The Tender For Law

Volume 11

Jul 15, 2015 12:59 PM

Eamonn O Brien

People may or may not remember my court appearance last December over a speeding fine. I argued with the man in the robe and eventually left the court after responding to being called "YOU" a few times...

The court then issued a fine for x amount. I ignored their letters until a collection company then started issuing letters. I replied to them with a notice of mistake. They replied with a stock response so I sent another letter outlining my questions again and telling them I simply wanted some clarification regarding the matter.

I also added that if they didn't respond within 5 days legal accord & satisfaction would be established.

They didn't respond so I sent a final notice notifying them that legal accord and satisfaction had been established and that the matter was considered closed.

Today a warrant was received issued by the court for the amount.

Have I no choice but to pay this to avoid prison (probably in the front door and out the back) or is the fact that I asked questions and received no response grounds for me to object to the warrant?

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Anibal Jose Baez

I have a few things in mind, but if at this point you do not know what is happening, maybe it's better you "pay", and learn before you do anything. In the meantime, stop breaking the traffic codes, that definitively helps!

Anibal Jose Baez

That is why I say, from the looks, that "YOU" have been deemed to be surety, and owe that debt. "YOU" will go to jail if do not "pay" soon. Maybe it's better to "pay" and re-group. It's a fucking traffic ticket, it's not a criminal matter! :/

Anibal Jose Baez

Ok Eamonn, let's assume Pete is "legally" correct, and that perhaps you may deal with it in other ways other than "paying." In the meantime the "legal" bureaucracy issues an arrest warrant for EAMONN O BRIEN, which has already APPEARED, and IDENTIFIED as such in the public record. Are you willing to risk a kidnapping/arrest while the "legal" benevolent bureaucracy honors your bill of exchange?

I am just curious onto why folks can go over such extreme risk, just for a traffic ticket. :/

Anibal Jose Baez

But you did sign the drivers license, and you did commit the "offense." :/ Then you went to court, and answered to "YOU." Then ignored all letters from the court, then it went in to collections. You sent a bill of exchange, but did not follow thru. Now they are about to issue an arrest warrant if someone does not settle the accounting.

Pete Daoust is correct that you must demand the money you sent them, if they refused it. If you have send payment, they either can accept it, or refuse it. And you must always say you want to pay. Pete is correct.

My concern goes more with the corruption of the courts, and the fact they are not following their own laws. The "truth" does not matter in those places.

What if while you are asking for the bill of exchange (however long it takes) an arrest warrant is issued, and you get kidnapped? You will still be "right," but with a record, and in jail. How will that impact your life? Worth 250�?

Now, maybe you may conditionally send payment and settle the bill, conditioned that, if the money sent was refused it must be sent back. If they do not sent back the bill of exchange in certain amount of time, then you will bill them for the 250�. That way you avoid possible jail time, while still reserving the right to collect for a fraudulent debt paid.

If I am wrong, please someone come tell me. I am just astound at the amount of stress, and danger some folks will go for petty things, like traffic tickets. It hurts to see folks go to jail for 250�, that haven't even committed a real crime. :/

Anibal Jose Baez

It's definitively NOT about being docile. If your life depends on it, fight for your life! Break a leg! But this is a traffic ticket, and you started doing this "process" being not sure about it, and things are happening, and you still are not sure why. Is knowing when to pick your battles.

Of course you must ask for that money back, if it was refused. Of course you must not cease asking questions. But I have learned to pick my battles, and it has served me well.

I have something very clear, I am NOT Scott Duncan. This is a slavery plantation, and I want to live as much as possible. I can't be acting like a freedumber, speeding, and then fighting for my life for a traffic ticket.

David-Paul Sip

"My concern goes more with the corruption of the courts, and the fact they are not following their own laws. The "truth" does not matter in those places."

This point ^^^^ cuts to the heart of the matter. It's all surety and accounting and you are either HIM or you are not. They only ssem to be willing to accept that you are HIM. Being his agent or Sole Authorized Administrator leads the justice to commit fraud and convict in the PERSON's absence and/or quote Meads vs Meads to justify their own fraud.

David-Paul Sip

I have thought about precisley what Anibal is writing and yet their behaviour and fraud prevents me from complying and/or acquiescing and/or bending over for my rapist and IDENTIFYing myself as SURETY for something they created.

Pete Daoust

Oh, and by the way, traffic tickets are debts created by the PUBLIC.

It�s a public debt, just the fact that they are budgeting these a year in advance, prove that these are PUBLIC DEBTS.

Budgetting $20 millions of traffic tickets, before giving these tickets, is a FRAUD.

How in the fuck can they decide a year in advance on HOW many offenses folks will do ?

This is a fucking scam�..and here, we also have proofs that these cops have QUOTAS to meet�.

:P

Eamonn O Brien

The completed bill was for the original 80� fine. The 250� was charged for non payment of the original fine... I didn't argue that in court I just repeatedly told them I was not EAMONN O BRIEN.

Anibal, when a letter is sent seeking money from me where no injured party exists, whether it be 1 Euro or 1 million, I will fight it. Fuck them...