly twice as much as the consumer's version. That's because the LIABILITY IS LIMITED.

And the consolidation fund thing. I understand why their is no gazillions in it that freedumbers can get.

That's a LIE, JIM!

I didn't connect the liability aspect.

You speak of the CONSOLIDATED REVENUE FUND, and it is a RECEIVER'S ACCOUNT.

And in fact, for PUBLIC DEBT, you can access as much as you need!

There are TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in accounts... but in NEGATIVE ACCOUNTING, it's ALL DEBT! :D That kind of money is DEBT!

Ask Pete Daoust :D

Money as debt talks about that. We don't want that.

LEGAL=SURETY and ACCOUNTING, but you didn't connect the liability aspect? What did you think "Ltd." at the end of corporate names, actually means?

Jim Nicoll, if you go to a cash machine to retrieve money, and your account balance is -$39,000.00... how much cash you believe you can get? :D

I didn't connect it because that was not my train of thought. I've only been learning this stuff the past few months. There is still so much for me to try and grasp.

The money in the account is money of account. what I take out is money of exchange.

I thought I was starting to understand all this, but I guess it is easier to read it that to articulate it.

But BOTH are DEBT money. It's all promises to pay at a later time, and it's all kept via accounting, credits and debits of the debt.

ETHER or DASH, on the other hand are CREDIT MONEY. There is no debt involved in that kind of money. You should get with the times, Jim Nicoll! :P

Fiat Money is DEBT IN TRANSIT. If you can buy good/services with it, it's MONEY OF EXCHANGE. The rest is MONEY OF ACCOUNT. MONEY OF EXCHANGE can buy MONEY OF ACCOUNT, but MONEY OF ACCOUNT cannot buy MONEY OF EXCHANGE. The ONLY thing MONEY OF ACCOUNT can buy, is MORE MONEY OF ACCOUNT.

It's all debt. I've already been familiarizing myself with alt coins. I have a measley 3000 doge and a few other coins. Didn't have the means until a few days ago to actually invest in some equipment to start mining. I have been cpu mining and it is a wste of time.

Learning about the blockchain technology it's not a waste of time. You think wrong, and value the wrong things! :P But, only if you want to, we can help here.

When you use a CREDIT CARD, you are CREATING MONEY OF ACCOUNT, and the merchant gets MONEY OF EXCHANGE from the TRUSTEE (The Credit Card Issuer). That's why the business is "Charged Back" when the cardholder defaults.

I'm taking the Nicosia course online to learn about teh blockchain.

I got that info from here and thought it would be a good idea to take the course.

By the way, they have now scholarships for a Masters in Crypto Currencies in U Nikosia.

As always, the BLOCKCHAIN is what matters, not the currency.

I understand that. It can't be the currency, because there are different currencies.

COMPETING currencies too! This is a VERY GOOD thing.

I was starting to invest in Dash, but there are conflicting opinions about whether one should invest.

Currencies are NOT investments.

CURRENCIES ARE NOT INVESTMENTS!

LOL!

See?

It's all your fault!

I don't mean it that way. I mean an investment of my time

CURRENCIES ARE NOT FUCKING INVESTMENT :P

Sorry for the confusion. I don't mean in teh monetary sense.

Yes you did. That's all the word INVESTMENT is for!

You don't need to pretend that you know around here. Because we can tell you do not. But that is fine. This is the right place to learn.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/investment

It can't be anything BUT a "monetary sense". You are trying to run before you even know how to crawl! You don't even know what the words you use mean.

I'm looking at it as in Pete's example of using it internally to handle payments. Not from making a profit.

I don't go down to your level. You come up to mine. Use your words properly.

FAIR WARNING: The phrase "You know what I mean" will get you banned.

It is monetary. But in the sense of a car. You buy it not for it's monetary value but because it gets you from point A to point B, if that makes sense.

That's not an investment.

ok. I will etch that in my brain.

If you make money from the car, it's an investment. Ask your accountant.

So I guess I have more words that I need to work on. It takes some thought having to figure out which meaning I should be using.

If the car makes money, LEASE it. you don't want to OWN it.

Jim Nicoll, since we navigate in a LEGAL world, ALL words have a LEGAL definition. Those are the ONLY definitions we are concerned about here. Look up EVERY word in a legal dictionary BEFORE you use words at random here.

