I don�t even know why you went to court, over a traffic ticket. Why not just send them MONEY, that�s what they want anyway, LEGAL MONEY :P

A Bill of Exchange IS "LEGAL MONEY" :D

I did Pete.

I have a few things in mind, but if at this point you do not know what is happening, maybe it's better you "pay", and learn before you do anything. In the meantime, stop breaking the traffic codes, that definitively helps!

Ok, you did sent a Bill of Exchange, Eamonn O Brien ?

You signed the drivers license. You already went to court (not a wise move, much less for a traffic ticket), and responded to "YOU." :/

Have you sent them a Bill of Exchange, Eamonn O Brien ? :/

Yes... Summons came afterwards... Went to court and judgment was made against EAMONN O BRIEN for 250�.

That is why I say, from the looks, that "YOU" have been deemed to be surety, and owe that debt. "YOU" will go to jail if do not "pay" soon. Maybe it's better to "pay" and re-group. It's a fucking traffic ticket, it's not a criminal matter! :/

Why let it turn into a criminal matter, when you know it's not necessary? Hey, maybe I am wrong, but that's just me.

Ok, well, I really don't understand WHY you went to court, but that's not a big deal.... Now, WHERE is that Bill of Exchange ?

I don't know.

Well, you have to ask for it, if they refuse it. Tell them ONLY this (Nothing Else) GIVE ME BACK THE LEGAL MONEY I HAVE SENT YOU IF YOU REFUSE IT, AND I WILL PAY

They are HOLDING a VALUE, as we speak, and they seems to REFUSE it, right ? :/

I'll send a letter tomorrow demanding the return of the completed bill of exchange...

I know who I sent it to so I can only presume he still has it...

Dear whoever, You seems to refuse the legal money sent to you in form of a Bill of Exchange. If it's the case, please send back this money to me, AND I WILL PAY. thanks Blablabla....

You don't PRESUME he has it, you KNOW he does, it's a fucking FACT, no ?

Come on guys, fuck.... :(

You've sent it REGISTERED MAIL ?

Yes. Bout a year ago...

I have copies of all the paperwork

Who cares if it's a year ago ? Have you verified the delivery ?

Yes.

Ok, so why do you PRESUME he has it ? :/

Just my terminology. He could have wiped his ass with it... Factually though, yes he has it.

Ok Eamonn, let's assume Pete is "legally" correct, and that perhaps you may deal with it in other ways other than "paying." In the meantime the "legal" bureaucracy issues an arrest warrant for EAMONN O BRIEN, which has already APPEARED, and IDENTIFIED as such in the public record. Are you willing to risk a kidnapping/arrest while the "legal" benevolent bureaucracy honors your bill of exchange? I am just curious onto why folks can go over such extreme risk, just for a traffic ticket. :/

Ok...is there an act in your country that says a Bill of Exchange "IS" money ?

Wouldn't my appearance in court, as Anibal is pointing out, render the bill useless as I accepted surety?

Fuck me... :/

It's not the fact that it's "just a traffic ticket", it's 250� that could be spent on somethin worth a fuck...

Ok... maybe you deserve all the benefits that come with fighting for those 250�! :D

Ok, FOCUS.....forget everything else... They have MONEY in their hands, they seems to REFUSE it, ask them to give it back to you if, indeed, they are refusing it, and PAY. Fuck the rest......seriously :/

Keeps the lights on it the house Anibal...

It's that SIMPLE

I'll do that Pete...

If they offer PHOTOCOPY of that BoE you've sent, well make PHOTOCOPY of these fucking Euro, and give it to them

You have to yell out loud.... I WANT TO PAY, I WANT TO PAY, just give me this BoE back (the original) and I PROMISE I WILL PAY.

But you did sign the drivers license, and you did commit the "offense." :/ Then you went to court, and answered to "YOU." Then ignored all letters from the court, then it went in to collections. You sent a bill of exchange, but did not follow thru. Now they are about to issue an arrest warrant if someone does not settle the accounting. Pete Daoust is correct that you must demand the money you sent them, if they refused it. If you have send payment, they either can accept it, or refuse it. And you must always say you want to pay. Pete is correct. My concern goes more with the corruption of the courts, and the fact they are not following their own laws. The "truth" does not matter in those places. What if while you are asking for the bill of exchange (however long it takes) an arrest warrant is issued, and you get kidnapped? You will still be "right," but with a record, and in jail. How will that impact your life? Worth 250�? Now, maybe you may conditionally send payment and settle the bill, conditioned that, if the money sent was refused it must be sent back. If they do not sent back the bill of exchange in certain amount of time, then you will bill them for the 250�. That way you avoid possible jail time, while still reserving the right to collect for a fraudulent debt paid. If I am wrong, please someone come tell me. I am just astound at the amount of stress, and danger some folks will go for petty things, like traffic tickets. It hurts to see folks go to jail for 250�, that haven't even committed a real crime. :/

Yep, that's exactly their goal, Anibal Jose Baez. Scare the shit out of you, so you can be a docile slave.

But Eamonn is Irish, not Spic :D

Please refressh my memory Eamonn...is this the same matter where some "JUSTICE" DEEMed the PERSON to have not appeared and entered a CONVICTION in EAMON O BRIAN's absence?

It's definitively NOT about being docile. If your life depends on it, fight for your life! Break a leg! But this is a traffic ticket, and you started doing this "process" being not sure about it, and things are happening, and you still are not sure why. Is knowing when to pick your battles. Of course you must ask for that money back, if it was refused. Of course you must not cease asking questions. But I have learned to pick my battles, and it has served me well. I have something very clear, I am NOT Scott Duncan. This is a slavery plantation, and I want to live as much as possible. I can't be acting like a freedumber, speeding, and then fighting for my life for a traffic ticket.

LOL :D Hey, he PROMISE he will pay, if they just give him his shit back.....if ever they decide to go full retard over it, he just have to have 250 euros in his pocket, ready to unleash :D

"My concern goes more with the corruption of the courts, and the fact they are not following their own laws. The "truth" does not matter in those places." This point ^^^^ cuts to the heart of the matter. It's all surety and accounting and you are either HIM or you are not. They only ssem to be willing to accept that you are HIM. Being his agent or Sole Authorized Administrator leads the justice to commit fraud and convict in the PERSON's absence and/or quote Meads vs Meads to justify their own fraud.

I have thought about precisley what Anibal is writing and yet their behaviour and fraud prevents me from complying and/or acquiescing and/or bending over for my rapist and IDENTIFYing myself as SURETY for something they created.

Oh, and by the way, traffic tickets are debts created by the PUBLIC. It�s a public debt, just the fact that they are budgeting these a year in advance, prove that these are PUBLIC DEBTS. Budgetting $20 millions of traffic tickets, before giving these tickets, is a FRAUD. How in the fuck can they decide a year in advance on HOW many offenses folks will do ? This is a fucking scam�..and here, we also have proofs that these cops have QUOTAS to meet�. :P

It's business....nothing else...and since we've learned what money is, and/or can be, well fuck it :D

LIEN IT

The completed bill was for the original 80� fine. The 250� was charged for non payment of the original fine... I didn't argue that in court I just repeatedly told them I was not EAMONN O BRIEN. Anibal, when a letter is sent seeking money from me where no injured party exists, whether it be 1 Euro or 1 million, I will fight it. Fuck them...

If EVERYONE did, then there would be nothing left for them.

:)

I'll send the author of the warrant a response tomorrow...

:D �public property� � biens publics � �public property� means all property, other than MONEY, belonging to Her Majesty in right of Canada; :D