The Tender For Law

Volume 8

Oct 21, 2014 1:18 PM

Chris Evan

The Tender for Law that money provides...

What does it mean?

Well, we know that this is the place to "Post any questions on LAW, MONEY, CONTRACTS, and JURISDICTIONS and how they are connected." We know that Scott has said on numerous times that he pays his bills because of this tender.

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Scott Duncan

There is a TENDER for LAW (Legal Jurisdiction) attached to the money.

You can trade beads, coupons, notes, stc. None of that has a TENDER FOR LAW attached to its use. Fiat currency and the accounting behind it DOES.

It's that simple.

Chris Evan

What about the tender for law that money provides in terms of public debts? Why do you choose to buy public debts based on this tender, even though we know that we aren't the party with surety for public debts?

Scott Duncan

For the benefit of the "law".

That's what separates me from the Free-Dumbers; I PAID FOR THAT LAW, AND I DID NOT GET WHAT I PAID FOR. They don't follow the rules anymore. The Tender For Law, which Fiat Currency provides, is in fact, FRAUD.

If you rip ME off, I destroy you. The rules are simple.

I was ripped off, so I am going to LEGALLY and LAWFULLY collapse the banking system and start a war.

I'm not saying anything NEW here. Where did I lose you?

Scott Duncan

I KNOW the Acts, Codes and statutes better than anyone else. It's why I "invested" in them. It is like a race-car driver buying a fast car. He has the skill to get the MOST out of what he bought.

Imagine how pissed off he'd be if 4th gear threw the car into reverse and the engine flew out of the hood?

Imagine how much WORSE it would be if the dealer started saying it was the drivers fault for not knowing 4th gear sometimes shifted into reverse!

Well the same thing happend with me and "law".

That's why you even know I exist.

Scott Duncan

So... in response, I intend to torture the dealer inside a shipping container out at sea, and drop his naked broken tortured body somewhere in West Africa. He can then become a victim of THEIR "system".

I will then repair one of the cars for my own use, and melt the rest down for scrap. The proceeds of which, I shall happily pocket as remuneration for my trouble.

Xrisjuice Xris

For my clarity - When we use legal tender it's a BENEFIT and the use of this BENEFIT implies that we have requested it and this imports a promise to PAY for this benefit. Therefore we gave up our consideration for this benefit back to Bank of Canada and this is why we have no ability to create credit. Due to our own ignorance we screwed ourselves over in exchange for a Benefit based on Debt. This means we have all given up our ability to create CREDIT to BANK of Canada and that was our exchange for the use of debt notes...is this correct? and would the valuable consideration we rendered for this be found in section 57.1 of the BIlls of Exchange Act?

Xrisjuice Xris

Bank of Canada is owned by the persons (shareholders) and i have one of those Persons.

I am the SOLE authorized Administrator for this person.

So I can decide to NOT buy back public debts, the choice is mine.

Or, I can accept ALL public debts sent to that person, since I have the right to its SURETY. Holy smokes Batman this makes sense!

Scott Duncan

OK. Here in REALITY, most of you dumb chimps are too stupid to even know what MONEY is, muchless what the BANK OF CANADA is. The government KNOWS this, and therefore borrows from PRIVATE/CHARTERED Banks. The banks must lend ACTUAL money that they don't have, so they BORROW it OVERNIGHT, from the Bank of Canada, and pay it BACK with all the "loans" they made, the day before.

CITIZENS are left holding the bag.

In the United States, the banks are more efficient. They simply TOOK OVER the Federal Reserve. Americans were too ignorant to notice.

Chris Evan

And this: CITIZENS are left holding the bag.

That would be before one resigns, them, and after, the surety...correct?

Of course, accepting that each individual balances their own accounting and fulfills their own contracts....

Chris Evan

About MONEY....I understand money to be Bills, Drafts, Promisorry Notes...errr..and a few other terms that aren't coming to mind. Here, its defined at 13 Stat 99, the National Banking Act of 1864. When we are sent a BILL (for example), drawn from a contract with an Electricity provider, is there any value in claiming the BILL?

