I suspect that when you ask, they have to give this thing to a MAN, so the person is NOT involved in this transaction, so no debts/money is needed. For the REGISTERED MAIL part, I am not quite sure WHY they use that method to send it, is it because delivering something to a MAN requires private shipping method ? :/

They sent it to the Administrator, a man? :D

When I asked for it, they sent it regular mal, with a CONFIDENTIAL stamp on the envelop... :/

Me, they used registered mail...

Here in Ontario it costs $35 for that record and you need a Guarantor unless you read the fine print which clearly states you can write a letter. I paid the $35 and at first they refused to deliver without a Guarantor until I pointed out what the requirements actually stated. it took 6 weeks but I got without the Guarantor.

Pete, they probably already knew you were the special kind of MAN who would gladly give them trouble if they fucked something up ;) CONFIDENTIAL = PRIVATE That document is a statement that a birth happened, by a 3rd party witness. Someone else than ME AUTHORED that document. If anyone claims anything which involves ME, without my consent, I guess they cannot possibly CHARGE ME to provide ME with a copy of whatever involves ME ? ME am not for anyone to use or claim in any way..?

What? I don't understand....

Here, they are $20 if picked up and $60 +/- if mailed.

:/ Very interesting Pete. When you say that you asked for the Live Birth Registration was this done in writing over the phone? This is fucking strange. What exactly did you say to these Public TRUSTEES when you asked for this document?

A simple fax sent to vital statistics asking "I wish you send me a copy of the live birth registration" with copies of the drivers license and health card...

I said, I am Joseph Pierre Gilles, and I have the person named PIERRE DAOUST 1196604XXXXXX. Please send me a D copy of the Live Birth Registration. They called me on the phone 15 minutes after I have faxed the request, asking for my mother maiden name... That was it.... :/

With a copy of these ID's, like Will Bed said...

Tha's it...no more requesting shit from these fuckers online. I'm going to take the same approach here in ONTARIO :D

I did that after John Spirit sent me this email... you will still need this to prove you are a human being. John a human being with intrinsic rights a) Fill all your information on the first page b) In the section documents ou renseignement demand� : (mark down ) S.V.P Je demande une copie de la formule D, Enregistrement d�une naissance vivante. Merci (and add your) Signature c) On 1 page, Do a photocopy of your license driver (with your picture) and a your carte d�assurance maladie (with your picture) d) Send your 3 pages by fax to 418-266-7024

That was, Dec. the 7th, 2013 at 2:41pm :D

Or july the 12th.... :(

2013-12-07 ......what's that, july the 12th or dec. the 7th ? :D

I like John Spirit, he has a fantastic way of deconstructing the club house rules. Yes he sells info packages if you are to stupid to learn by what he offers for free.

2022-12-07

nO, jULY 7TH......i REMEMBER NOW :d

Oh fuck....sorry guys, that was mar. 2012-09-11 12:25 :-o Sorry, july 7th I have transfered that email I received from John, to Will Bed.... :D

In B.C. I was charged $50, and did it over the phone. Came regular mail, no stamps.....

Pete Daoust That must have been DECEMBER 7th ;)

I ordered birth certificates online. They asked for ID, so I scanned a COPY of the ID, with a VOID over the signature, and loaded it into their system. Got them in the mail, no problem.

We are not talking about a birth certificate, Mackximus Minimus, but the Live Birth Registration.

Got my Statement of Birth online from Service Ontario. It was $35 and arrived by Purolator.

I have nott seen any "Live Birth Registration" here. :/ Is it a document all administrators MUST have, or what?

The live birth registration PRECEDES the birth certificate Mackximus Minimus. There is no birth certificate without a registration of a baby.

Ok, but my question is: what do I need that document for? Order free pizza? Claim a price? :/

Dean Clifford loved to waive that thing around, and he is in jail. So, what is the real and practical use of having a "Live Birth Registration?"

:-D

The difference I see between the birth certificate and the live birth record, is the LIVE birth record shows "surname" and "given" name. The birth CERTIFICATE has just the "name" in all capitals.

Ok, when I ordered the Birth Certificates I KNEW what they were for. I NEED them to ADMINISTRATE the person I happen to have. Is my CONSIDERATION for stuff. In the case of the "Live Birth Registration" I have NO CLUE what is it for, and if it has anything to do with the administration of the person, or what. I am honestly trying to understand. :/ If anyone knows the answer, please. But I just can't see how I will order something I do not even know what is for.