As I said above. I have a list going. I've been jumping all over the place here trying to learn as quickly as possible. I know I need to focus more and learn one thing at a time, instead of trying to learn everything at once.

All LAWYER are LYING as soon as they open their mouth. They always act as if they are using "common" meanings of the words. You would be a perfect victim of one.

It is called LEGALESE, and it's a way for LAW SOCIETY, CHARTERED ACCOUNTS, and other parties in commerce, at plain sight, to conduct their "business" without the understanding of most. There are no synonyms, nor homonyms in "law".

It's not "learning" that's hard. As I've said, for three years, IF IT'S HARD, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

YOU are clinging to some precious "belief" and you don't even know what it is yet. All of you are (or were, in some notable cases).

I have been doing it wrong. That is why I now start taking breaks from reading the posts on here. I find taking breaks lets my mind relax. I find tidbits when I come back, that I missed earlier.

That's also why you NEVER CHANGE THE WORDS on LEGAL documents like NOTICE OF MISTAKE.

I have seen enough posts about people changing your words, that I know better.

I have the NOTICE OF ERROR etched in my brain.

:D

Lol :D

Oh man, SHOOT YOURSELF :D

Sorry I pissed you off Pete. I have gotten a lot from your posts. You clarify things that we newbies find hard to grasp.

What Jim means, is that he read about the guy that changed MISTAKE for ERROR. So, he knows now not the importance of not changing Scott's words.

Well... Since in the definition of mistake, it says error, then why use error.

Ok, stop now Jim Nicoll. Just stop. Read all Scott's articles at least 3 times each, and then come back here with the one or two questions you might have.....but STOP FOR NOW....

Yes... My brain is foggy from lack of sleep last night, but I have been catching a lot of the nuggets you put out.

One has SURETY, and the other does not.

I have a text file where I am putting my questions.

Hey Jim, now I want to go back to the original theme of this post... But PROMISE to limit to just anwer my quesions, ok?

ok

MISTAKE=NO SURETY/LIABILITY ERROR=Not so much.

I want him to shut the fuck up......just STOP

Know my Pain, Pete Daoust.

I endured a year of you, before you clued in :P

Yes, :/

He's been here...what, 72 hours? Really?

Maybe I am too tough on him :/

Not too tough. I have to learn.

Ok, Anibal Jose Baez, play with him.....I am going for a nap :D

It's not fabricated hostile stupidity like Dan Lien-Your-Name Wilson, or Sewer Ellie. This guy just didn't know.

Yes :/

You don't go all Scott Duncan on their asses until they know first. THEN there is intent.

Jim Nicoll, you came here, and wrote a post about wanting to dischage a Bell debt. You had a exchange with Scott, and a few of us. You found out that you are wrong. After this exchange, do you know what was wrong, and it why was wrong what you were trying to do? I am really interested to know if you have learned anything here.

Sorry Jim Nicoll, you can be as stupid as you need..... Anibal Jose Baez accepted surety for it. :/

I haven't had time to think about it. The post went in a different direction. I'm trying to process it now.

Read the whole group history knowing you are running a program.

I come from the people who put it there.

First I was wrong in trying to play games instead of dealing with my responsibility

You need a licence to play those games.

I just learned that even though a company is traded publicly, that doesn't automatically make it a public company.

Jim Nicoll, with the information we shared here, try to see what was exactly wrong with what you were trying to do. Then place your thoughts here. There is no hurry. Take ALL the time you need. If you come back with your answers (even is they are retarded), or even no answers because you honestly do not know, I promise I will explain to you what I see.

Thank you. I will need a bit of time to go back over this post.

We are not going anywhere soon. Take your time.

And in the meantime, shut the fuck up. :D

If you can catch on the fact that when you decide to BUY something, you have to PAY for that something, this would help me a lot with my very short fuse on stupidity. Peace Pete. :/

If your intents is not to BUY, you won't even have to THINK about PAYING :D Ask Hydro-Quebec, they'll tell you!! :D ....oh, and City of Terrebonne too, I am sure they must have caught on about it now :/

