The Tender For Law

Volume 8

Dec 12, 2014 12:18 PM

Eamonn O Brien

Just back from court.

Name was called, I said I was here on that matter. My name is Eamonn and I'm here by special appearance....

J: What's your name? Me: My name is Eamonn J: So you're Eamonn O Brien? Me: No, my name is Eamonn today, nothing more, nothing less. J: But I won't speak to you unless you tell me your name. Me: I've said, my name is Eamonn. By what authority can you tell me that is not my name? I'm administrator for the Eamonn O Brien account.

J: What does that even mean? Me: It means I'm in charge of that account. I have paperwork filed in the case file if you want to view it.

J: (Tells guard/cop/plaintiff to read out the facts of the alleged offence) Me: I also have questions for the court and until they're answered I can't understand the nature & cause of these proceedings.

J: So you're not Eamonn O Brien? Me: My name is Eamonn. I can give Eamonn O Brien into custody of the court if you'd like?

J: (Asks another Guard to call outside the court for Eamonn O Brien) Me: For the record, if Eamonn O Brien is not in the room then clearly I am not the Eamonn O Brien you are looking for...

J: So you're not Eamonn O Brien? Me: No I am not.

J: Then I'll just have to fine Eamonn O Brien �250 and give him 1 month to pay.

I grabbed my coat and walked out...

I started out alright but fuck me did I start shakin! Was great to see the judge squirming a bit once he couldn't get past the name... I know there could have been plenty of questions for me to be thinking of on the spot but trying not to shake really got in the way of my thought process...

Thanks to Lee Edgely for coming down. I also knew another guy in the court so there are 2 witnesses that are eligible to affirm that it was confirmed on the day that I am not Eamonn O Brien... No doubt there'll be more paperwork down the line... There is still no evidence that I am surety...

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Eamonn O Brien

I wasn't scared really just trying to think of everything at once... I'm worried now that when he asked "So YOU are not Eamonn O Brien" I replied. I should have asked "are you addressing me?"...

When he stated that he wouldn't talk to me because I wouldn't give a full name I should have said by refusing to talk to me you will be accepting surety do you wish to not talk to me? Or something like that... Easy now to think of once I'm sat in the comfort of my home...

Eamonn O Brien

I've been thinking about today and really, I achieved nothing... I might as well not have been there... They still fined EAMONN O BRIEN and that fine will be posted out to the house. All I can do is send another notice of mistake with an affidavit stating what happened today and give them a few days to respond to rebut the affidavit.

My guess is it'll result in a warrant and eventually get picked up some day while driving... :/

Eamonn O Brien

It's not liened. I still use it. This particular case was a speeding fine in which the first contact was a letter in the door. Every charge is a new person so I went from there... The judge was playing dumb and went ahead and fined the person anyway...

Eamonn O Brien

I didn't know how tolerant he would be before ordering I be taken away... I just about got "by what authority" out... I know he should be the one worrying about my tolerance but again, fear sets in...

I should have pushed more for him to read my affidavit and paperwork. Spent time putting it together.

Going in one doesn't know what situation they will be presented with. Couldn't get passed the name...

Does the fact that a courtroom full of people saw the judge establish that I wasn't EAMONN O BRIEN count at all Scott?

Eamonn O Brien

As I said, it wasn't so much fear as it was inexperience. Not having the right questions or replies ready to hand because you don't know what they're going to throw at you...

While leaving I thought, that went ok as it's on the record that I am not EAMONN O BRIEN. The more I think about it the more I see that it didn't go too well... I thought getting out of there with my wallet intact was a victory.

I'll deal with the fine when it comes...

I'm still not surety :D

Eamonn O Brien

It wasn't a very tense atmosphere and having a couple guys I knew there did help... Once the judge didn't start shouting and making threats I thought, right, think fast here... Didn't happen...

Right I gotta go. Music to be played... Lee can fill you in if he's about...

Dino Disenfranchised

Anxiety is "normal" but in excess becomes a psychological disorder. Anxiety is not the same as fear, which is a response to a real or perceived immediate threat; whereas anxiety is the expectation of future threat.

This uncomfortable state is characteristically experienced during addressing an audience but can be overcome with practice and experience. "Glossophobia" is common in people because it deals in an uncommon action. There are extremes but most people can overcome it.

In this circumstance Eamonn O Brien, I can think of a few contributions to the EMOTIONS you felt. - Glossophobia, the fear of public speaking - Stress, developed by anticipation with anxiety and rumination - Fear, of the court; outcome * Fight or Flight, involuntary response system to traumatic experiences

First, emotions are an aid for the body to react to various stimuli. Emotions characterized as "negative" are survival mechanisms; anxiety, fear, anger, rage, etc.

Fears and stresses are "normal" but if they exceed the management of the psyche, trauma ensues. With an already heightened stress level, a trauma can easily trigger a "fight or flight" response which is basically a surge of hormones and chemicals; dopamine, adrenaline and cortisol, to name a few. Mannerisms depicting nervousness derive from this state and can be from drumming fingers to losing consciousness.

