The Tender For Law

Volume 13

Mar 15, 2016 9:52 PM

Harry Wombat

A notary public/commissioner of affidavits thread.

I suspect that a number of you are having difficulty getting documents notarized. I know I am.

I recall (hopefully correctly - i can't find the thread) Scott saying something to the effect that a corporation can appoint a notary if it does business between provinces. I haven't had much success figuring out how to get that title recognized, or exactly how I/we would go about establishing a notary public within a corporation. I do have some ideas, but, they are on shaky unsure ground.

I am hoping that within this thread we can clear some, if not all of this up.

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I have been researching (with my chimp brain) to figure some of this out. This was interesting:

"Effective December 31, 2012, the Commissioners and Other Persons Who May Take Affidavits regulation will replace the current statutory designations of commissioners for taking affidavits by virtue of office. Commissioners by virtue of office may take affidavits without applying to the Ministry of the Attorney General for a commissioner appointment."

Hmmm. So if I have a "COMMISSION by VIRTUE of OFFICE, I can "take" affidavits.

That lead me back to Black's Law Dictionary and it's definition of commission. The word reminds me of Scott and his navy and commissioning officers. Here's what Black's Law says about COMMISSION:

commission, n. (l4c) 1. A warrant or authority, from the government or a court, that empowers the person named to execute official acts <the student received his commission to the U.S. Navy after graduation>. 2. The authority under which a person transacts business for another <the client gave her attorney express commission to sign the contract>. 3. A body of persons acting under lawful authority to perform certain public services <the Federal Communications Com�mission>.

#2 above seems like the appropriate path to resolve this affidavit business, but I am still somewhat unsure.

Here's my thoughts so far:

1) My corporation has the AUTHORITY to create an office and to appoint someone to that office.

2) My corporation can grant the AUTHORITY for that person to "take" affidavits.

3) Although a SEAL is not required, it is preferred.

Having said that, i know, from being here that there are no homonyms or synonyms in law and that a commissioner for taking affidavits is not the same as a notary public. Yet, I wonder if they have the same effect, at least for my/our purposes (taking affidavits).

Commissioner for Taking Affidavits and Non-Lawyer Notary Public Appointments

attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca

The Ministry of the Attorney General processes applications for members of the public (who are not lawyers) who wish to be appointed commissioners for taking affidavits or non-lawyer notaries public in Ontario.

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Harry Wombat

Despite this: "Commissioners by virtue of office may take affidavits without applying to the Ministry of the Attorney General for a commissioner appointment."...the Attorney General's office has these forms to fill out:

Application Forms and Information Guides

Commissioner for Taking Affidavits:

General Application Form available in PDF or HTML Student-at-Law/Law Student Application Form available in PDF or HTML Renewal Guide available in PDF or HTML Guide for Newly Appointed Commissioners for Taking Affidavits in PDF

But fuck their forms. lol ( a little play on words). :)

Harry Wombat

Under frequently asked questions:

The new regulation: .....

Incrementally expands existing categories of officeholders to INCLUDE (my caps):

All Ontario judges, court clerks, and registrars Licensed paralegals (as of July 1, 2013) Certain municipal officials

Harry Wombat

Are the 3 citizens SURETY, at least until they remove that presumption, for the documents they notarize?

Here I'm thinking about Sino being held as surety - which is a reference that is a bit like trying to find the similarities/differences between apples and oranges.

I don't want to encourage friends to ACT as a NOTARY if they are going to potentially find themselves charged like Sino was.

Any extra precautions/steps they/I should take?

Should I/they give a NOTICE first to the Attorney General, that they will collectively ACT as a Notary and give him x days to respond?