So they acknowledged receipt of the notice of mistake. They didn't rebut my position. I authorised the discharge and now they've issued a summons. Are they playing dumb as regards to not presenting it to central bank? Should I get an affidavit together along with the other documents? Either way the court date is set so I think filing with the clerk wouldn't hurt...

Bump...

Then it's ACCEPTED. It is a FACT IN LAW now. Henceforth, anything they do is FRAUD from this point.

Court came after this though...

"Henceforth, anything they do is FRAUD from this point." <<<THIS Eamonn. It seems that anything that occured after this FACT IN LAW was established, even court, was a fraud.

There's no law in this country David... I've no way of enforcing my position/facts... ?

SO SEIZE THE EQUITY! LIEN IT!

Lien the bill of exchange? Or the warrant?

It's all the same ACCOUNT (as in ACCOUNTING and SURETY)

I think the only way to to enforce anything, especially fraud, is lien the fuck out of any fraudulent account!

Im just picturing them knocking on my door to arrest me and telling them they can't cos there's a lien on the account... They'll just laugh and arrest me anyway...

oh....and Scott wrote that before I did...my browser wasn't refreshed. :-D

You do understand that FRAUD is FRAUD no matter who's committing it???

What Jesse wrote. And should they come to arrest YOU then I would suggest that the body that they come to kidnap be prepared with a NOTICE OF MISTAKE

The body they come to kidnap will probably hand over legal tender before then... ?

Ok, Admiral Scott, I know a lien in commerce puts you first in line. Seizing the equity. I see the big picture, surety and accounting, but someone like me is missing all the technical aspects of how to properly navigate in commerce to accomplish this. What does one do to place a lien? What is necessary? What papers, and how to fill out the paperwork with out screwing something up? If I do not know any of this, do I have even any business attempting something this? :/ Where can I go to learn what to do? I have some answers, but not all. And I do think I must not attempt to do anything I do not fully understand.

I know nothing about where or how to register a lien in Ireland... I'd probably need to ask a solicitor...

Anibal, I've recorded them at the secretary of states website. It's a public notice of a private claim to value, so you gotta be sure you have the proper claim in hand.

So, why it does not seem to work with you? Maybe I'm wrong, or missing something. But even after you file paperwork, you must know what the fuck is actually happening, to be able to know what to do. Right? I hope I am making sense here. I am not trying to be a dick. I simply do not know why/what/how to go about it. :/

They don't answer questions... They do whatever they want anyway... They ignore you... "What are you gonna do about it"

So far, that has been my experience as well.

Try here: http://estado.pr.gov/en/commercial-transactions/#8

Yes. That's been my experience too unfortunately.

They seem to be just taking what they want...However, I trust the Admiral is right, now I've been verifying.

What I'm thinking is that if there is fraud, we can lien the account and use the security and underlying claim as the bank to draw a bill of exchange from. But I haven't tried that yet. :D

Chris Evan, I have read about the UCC-1 financial statement (but still not comprehend). I went to the office (that you linked), and got the form. They adviced for a lawyer, and/or accountant to fill the form. I have read things like "security agreement" in the Internet. Other than that, I am missing everything. This is all hear say stuff. For example, I understand the Notice of Mistake, WHY it works, HOW to do it, and how to stand in the questions asked. But for the lien I am missing all that. Is like having the printed Notice of Mistake (UCC-1), but having no clue why it works, and how to proceed. Where can I go learn, when the government is not going to answer, other that "get a lawyer"? That is why I asked the question to Admiral Scott Duncan.

Maybe we should discuss it box by box while the Admiral watches. :D we can get all the stupid out at once. :D

Why would I want to talk about something I know nothing about? And why would anyone that does not know, even say something? Exactly, it sounds like a stupid plan. :D

:/

Fucking slave thread........ NONE OF THIS IS HIDDEN!!!!

Pete, Scott

Chris - "Public notice of a private claim" Would publishing the fact that there's a lien in a local newspaper suffice? I can't find anything on it in Ireland... "Take notice, there is a lien to the value of �5000 on District Court warrant number xxxxxxx" ? :/

i don't know. What I do know is that anything that has the NAME on it belongs to PBIDDY and anyone using that name for commerce is liable.