Xrisjuice Xris

on Galen payroll is Norman INkster.. sits on Treasury board.. ex interpol president.. founder of Inkster Group, also on payroll is Navigant Consulting, filled with ex police, RCMP etc. Galen MOm was the ex Lieutenant governor, all friends with our Chief of Police here in Ontario.. with many more connections.

Chris Evan

Because 12 USC 411 demands an inelastic currency. Since the Instrument is money, it becomes inelastic...which means no fractional reserve banking. It also means that I am bypassing the Federal Reserve System....It will be accounted as a liability on their books, then transferred to the Treasury as an asset

Chris Evan

Here there is different kinds of a medium that we can demand...there are these 12 USC 411 notes, or there is 31 USC 5115 notes. They aren't printing anymore of these, but 411 notes are the substitute upon demand....It says so here:

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx

Chris Evan

hmmm....now that I think of this, once these BoEs are deposited into trust, wouldn't that create BOOK VALUE for the corp? Then, wouldn't the BOOK VALUE be leveraged for fiat? Also, who measures BOOK VALUE? a Chartered Accountant?

Will Bed

Here I'm coming back again with the "FOR DEPOSIT ONLY" thing... Sorry if I sound really dumb :(

Why do I have the impression that a DEPOSIT seems to be something that cannot be withdrawn / has to be kept on account ? That once you withdraw the funds, it could no longer be considered a DEPOSIT ??

When you write those words on a cheque, does that mean the bank MUST KEEP the original instrument ??? If so, then it seems, indeed, that any money of exchange available would be something totally independent from the DEPOSITED instrument and wouldn't be REVENUE...

In such a case, it seems it wouldnt be REVENUE for as long as the INSTRUMENT is DEPOSITED.

There's no synonyms in law... So if I'm right thinking withdrawn DEPOSITED funds no longer are a DEPOSIT, and we know invoices can be SECURITIZED (right ?), and SECURITIES can be DEPOSITED...

Is it possible that you could withdraw a DEPOSIT and replace the funds withdrawn with SECURITIZED RECEIPTS, or BIlls of Exchange or any other SECURITY, DEPOSITED, keeping the accounting even ???

David Johansen

i got it. pbdy coin exchange. you hold there gold in exchange for pbdy crypto coin that only you mine/create, with a trust/promis to redeem gold/silver and/or other valuable exchange. you become a private banker.

Chris Evan

Will Bed...EVERYTHING is a fucking trust...For Deposit Only confirms that! and makes the bank trustee and holder in due course...now, what do they do with it? Do they create money on account? Isn't that the definition of INCOME? But do they want YOU on the hook for it? Remember a deposit is REGISTERING Money on Account. Before that, it was Money for Exchange.

Pete Daoust

A cheque isn't Money of Exchange ?

Here's how I get it....

You deposit a cheque, which is money of account, and write "for deposit only" on it.

That money of account can ONLY be deposit, there's nothing else to do with it. And it.s still money of account, it never been money of exchange.

Then you go to the ATM, and get Money-of-Exchange from that thing.

So the money of account that was for deposit ONLY, just has been exchange into "money of exchange".

But that "money of account" that has been deposited for deposit ONLY, can't be view as INCOME, because it was meant to be DEPOSIT only.

I wish I could show you the image of all this, that I have in my brain :D

Pete Daoust

Money of Exchange (ready for exchange against stuff) CA$H Postal Money Order BILL OF EXCHANGE :D

Money of account (invisible thing :D ) Company check (with a signature as surety) Personal check (with a signature as surety) CREDIT CARD :D (with a NIP or Signature as surety) Electronic Transfer (with a IP address as surety :D )

Chris Evan

Investopedia says this:

DEFINITION OF 'MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE' An intermediary instrument used to facilitate the sale, purchase or trade of goods between parties. In modern economies the medium of exchange is currency.

Xrisjuice Xris

Can and/or will someone here please explain how money of account and money of exchange competes with each other..? I am sure inquiring minds want to know... and yes this was a great thread Chris Evan thank you.