Some who have been traumatised repetitiously or in extreme may develop a similar reaction in higher extreme called the "Amygdala Hijack" which is triggered even more easily. This is common in those diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD, though not limited to.

It is important to grasp the hierarchy of thought processes... Faced with something new, the mind must process all the information to come to a solution. After the solution has been found to be correct and used several times, it becomes "second nature" or "automatic", no longer required to be calculated each and every time.

Familiarizing yourself with the courtroom, practicing and with others who try to trip you up will help to overcome the situation. Check the link for more.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/speech/anxiety.htm

Hope that helps. :D

Anibal Jose Baez

It's easy to type, but is not the same when one is in front of "all mighty government god."

One thing it got stuck on my head was the whole "The Master asks the questions. The servant answers/responds." You see, it was clear to me that we have been trained to be in position of servants. It's bad to question things, more so if it's questioning a figure of "authority."

It is weird to respond to a question, like if you were in Jeopardy. But "I've got it." J: What's your name? Me: Are YOU addressing ME?

That thing. ^^^ If I make the questions, I am in control.

David-Paul Sip

Fear? I was surrounded by a group of armed thugs (Peel Regional Police and OPP) and made it VERY clear that they were not to touch me. They ignored Tom McKeogh's order to remove me from the court, stood the fuck down and became PEACE officers, negotiating with me to leave.

Anibal Jose Baez

Also, it looks like at the first indication of bias, or incompetence from that Justice, one needs to question his/her competence, and ask for the justice to recuse him/herself.

Another thing is:

J: Then I'll just have to fine Eamonn O Brien �250 and give him 1 month to pay. Me: OBJECTION! You still have not address the questions of the Notice of Mistake, have you not? Until you answer each of those questions, then I cannot understand the nature and cause of these proceedings. Have I made wishes clear to YOU?

As you, and I said, it's easier said than done. So there is that.

Steve Lemieux

3 OJs. The consciousness, the living body and the juristic person.

Which FUCKING OJ are you addressing you fucking chimp? WHY can't you answer the QUESTION? What's YOUR name? Are you refusing to identify yourself? How is that spelled? Did you swear an oath of office? Can I hold you to your oath? Does the swearing of that note NOT make YOU the Trustee of this constructive trust being construed here today?? Are you attempting to pass YOUR surety and/or liability onto me? As a public trustee, is it not YOUR job to settle this accounting? bla bla bla.. You get the point.

Next time, go in with 500 questions challenging jurisdiction, pinning surety on them, etc. They'll kick that shit out so fucking fast...

August le Blanc

On the topic of performance under pressure... Pavlov's dog comes to mind. And another reason Why belief is evil. Belief is used as a tool to create this:

learned help�less�ness?/noun-PSYCHIATRY

a condition in which a person suffers from a sense of powerlessness, arising from a traumatic event or persistent failure to succeed. It is thought to be one of the underlying causes of depression.

David-Paul Sip

Admiral Scott...3 posts up. I noticed a similar post from Steeve Contributing Beneficiary when I visited Dean Clifford's wall during the call last night. Since he is posting here I'm wondering about these questions knowing that the Justice and these courts do not seem to think they must answer such questions and proceed without understanding of the parties anyways.

Steve Lemieux

@Pete, why would you feel the need to reserve your inherent rights? You already have them.

'Cause I'm guessing you're not looking to reserve THEIR rights, are you? If your paperwork clearly identifies THEM as Trustees, you would then be reserving the rights of Trustee and thus, be reclaiming the surety. I hope that makes sense.

In my opinion, that is being double minded as it could technically be an action which counteracts the notice of mistake, if one was submitted.

I'd would invite you to simply stand on the fact that THEY DON'T HAVE in personam jurisdiction.

One question - What evidence do you have that I volunteered to be a citizen, subject or employee under the authority of YOUR jurisdiction?

@David-Paul, they can only proceed if you allow them to - "POINT OF ORDER, there is an unanswered questions before this court - What evidence do you have that I volunteered to be a citizen, subject or employee under the authority of YOUR jurisdiction?

Take charge, grow some fucking balls and let them know you mean business

;)

David-Paul Sip

How's telling no less than 5 armed thugs not to touch me and getting them to stand down for fucking balls? :P

It sounds like you're speaking from experience. Have you actually had success taking this approach and asking the questions you suggest Steeve Contributing Beneficiary?

David-Paul Sip

Oh the Justice proceeded alright and talked over and around me. Beginning with "Point of Order" or "Objection" may have been useful.

"One question - What evidence do you have that I volunteered to be a citizen, subject or employee under the authority of YOUR jurisdiction?" I like the question Steeve Contributing Beneficiary but I think this nagging little thing called AGENCY might cover that.

Pete Daoust

I think the balls has nothing to do in this, but KNOWLEDGE could be more useful....and what I have learned, in these past two years, can't replace ALL the crap I have been programmed with overnight.....