This was my thought process. I have asked for services, and I have always paid. If I buy something, I pay for it. I did not know that I was buying back debt until I read it on TTFL I don't have to buy back debt if I don't want to. I have the option to buy back the debt or discharge it. I am not yet ready to start discharging debts, but wanted to prepare by having Bell send me bills instead of paying online. My intention is to pay, I was just offended that they sent a "copy" instead of sending a bill, and I started thinking the wrong things. I posted my thoughts here in order to have constructive feedback, because I wasn't thinking clearly and I didn't want to do something stupid. From Pete's example with hydro. Pete has the option to buy back the debt and let hydro have the remittance or he can discharge the debt as authorized administrator for PIERRE DAOUST. 9111-1111 can buy the debt. They are asking me to buy this debt. I don't want to buy this debt. This debt was sent to my person. Since I haven't had the means to get my notices sent out, my plan was to get proper bills/invoices and continue to pay until I am able to discharge. My goal is to be prepared for when I do start taking charge. This was my thought process. I now have the means to get the notices done, as well as creating a corporation. I do understand that if I buy something I must pay, and that if I choose not to buy something, I don't have to pay. I have to process the words I use and choose them carefully. I'm still stuck on the common meaning most of the time. I got this far then had to run out for a bit. I thought I was understanding what I was reading, but not so sure now. It is my persons account, so my person is the one receiving the benefit. I just have use of it. I am not a person, I have a person, and as the administrator, I am supposed to be able to use the security of the person to settle things. I know I have to notify the government and Bank of Canada about using the security of the person and asking if I am correct. When I get an invoice I turn the remittance part into a BOE, endorse it and send instructions stating that it is a BOE and where to send it in order to have it discharged. using legal tender is paying debt with debt I think I complicated things here by not being clear in my intentions and using the wrong words. I thought everything about credit cards was money of account. I didn't know the merchant's got money of exchange. I know both money of account and money of exchange are debt. I knew money of exchange can get you money of account, but I didn't know money of account can't get you money of exchange. So that one has my brain going trying to figure out why that is. My brain is fried... Sitting here thinking isn't bringing up anything different. I'm missing something and it's right in front of me, but I don't see it.

Ok Jim Nicoll, let me tell you that you have a mess in your head. You have some information correct, but most incorrect, because of a faulty thought process. As you mentioned at the end of your comment, you don't see it. But here is the place to learn. Can I ask you complete ERASE anything you BELIEVE to know about .law/money? Can you start from scratch? :/

It's a yes or no answer.

I know you are probably tired, and I have to go soon, but we can start, and come back tomorrow, and continue.

I don't think you know what PUBLIC means LEGALLY.

PUBLIC=GOVERNMENT PROPERTY.

PUBLIC=GOVERNMENT.

PUBLIC DEBT = GOVERNEMENT PROPERTY :D

Jim Nicoll, do you accept my offer, or not? :/

I left after I posted. I needed to get off the computer. The answer is yes, I want to erase what I thought was right. I do accept your offer Anibal, thank you I have to work on some things for tomorrow, so I am staying offline for the day. I think I will even shut down facebook and come back tomorrow and make a fresh start.

Remember Pete and Anibal; If they don't know any better, their intent is not hostile. This is the hardest and most annoying part. There is no INTENT. They cannot be blamed. Those that are lying about me, DO know better. Redirect your annoyance at poor Mr. Nicoll, to something that deserves the contempt you feel, because THEY are why Mr. Nicoll even exists in his current mindset. This isn't Sewer Ellie, or the Piece-of-Shit Christians. Don't harm the victims, no matter how right you are to feel contempt. They don't know any better, and it's probably cruel for them to know anything else, but I don't really care. I DO know something else, and I have lived my live there. It's dying and needs fresh minds to bring it back to life. I'm going to show you how to bring the whole corrupt mess down, and then I will show you how to build what you are looking for. Didn't you know? I have THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING. :D True Story! :D Anyway, TL;DR: Ignorance is not hostility. TRY not to beat up the ignorant. I REALLY know what you are feeling... you have all made me feel it at one time or another.

Note I said TRY... because I totally get what you are feeling. Really.

Yes.

Greg Hopkins, are you a Piece-of-Shit Christian?

How did this one slip by?

Judging by his wall, YES!

And some Quantum Woodfuckery on the side too!

He is into legal definitions... but from 1893. With a time machine, he can go back, and really "do some damage"! :D

Jesus tricked us?? Hahaha!

He's now gone....

Greg Hopkins, what is your imaginary friend telling you "in your heart," that you should stay in this group without reading the about section (terms and conditions), or leave the group?

