No...NO...NO....hang on....I screwed this up....

On a July Water Bill, the balance forward was 807.20, the current charges were 190.73 and the interest was 57.61. It seems (the math works out) that the 807.20 and the 57.61 were paid, but the 190.73 was carried forward. The total of this bill was 1055.54. This doesn't make sense, unless this trustee was keeping a balance in their Accounts Receivable or something.

But, if you carry this 190.73 forward, add the charges from the Oct invoice of 142.75 and the interest on the Oct invoice of 87.45, it gives exactly the balance forward on the January invoice of 433.48.

The HOLDER of the BILL ALWAYS has surety. If there is no signature, it is NOT a BILL, nor is it an INVOICE. It is a STATEMENT of the ACCOUNT (Notice). You CONSENTED to be SURETY for that ACCOUNT when you APPLIED (Begged and signed) for hydro. Legally all they must do is give NOTICE by way of STATEMENT If it has a signature on it, it is a BILL. If it has an ENDORSEMENT (Second Signature) it is a BILL OF EXCHANGE. The TRUSTEE is the corporation you got the BILL from. ALL BILLS HAVE TRUSTEES. There. Everything you need. Start there.

What's the difference between this case and the time I dealt with my bin/trash collector? Dunno if you remember, PANDA was the company name. I set up an account over the phone and after a while they introduced a new charge which in response I sent a notice of mistake followed by a completed bill of exchange... Which they returned, so payment refused etc... I remember you saying that waste collection is the municipality's responsibility (or something similar)... How, as the holder of the bill, am I not surety in that instance? They've been looking for the account to be settled for quite some time now yet the service has not been stopped...

I always send intrustions and consideration with these Bill of Exchange, that's why I can call them "Bill of Exchange", it's says so in the inscructions :/ They also have the instructions on what to do with those, if they would decide to REFUSE them. Just send them back and I PROMISE I WILL "PAY" :/

They ALL keeping them :/

The only time I didn�t send instructions, was with CRA (Canadian Revenu Agency). Because I am in Quebec :P So they�ve called me, and I gave instructions on the phone. (recorded of course) This is what I have told them: �You need to PRESENT that Bill of Exchange to the PAYMENT, which is Bank of Canada� She said: OK, I�ll contact you if I need more information :D �.. and that was last july

" I always send intrustions and consideration with these Bill of Exchange..." the instructions I get but what exactly is the CONSIDERATION Pete?

I'm in the process of notifying irish water for a second time I'm the sole authorised administrator. I've also notified the central bank of ireland that I will no longer buy back public debts. I suspect irish water will come back again stating that I owe x amount and I will notice them for a third time that I am using the surety of the person I possess. Once completed I will send the completed bill of exchange to the central bank of ireland and send another copy of the completed bill to irish water....

It's not your job to PRESENT the Bill to the payment :/

That's right, The BILL OF EXCHANGE is PRESENTed to the Bank of Canda, for example, by whomever ACCEPTS it

By whoever HOLDs it.....and when it is sent to the beneficiary registered mail, this party HOLDs it, so his two choices are: 1). Refuse it and send it back 2). present it to the payment

If they don't REFUSE and/or PRESENT....well, here it goes :P Public servant refusing to deliver property 337 Every one who, being or having been employed in the service of Her Majesty in right of Canada or a province, or in the service of a municipality, and entrusted by virtue of that employment with the receipt, custody, management or control of anything, refuses or fails to deliver it to a person who is authorized to demand it and does demand it is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years. R.S., c. C-34, s. 297. Taking possession, etc., of drift timber 339 (1) Every one is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years who, without the consent of the owner, (a) fraudulently takes, holds, keeps in his possession, conceals, receives, appropriates, purchases or sells, (b) removes, alters, obliterates or defaces a mark or number on, or (c) refuses to deliver up to the owner or to the person in charge thereof on behalf of the owner or to a person authorized by the owner to receive it, Destroying documents of title 340 Every one who, for a fraudulent purpose, destroys, cancels, conceals or obliterates (a) a document of title to goods or lands, (b) a valuable security or testamentary instrument, or (c) a judicial or official document, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years. R.S., c. C-34, s. 300. Fraudulent concealment 341 Every one who, for a fraudulent purpose, takes, obtains, removes or conceals anything is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years. R.S., c. C-34, s. 301. :P

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THIS IS GOLD so I must ask...did you read the entire CRIMINAL Code Pete ? :/

Morpions :D

HA ha ha!

....sorry for taking so long posting the evidence here. We got a surprise 10" snowstorm. For those of you who don't plow snow, it's like surprise buttsex.