Gail Marie

maybe this will help Chris Thornton copied from a thread months ago

You have been pre-programmed to accept this subjugation, this ridiculous, FRAUDULENT, morally-bankrupt subjugation is a LEGAL necessity, and all of it deals with MONEY OF ACCOUNT. MONEY OF EXCHANGE never touches the equation. For those of you who are too lazy and/or stupid to learn the difference between MONEY OR ACCOUNT and MONEY OF EXCHANGE, one dollar in MONEY OF ACCOUNT is only capable of buying and/or cancelling another dollar in MONEY OF ACCOUNT. 90% of all money in the world is this type of money. It's pretend. It's not real. It only applies to the clubhouse rules, and it competes directly with the money in your pocket. This is the dynamic that everyone misses. If it exists in the real world, it has VALUE. Any currency used to track that VALUE, when exchanging goods, is MONEY OF EXCHANGE.

Scott Duncan

1: A cheque IS money. If I bang a hot chick, and she pays to be serviced with a cheque... It's fucking MONEY OF EXCHANGE.

2: Money of account is not physical. It's accounting. (Money of account). NOTHING IS EXCHANGED.

Anibal Jose Baez

Trim your "friends", Chris. You do not need 95% of those. I had 400 and something "friends"' before joining The Tender for Law, now I am down to 31, and my learning experience is MUCH, MUCH better. It SUCKED to see all those "conspiracy" fake news all over the wall, ignorance posing as knowledge, and much other distractions.

Chris Evan

The trust holding corporation needs as many shares as persons it creates. Those are the valuable consideration for the Bills. And that is what the BC is. But its fraud. Fuck Scott....you told me this over a year ago, I finally get it!! That's why there needs to be a reorganization every time there is a new person created/added, right?

Will Bed

Chris, ever seen our first skype call, you seem to have figured something out and I need to literally draw the picture to understand everything correctly... I'm still missing something and it drives me fuckin nuts :(

Chris Evan

Ok...its about attornment, and the entire thing is about them stealing your value. Your value comes in the mail everyday and since you were operating through their registered security, they have a claim to it

Will Bed

You need a holding corp. That CORP takes care of every debt sent to EAMONN O BRIEN. When a debt comes in, the CORP uses MONEY OF ACCOUNT to buy the debt. It keeps the BILL which was sent to EAMONN O BRIEN as an ASSET, just like the bank does with the PROMISSORY NOTE when you go there to beg for CREDIT... These BILLS have VALUE. DEPOSITING those bills as CORPORATE ASSETS in the BOOKS of your HOLDING CORP allows the CORP to use that VALUE to create MONEY OF ACCOUNT as needed, so it can keep buying debts, let's say not enough money of account is available. That's LEVERAGING VALUE based on ASSETS... EVERYTHING of VALUE is HELD by the holding CORP. It adds up in the CORP's ASSETS which can be used in COLLATERAL to create CREDIT...

Laurent Vah

"These BILLS have VALUE. DEPOSITING those bills as CORPORATE ASSETS in the BOOKS of your HOLDING CORP allows the CORP to use that VALUE to create MONEY OF ACCOUNT as needed, so it can keep buying debts, let's say not enough money of account is available."

How does the corp uses that VALUE to create money of account then?

Chris Evan

ok...receipts are different though. Its evidence of a transference of title....if its a title to a cheeseburger, I am not sure it would have much value...if its a receipt to a drumset, I would think the trust would have an interest in it and possibly reimburse the purchaser and take the receipt. But I am not entirely sure on this....

Anibal Jose Baez

It would be a good idea if a few of us, interested folks about this topic, plan a Skype call to talk about this matter. I KNOW is important. The call makes things move faster.

Is just an idea, a suggestion.

Eamonn O Brien

I think I'm trying too hard to understand... If it's hard you're doing it wrong etc...

I'll step away for the night... Let my brain absorb and re-configure...

Cheers for your time Chris... Talk tya later folks

Anibal Jose Baez

Dang, now the phrase "You think wrong, and VALUE the wrong things" has a much deeper connotation! :O I used to get those BILLS, that are MONEY, and I never knew the VALUE of those. Gave them all away. :/

Eamonn O Brien

So at the moment, as I don't have a holding company, The Central Bank of Ireland is it...