He is not here anymore :P

Maybe God will get his kid out of jail

:/

When will people realize that Zombie Rape-Baby-on-a-stick is the cause if their current ignorance? You don't get to pick and choose your "belief" when you are seeking the truth. If you believe that Zombie Rape-Baby-on-a-stick is real, then you are NOT seeking truth and have NO business being here.

Pete Daoust, how did you let a Stealth Piece-of-Shit Christian in?

Scott: Your comment about me running before learning to walk is quite accurate. I have been trying to play catch up. I read and read and read, but I don't stop and take the time to absorb what I'm reading, so it ends up being time wasted. Hopefully Anibal, you can help me slow down and focus on one thing at a time. Since I am starting from the beginning again, I should go back to Scott's articles, but this time, read only one at a time and then reread it.

Jim Nicoll, do you know Martin Sutton ?

I recognize his face. I don't know if I ever spoke with him.

So you wanted to avoid paying a Bell debt. You have Martin Sutton on your facebook friendlist. You want to fully cooperate in here, you don't seems to be mad at all. You're ready to flush everything you've learned and start from scratch. You are a very special kind of fucktard from what I have seen so far :D I was mad when I joined the Tender for Law and was looking for answers. I was the most ignorant/fucktard in here. I am having a hard time believing you want to invest all this time for a Bell debt :D Sorry, I suspect you being a something else than a fucktard :P

If Martin is on my friends list, he is from legal deception. I added a couple people from there, then I stopped because they all think I have answers, when I don't. I used to be very mad, but being mad doesn't help me. I never said I didn't want to pay a debt. I was pissed that they didn't send me a proper bill when I asked. This is not about a Bell debt. I spoke with Bell again today and they would send a proper bill.

Oh good ole Legal Deception group. I started my journey there. WOW is all I can say! Glad I did not take their words for TRUTH and kept searching and found Chris in that search.

I haven't done any of their stuff. It was just another stepping stone in getting new info.

I think Jim wants to learn, and those are his intentions now.

I have Derek Moran in my friends list, but I have not spoken with him. I had planned to, but after what I saw Scott say to him in the posts, I figured he was not the one I should be seeking answers from.

I got here for all the wrong reasons.

I do want to learn. I'm not good with interacting with people though.

What do you want to learn?

I want to learn how to properly interact with system without being a slave.

I see successes and I see failures. It's confusing as to what is best to do. continue to fight or give in.

We can only offer to tell you the truth here. :/ If that is acceptable, you can learn a lot here.

Pete puts a lot of his stuff on here, and he's not hiding anything. Some of the things I've read I can see. Other things take some thought to understand.

No.

If it's hard then you are doing it wrong.

I was doing it wrong, because some of it I made hard. That is why my brain was hurting.

You are also PROGRAMMED

I've had a couple aha moments. But there are many more ahead.

When I put words in CAPS, look them up, especially if you think you know what the word means.

I'm tired of being frustrated.

I started my word list. I'm putting them in Onenote for easy reference.

I just added PROGRAMMED I think I should look that one up too.

Yes you should. (Spoiler: A pre-determined set of events)

It took a while, but I'm starting to catch on to the spoilers. They were like a riddle at first. I didn't know what I was supposed to look for.

Ok, let me explain something to you, Jim Nicoll. All money is DEBT IN TRANSIT. So there is no magical accounts with cash waiting to be retrieved. It's all DEBTS, in negative accounting. You can either BUY debts (by PAYING), OR DISCHARGE them using the surety of your person. The question is: how do you know which debts you MUST pay, and which ones you may DISCHARGE? You have private debts, and public debts. All debts. A private debt is, for example, a credit card, a loan or mortgage to a bank, or a cell phone service. For those you VOLUNTARILY ASKED FOR THEM, and signed a contract PROMISING you would PAY. NOT discharge! And your SIGNATURE it's PROOF of CONSENT, and UNDERSTANDING. A public debt you DID NOT asked for it. Those are debts like income taxes, criminal charges, property taxes, etc. Those debts are IMPOSED on your person. You did not asked for taxes, that was imposed via legislation. You did not asked to get charged with "resisting arrest." A cop (THE PUBLIC) did. See how it is? It is ONLY PUBLIC DEBT that you may DISCHARGE using the surety of your person. You read that? ONLY PUBLIC DEBT. BUT... there is a catch! By ignorance, we can BELIEVE that the only way to deal with this public debt is by PAYING. Some AGENCY sends YOU some paper saying your person owes a debt, and then by IGNORANCE you go and GIVE your SIGNATURE in that paper as PROOF of CONSENT, and UNDERSTANDING that NOW YOU are going to be the responsible party for that debt. If you give your signature, you NO LONGER can discharge that debt, because you PROMISED to PAY for it. Was that clear, Jim Nicoll?