Nope...I don't know about buttsex but thanks for the advice :P

I hate surprise storms....I really do. 24 hour notice that you are about to get fucked. ughhh

Still better than a COURTESY :P

Competed Bill of Exchange on its way, registered mail, to Irish Water with CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND stamp and SEE BACK FOR ENDORSEMENT stamp on front of PAYMENT SLIP and Administrators stamp with signiture and Bill of Exchange Act 1882 on the back. I've also included a notarised birth certificate and INSTRUCTIONS on what to do with the completed Bill of Exchange and who to PRESENT it too. I have also notified the Central Bank of Ireland I will no longer be buying back public debt created for the person I possess etc.

The birth certificate is CONSIDERATION.

Keep us posted

I will

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Mr. foley (lower case for some reason) received an acknowledgement from the Central Bank of Ireland in response to a letter I sent to the Governor. They also sent it to The Administrators Office and it was signed. Does this now mean they accept me as the Administrator of the legal person i possess and the Central Bank will discharge all public debts PRESENTED to them on BARTHOLOMEW's behalf?

Ask them :P I'm not them

I can TRY to be them, but it hurts to dumb myself down that much.

Yes I will ?

You aren't in Canada. Saying "Scott Duncan says hi" will just confuse them... ...just sayin' :/

Haha, they ll know soon enough ?

Scott Duncan When you have an account statement, you use the remittance slip only to turn it into a bill of exchange? When you have a bill you can use anywhere on the reverse side?

No.

You do not damage their stuff...

So you do not write on the remittance slip, EVER?

The remittance is instructions for them on how to pay...

On Bart's photo he posted, should he have wrote in the blank space, between the remittance and total charges?

Once the 3 parties are named on the front you accept the bill on the reverse and instruct them to present it to the Drawee (Bank) for payment...

I did it with Panda waste and they sent it back... Payment refused is debt discharged. The service has never stopped...

As far as I remember Eamonn you didn't write in the remittance area, did you?

No, I qualified the parties on the front and stuck a blank page on the reverse with instructions...

Why the separate page on the reverse if the reverse side was blank. Because you do not damage their stuff?

Cos the reverse had all the payment methods etc... I remembered Scott telling Suil Eile (Mick) to do the same and it would create legal money...

That's the last time I sent a BOE. I'm a bit rusty with regards giving info on it. Pete is prob the man to be talking to... I don't know if I used the right words on it. I think you're supposed to DEMAND it be presented to the Bank...

Is Eamonn correct with regards to attaching a blank page on the reverse for instructions Pete?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP5fiuJsE5o

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New PPSA website. They called me this morning to let me know :D http://www.easyppsa.com/easy/index.jsp

I've been busy, but here is the Water Statements I've got and returned.

If you look, you will see that if you consider the July 2015 Principle and Interest settled, then the Water plus Sewer charges on the July 2015 Statement plus the Water plus Sewer charges on the Oct 2015 equal the balance carried forward on the January Statement.

Why the July 2015 Principle and Interest was discharged and not the Water and Sewer charges, I am not sure. I would think it was how the trustee chose to do its accounting really....

`Murrikhun `counting.

The only information I redacted was the BC registration number, the address, and the Social Security number

There was a shut off notice sent, which I had a brief email communication with Mr morfis about....

HAHAHAHA!!! :D

Here it is:

Oh...and the only information you guys don't have here, is I DID NOT SEND ANYTHING ELSE....no check, no money order, nothing. NO ONE DID!!!!

Oh, the Oct Statement was not completed and sent back because I suspected fraud.

Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act, 2001. Suppression, etc., of documents. 11.�(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he or she dishonestly, with the intention of making a gain for himself or herself or another, or of causing loss to another, destroys, defaces or conceals any valuable security, any will or other testamentary document or any original document of or belonging to, or filed or deposited in, any court or any government department or office. (2) (a) A person who dishonestly, with the intention of making a gain for himself or herself or another, or of causing loss to another, by any deception procures the execution of a valuable security is guilty of an offence. (b) Paragraph (a) shall apply in relation to� (i) the making, acceptance, endorsement, alteration, cancellation or destruction in whole or in part of a valuable security, and (ii) the signing or sealing of any paper or other material in order that it may be made or converted into, or used or dealt with as, a valuable security, as if that were the execution of a valuable security. (3) In this section, �valuable security� means any document� (a) creating, transferring, surrendering or releasing any right to, in or over property, (b) authorising the payment of money or delivery of any property, or (c) evidencing the creation, transfer, surrender or release of any such right, the payment of money or delivery of any property or the satisfaction of any obligation. (4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or both.

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I think I ll start including this Colm with all my notices. See how they like them apples

And Scott Duncan says hi