"Warrants may [MAY] be used for financial transactions. For example, a private individual [GOVERNMENT] may [MAY] draw up a warrant authorizing another person [not a private individual] to pay out or deliver a sum of money [I thought this was already done in your case] or something else of value [gee.....what could they mean?]."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/warrant

Scott, would filing a small claim with the court and then publicly publishing the claim constitute a lien?

Chris, the court has drawn up a warrant and the guards have sent a notice that this is the case, giving me a further 7 days to pay or be arrested...

"a private individual [GOVERNMENT] may [MAY] draw up a warrant authorizing another person [not a private individual] to pay out or deliver a sum of money [I thought this was already done in your case] or something else of value [gee.....what could they mean?]." Yes, it seems that they are refusing your delivery of a sum of money and instead ignoring you so they can get something else of value.

How much is it?

250

see, "pick up a gun" is the appropriate advice (not legal advice). Scotts been saying this for years now..... Refusal of the Sole Authorized Administrators offer is discharge of the obligation, legally...we know this. But then they send an army after you. There is really only one way to end it. Some guy on a bench in a dress [read: private individual] has ordered his standing army to bring a person before him [YOU]. They refuse anything you send them without notice. They are calling you a slave...it happened to me. Guess what? They think EVERYONE is one of their slaves. They produce NOTHING of value. They are worthless by every measure, yet here you are, being dragged to answer to them for something another man created and/or made up. In every war here in the States, the battles were fought over the legal titles. This country was started on a claim to the Legal Titles. The War of 1812 was in regards to a default on a lien of these Legal Titles. The Civil War was in regards to a claim to Legal Titles. (Then, as you can see, they then went around the world claiming everything...same as they are doing to your person right now) Now, you have some guy in a dress claiming rights to property held by the legal title that you happen to have AND you have already authorized giving it to them!!!! Who is surety for this stupid thing? Where is it? Why is the surety being refused?

A few dead Justice's and Lawyers will start to turn the tide for sure. Or maybe their children turning up dead will show them. Scott has been very clear on a very personal (used commonly) level....

FOCUS... :/

^^^ yes. You have 2 options. You either fight or you don't. If I have to fight again, the first I would do would be to secure costs. :-D That is if I am before these clowns and they arbitrarily grant personhood to the government. OR if they arbitrarily refuse a method of discharge.

"It is almost impossible for anyone to believe that anyone else could possibly reject the law of final supremacy of brute force." Gandhi... I've been fighting all the way but it basically comes down to this...

*sigh* :(

Yeah dude. I know how it is.

So I'll post that letter Pete yes?

If they give it back saying they've refused it then the debt is discharged... If they keep it then it's accepted as payment...

Are you asking me for an approval ? :D

Yes, I am never too sure of myself... :p

Too bad ! :D

"I wish to pay" careful what you wish for....

I have wrote it yesterday....

But he ALREADY sent payment. Why would he wish to do it?

I wrote it yesterday too, but in this case, I don't have a Bill...

I sent payment for the original fine of �80... Now they want 250 for non-payment of the 80... It's a joke actually...

Ok, Eamonn, let,s go over this shit, with our brains, let�s not use ANYTHING else than our brains. 1. A debt has been created for the PERSON. 2. Here, in Canada, a debt needs to be DISCHARGED. I can prove it. 3. Here, in Canada, a Bill of Exchange = LEGAL Money. I can prove it. 4. I have sent a Bill of Exchange to DISCHARGE that debt. I can prove that they have received it. And they are HOLDING this BoE as we speak. 5. They still want to collect on that debt. 6. They seems to REFUSE the discharge, but never made mention of it. 7. I want that LEGAL MONEY back if it�s the case, and then I WILL PAY. 8. If they keep that LEGAL MONEY, and push their bullshit still, they are nothing more than CRIMINALS, and I will be able to prove it. 9. The End. Can you hold your ground on this ? :D

That baillif never came back on me, by the way :P

I'll post the letter today. With regards to holding my ground? Not if 3 of them show up! :p ---Joking...

Hey, you three of them, I have sent LEGAL MONEY to discharge that debt, I really did, here's the proof (you show them the proof) But hey, if they REFUSE that, just give me back that LEGAL MONEY they received, and I WILL PAY. If you keep that LEGAL MONEY, and forces me to PAY again, you are not better than any criminal organization.....

And THAT is why it's OK to kill them.

If it's a FACT that they are commiting a crime, and want to beat me for it, well, I guess yes... :D