That is the reason you cannot DISCHARGE your Bell debt, it's a private debt that you must PAY, because you SIGNED and PROMISED to PAY, and you must ALWAYS keep your promises. I hope that helps a bit.

Just to make sure, I am going to read it quite a few times. I was definitely missing the difference between private and public.

I can see Pete's point now. I definitely don't want to avoid paying. I can see why you said most of what I was thinking was wrong. Better to find out here.

That didn't help a bit... It helped a LOT. Thank you.

And you were missing that if you GIVE your SIGNATURE as PROMISE to PAY a PUBLIC DEBT, you are stuck, and must pay. YOUR SIGNATURE = SURETY for a DEBT

Many "freedumbers" BELIEVE there is 'free" shit waiting to be taken. There is not. There is only debts, and promises to pay for them, public or private. That's it.

That was an aha moment when Scott mentioned the receivers account a few days ago. It is debt, and the freedumbers think it's money.

Yes, there is ONLY DEBTS!

One thing that confuses me. money of exchange can buy money of account. money of account can buy other money of account. Money of account can't buy money of exchange, so how do you get money of exchange?

Ok, first, do you know what are those, and the difference between them?

Are you in Montreal, Jim?

Money of account is just accounting. And money of exchange is what you have in your pocket.

I'm just south in Chateauguay.

No.

Remember, MONEY means LEGAL. And LEGAL is SURETY and ACCOUNTING. It's ALL about the MONEY. This is not the definition of money of exchange and money of account, rather a simple explanation of their mechanics. MONEY OF EXCHANGE, is money you have the BENEFIT of using WITHOUT being SURETY for the it. For example, a $20 dollar bill. Your signature is NOT on it, right? MONEY OF ACCOUNT is money you have the benefit of using, but YOU ARE SURETY for it. Like a CHECK, or a CREDIT CARD, you must SING to use, so YOU become SURETY for that money.

Did you get that? Everybody get that?

So using money of exchange, I am not surety, but by using it, I am bound by acts and statutes?

signature=surety

<<So using money of exchange, I am not surety, but by using it, I am bound by acts and statutes?>> Yes! BOTH forms of money are LEGAL TENDER. They bound the user to the rules. But with money of exchange, you are just not SURETY for the NOTE/BILL/MONEY. For the other kind, you ARE surety if that check bounces. Rules still apply. Is that clear?

It is now. Man... there is more to learn than I thought.

If it's complicated, you are doing it wrong. Look how if you ALWAYS think SURETY and ACCOUNTING first, when dealing with LEGAL, you can focus in what matters.

I am going to focus a lot more on surety and accounting. They are the most important things I need to learn.

I told you if you accepted my offer, there is a lot to learn. Be sure to read. There is 4 years of awesomeness in this group, shared by Scott.

The guy's goal is "how to interact with the goberment", and he's in Quebec :D Were you born in Quebec, Jim? :)

I know... but I spent a lot of time reading TTFL the past 4 months.

I was born here. Then I went to Ontario and was there for 20 years.

ALWAYS FOCUS in SURETY, and ACCOUNTING when dealing in LEGAL. Remember, it's all DEBTS (ACCOUNTING), and who accounts for that debt SURETY (the responsible party for those debts). That is all "law" you want to focus on.

Do you have one of those CERTIFICATE, with the fleur de lys logo on it?

Do you want to learn something else really cool, Jim Nicoll?

I don't know where my original is, but the new one I have I got 3 years ago. It is not like the original.

I'm always looking to learn something new.

The only thing I remember about the original was the big red seal on it.

Do you have one of those CERTIFICATE, with the fleur de lys logo on it?

Only as a watermark. not printed in ink

Do you have one of those CERTIFICATE, with the fleur de lys logo on it?

Do you know how SURETY, and ACCOUNTING, relate to your person, when dealing with government/Law Society? :D

Spoilers: LAW OF AGENCY!

I was given a certificate, but it is not mine.