See, it's difficult to ASSIMILATE all this, and see it as FACTS.......

I am 48, not 12...... :P

But I really do my best on it ... :D

Steve Lemieux

You got it Pete - Mr Justice WHY are you NOT answering the questions? What are you hiding? Are you perpetrating a FRAUD here today? Is this an honorable court?...

On the whole being surrounded by Sheriffs thing, I've been there and done that too. As long as you make it clear that YOU DO NOT CONCENT TO BEING PHYSICALLY TOUCHED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, they will not touch you.

In fact, a friend of mine did that and had the Justice YELL at the sheriffs/bailiffs to NOT touch my friend after expressing that in court.

"DO NOT TOUCH HIM!" - he actually yelled it out. To me, that's fascinating. In my experience they'll just circle you and stand there, waiting to see what comes next.

Michael A Rivera

Eamonn O Brien less is best. So they dont try to trick or scare you into their jurisdiction. Just start as you did and then rebut all presumptions and read the notice of mistake. You need these questions answered before you can have an understanding, on the record and at the end close the record with You have not answered my questions and leave. Well in my last case the judge had the officer throw me out of the courtroom and locked the door behind me.

Eamonn O Brien

There's not much mention of freemen on the land here really. They have next to no credibility to be mentioned. Republicans is a label attached to southerners who sided for the treaty granting Ireland a legal status under the crown back in 1921... The south is known as the Republic. It's a legal title... People don't know that though. They think we fought and won our freedom from 1916-1921...

(Not that there's not much credibility for "freemen" but not alot of people are out there applying it... Only a few of us in The Tender for Law here. The only solid resource for law)

Eamonn O Brien

Some guy spoke to me after the court appearance and said "you did it wrong. When he was asking you your name you should have said, are you addressing me?"

I realise he was spot on now but he also said, "Cos when he was asking you that he was talking to your scarecrow..."

So there was that... :p

Eamonn O Brien

Its just a local paper so anyone who sees it that knows me will hopefully start asking what its all about.

To the untrained eye people think Im "getting in trouble" and cannot see the woods from the trees. Im not just fighting an 80 euro speeding fine Im fighting every fine. Every fraudulent claim by strangers who anyone else seem all too happy to give away their time and value to...

Pete Daoust

*Its just regular speak here*

Yeah, the fucktard kind of speaking, keep speaking in that REGULAR fucktard speaking language, so you can stay a regular FUCKTARD...

NO ACRONYMS in here. Period

I am NOT the one who made that LAW, I am just FOLLOWING orders :P

Steve McCall

Good thread. Thanks for sharing your experience Eamonn O Brien.Anyone would be nervous taking the helm of a ship in shallow harbour for the first time if all you ever did was read about it. What Steeve Contributing Beneficiary says above makes sense to me with exception to what David-Paul Sip added about AGENCY and presumption *If, you haven't formally resigned already. Still it does seem to be a presumption? No one ever told me about it other than Scott so asking for EVIDENCE of AGENCY appears fair. Clearly there has been no meeting of the minds. I didn't notice Scott Duncan correct any of that. How do we keep the Justice in the TRUSTEE role? Is asking questions of the court enough? Is there a specific way of asking for these roles to be maintained beyond what SCB stated?

Sino General

I don't get why ppl bother going into court if you have not had any practise??? Like wtf ... gather with some friends and have the best one play the judge. Simple go In and do it like how you wish to. He'll even have a guy there standing close to you as the guard. I did this at seminars and even thoe I played the judge ... ppl were still nervous. Once you do it over and over u become relaxed and not as tense. I always say ... if fear kicks In. ..read from a script or at least have a few responses to use in case you freeze up. . Ffs... it's easy why yall go Inn there and make it harder for the next guy... judges use ur fuck ups as case law ... duh so stop going in so stupid ... or at least get a contract with the court before you enter. Are you John doe .. do you not know who your looking for ?? Is there a problem with me being here as a interested 3rd party who has a vested interest in the person in question.... judge: what is ur name ... you may refer to me as a friend of the court or defendant ... refer just means you will take it under consideration only ... doesn't anyone anyone how to talk to the damn judge -????? Ugh

Sino General

Well clearly Micheal ppl do ... they clearly Suck while in court .. freeze up and tremble under the judge ... so you have audio of ur success in court ?? Also bring someone to record ur session or hide a phone already recording when u enter court room. Usually wait until they call the name so you can hit record. No one doesn't seem to do this.m. ugh just stories ...

Michael A Rivera

I dont have audio of my success in court, my freedom is proof of my success, plus you can see my paperwork in the Tender for law. I wasn't dealing with tickets or summons. Criminal charges 2x . The truth is the power that moves me and gives me courage to speak and say what I need to say and nothing more even though I was shaking and facing up to a year in jail or 3 years probation.

Eamonn O Brien

Sino I posted audio also as a separate thread and I have no one to practice with. I am learning on my own. I live in Ireland and am pretty sure Im one of very few people here who is studying this stuff... Ill be better next time...