Is that a guess, or an actual answer? :/

I am going with a guess, evidently.

It's to prove I am a Human, with a penis, and alive !! :D

Just in case some fucktard don't BELIEVE me :P

I heard it did NOT helped Dean Clifford waiving that thing in court. They couldn't "differentiate" he was a man then. So, I am still lost. :/

Mackximus That document is a statement that the birth (yours) of a man (you) happened, by a 3rd party witness (hospital). It's FACT. This is the legal proof a live baby (you) was born and named MACKXIMUS MINIMUS... That's when your parents "sold you out" to the system... Moving fwd with the creation of the PERSON... The Live Birth Registration is the FOUNDATION DOCUMENT upon which the name was SECURED by the government, and everything PERSONal was created to enslave this newly born man with a lot of potential VALUE in life...

This was September the 11th, 2012.....before I knew the existence of Scott Duncan...... :D I read you document it is well done , the way you express what you understand. There is a problem with it, you need to inform them about all the articles of the international covenants and the domestic laws, that apply to your situation and the facts of the matter. You are missing a few steps to go along with this whole process, you need to obtain your registration of live birth this is very important it shows that you are a living human being without it, it is hard to get recognition. were you born in Quebec?. You also need to draw up a claim of right and have it affidavit. then you send them a notice and demand calling on your articles of law. ok, I am willing to do this with you and help you learn all this. I can draw up all the documents you need and teach you were to obtain your registration of a live birth. To make a claim of rights for you will take me two days of my time To correctly make a notice and demand will take me a day. You would have to send for your registration of live birth it takes 14 days and is Free of charge. I can do this for you and meet you later this week if you are interested. I would ask 1800$ donation for my time and energy to do all this, much cheaper then a lawyer..LOL.. Let me know if you are interested John a human being with intrinsic rights :P

it's also "certificated"

I just want to know, how does it helps ME to have that document? If I have it, vampires wont attack me? I can have juicy steaks at half price? Do I need it for "Proof of Manship"? Or, would it land me in jail, if I have it with me? Will sharks attack me if in tropical waters? I mean, what? :/

I am sure I can use this document instead of a passport, to fly all over the place :D

That is PROOF that your parents and doctor INFORMED AGAINST you, that they sold you out to the system without your consent... The information on that document is what the Birth Certificate certifies... It's third party sworn EVIDENCE of a CRIME... I've been sold to the system, without my consent, and this is proof of WHO claimed AUTHORITY to sell me out...

Ok, I guess flying without a passport is a cool application, if really possible. But other than that, I am still very confused. You guys need to understand I was in Hamilton when Dean Clifford was praising that "Live Birth Record," and minutes later a ROPE team was peacefully putting him into "custody." So there is that.

John "a human being with intrinsic rights" sure has some "intrinsic needs" for legal tender. I mean, at $1,800 a pop. Haha!

:D

I see that document the same as a certificate of origin, when a corp order stuff from China, it needs the certificate of origin, if they want there stuff to cross the border.......that is why I say that this document may have a use to cross borders.....but that stuff come right out of my ass, and maybe untrue....but I didN,t investigate too much on this.....my question was: WHY free, and WHY registered mail......that's what I was interested in... :)

The BIRTH CERTIFICATE is an extract of the Statement of Birth. The Statement of Birth represents where and when your parents signed you over to the state. In Ontario there are 2 forms that make up a Statement of Birth. Form 1 has all of your pertinent information on it and your parents information AND the Physician's signature. Form 1 is then taken and superimposed over form 2. This is the legal sized form from Vital Statistics. This is where Judy Hartman (the Deputy Registrar) puts her signature and the Seal of the Ontario Registrar General on it. This is where the "birth of the Surety" occurs. If you've ever tried to have your BIRTH CERTIFICATE authenticated, Service Canada WILL NOT do it. However, THEY WILL authenticate a Statement of Birth. The only reason why is because it has a raised seal on it. Yet both documents have the same information in them. So the Statement of Birth is the surety and the birth certificate is the check drawn against it to go out and administer in commerce. That's my take on it anyway.