I get a bill from a company. I endorse it by signing the back and it is then (supposed to be) presented to the Central Bank where they deposit it as an asset and buy the debt from the company via money of account...

Correct?

Chris Evan

One time that I specifically remember, I had a truck loan for $25,000 which I paid in full, I remember receiving the Note in the mail after I paid it. I then put that thing through the paper shredder. ugggghhhhh

Rick Carne

ok.....I am now in the process of flushing my wrong thinking..this thread has been the suppository...as i have been placing value on the wrong things !...uuggghhh Scott has been right all along ( iknow I know Scott is always right)........i really am a semi evolved chimp (sitting on my monkey butt using a stick to eat ants)...I am deleting a lot of the other bullshit that i have been giving value...thank you for allowing me back on TT4L..what the fuck was I thinking.,,,shitttttt.... i have been throwing away value/money..uuuhhhggggg...i have a lot of thread searching to do.

Chris Evan

Laurent VH, I missed your question: How does the corp uses that VALUE to create money of account then?

The deposit of the BoE is now Money of Account...simple, it gets more by getting more bills, then more fiat, then more bills....it could be a never ending spiral.

Also, The corporation goes to a CPA, in Canada, its called a Chartered Accountant, I'm not sure what its called in Belgium though...You have them perform the accounting, and you need some kind of certified book value. I think they will simply certify the Balance Sheet, which would account for the money for their jurisdiction. Then you go to a bank and ask for a private banker....they will most likely beg you to give you fiat.

Pete Daoust

Laurent VH, when you LIEN the person, you use a corp. to do it, and the reason to do this, is you choose to use ANOTHER person to do commerce with from now on, which is the corp. that liened your person.

So all bills you asked for, should come in the name of that corp., because that is the person you use to do commerce now.

And if a bill arrives under the name of the person that has been liened, it will definitly be a PUBLIC DEBT :D .

So the corp will keep that debt, add the value of it to its book, because the NAME is liened by the corp, and will make a photocopy of it, and send it to the registrar general so he can settle the fuck up :D

p.s. Verify that shit, I am not too sure.....PIERRE DAOUST hasen't been liened, so far.... :D

Rick Carne

i get that..however...isnt Pete talking about the surety sending a bill that was to be paid for in the first place by them?..why are they sending a bill?..uhh surety dude you are mistaken and are in breach of trust..pay this fucker its your job.

Pete Daoust

Receipt

Acknowledgment in writing that something of value, or cash, has been placed into an individual's possession; written confirmation of payment rendered. Receipt of goods refers to the act of taking physical possession of them.

Pete Daoust

expense n. in business accounting and business taxation, any current cost of operation, such as rent, utilities, and payroll, as distinguished from capital expenditure for long-term property and equipment. (See: capital expenditure)

Scott Duncan

It depends on what scale you are looking at:

If you are asking if you are stupid, compared to ME, then Yes. ALL of you have stupidity that burns matchsticks at 5 paces.

If you are asking for context for my previous post, then I am talking about Chris. Chris is not asking stupid questions. His questions reveal he's stupid. This comes as a result of PRETENDING to understand something I taught EARLIER. People often put "placeholders" in those concepts and move on. This is the result.

Pete Daoust

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Pete Daoust

I end this article with a thought that I wish you to ponder.

If all PERSONS have a monetary value attached to them, along with undertakings to various degrees, and like myself you have liened the LEGAL PERSON as PROOF of RESIGNATION from Government Service, and you have affixed a monetary value to that name, and it is now a fact under LAW until you (the Supreme Authority) say otherwise, you can take that value and LEGALLY UNDERWRITE (insure) your own PERSONAL currency.

"Currency issue" :P

John Greco

. . . . "There is a TENDER for LAW (Legal Jurisdiction) attached to the money.

You can trade beads, coupons, notes, stc. None of that has a TENDER FOR LAW attached to its use. Fiat currency and the accounting behind it DOES.

It's that simple." - Scott Duncan - October 21 at 9:26am �