Since when one can have something for FREE, and sent registered mail from these public trustees ^ :D

Jo Xappie, the live birth registration is the PRODUCT, not the surety :P

Instead of giving wealth, they gave debts for the product :D

The surety exist because they gave debts for the product :P

I think we both agree its the only "thing" that has value. :)

Well, they GAGE on it :D

The legal title holder of the thing is the province of Ontario, they ultimately are the surety.

Its spelt out clearly in the Notice of Mistake

What thing ? :#

"Where is your authority to use any name derived from any public document and attach it to me?"

surety of PRODUCT

that thing

:P

If you must travel and you dont own a boat then bring both. If trouble finds you burn that fucking passport to citizen-ship and keep the statement of live birth and hope tp fuck you can trick them into accepting you have unlienable rights as a man. I suggest you stay home and study the tender for law. You will be better off for it when we win.

Your thinking may be correct Capitaine Pete. There is a video on Youtube from a Marc Savery as I recall (8 videos total) where he speaks about this and having confrimed this with the Registrar General. One must provide NOTICE in advance of arriving at the border though to avoid delays lol!

Following.

My friend Denis got kidnapped :D For an alledge unpaid traffic ticket, he administered the way I showed him to administrate :P They kept him for an hour, and decided to NOT deal with him, after he spewed almost everything I taught to him, he was yelling in the cop's shop, WHERE IS THE SURETY, WHERE IS THE SURETY !!!! :D They wanted to throw him out the cop's shop, and Denis insisted to have a ride back to his home, stating that it was illegal to let him go like that, the sargent in there finally ordered a cop to give Denis a ride .... :D I am going at Denis's place in a few minutes....to get the details.. :D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!.....fucking Denis, he has guts :D

He DID NOT SIGNED FUCKALL, they just got rid of him, couldn't handle his shit.... :D That's weird though :/

"Pete Daoust: It's to prove I am a Human, with a penis, and alive !!" Pffff... such complicated process just to prove you are a living human with a penis. Just take a picture of it and send it to them, no?

Asking for the surety is what did it. Good teaching Pete Daoust. He was asking for the bond underwriting what ever they were trying to do.

Did the human penis actually say anything? Or just hang there drooping to the left? :P

$50 in BC, and by regular mail.

The statement of live birth I have was requested by email...they initially wanted payment and told me that I would have to collect it in person (I was overseas at the time)...then I received a follow up email saying that the original advice was incorrect, that there was no charge & that it could be picked up on my behalf by a family member. To get a birth certificate on the other hand costs, no exceptions.

I'm pretty confident you could eventually succeed in crossing borders with the live birth record. They ask for the birth certificate to issue a passport, But the live birth registration is the foundation document, authored by a third party, testifying the facts, fwd'ing the birth of a man into the legal world via the act of birth and birth certificate... That document's where everything legal starts. That's where you are initially damaged as a human being. Damage = debt Where there is debit, there's credit. You are the creditor, whats being "sold"... You are victim of a fraud... As such... It's my understanding you have the right to get a copy of that evidence... How could they charge for this when THEY damaged you ? That'd be extortion ?? I'm I thinking way off or what ??

I used the live birth record in court. When the judge asked if I was"the name",I said,Yes,as evidenced by my live birth record that identifies me as a living,breathing,human being.Not the legal fiction". When I received the transcript, it was altered to say,"the legal fiction",so I think I was on to something. Scott told me that the live birth record was a,"steaming pile of shut"but I do not understand why.

Shit

To whom does the BC belong? Do you believe its yours, Nay I say, it belongs to the State...you just stated it was yours...which makes you the surety for said name.

He was NOT talking about the Birth Certificate, Shepard Smith, but the live birth record.......two different things.

Indeed they are, the Cert. of Live birth is the only ID I have, my bad, misread...

I don't even see it as an ID, I see it as an official document that tells WHERE I come from.....

I have good reasons to believe that, when you show that document, you are saying: Hey, this is what I am (a human resource) and this is where I come from, and/or was created.

There lies the problem Pete, they won't issue me any ID, so thats all I am left with....ideas to fix this problem are welcome mate

I don't think there's a problem by saying, I am a HUMAN RESOURCE, created in Canada...... What's the problem with this ?

Don't think that will work if I try to come into Canada without ID mate.

Have you tried it ? :)

You just need to cross Lake Ontario, do you know anyone that has a navy ? :D

Just look for the pink chair and telephone when you get here. when you find it wave hello and come on in. Leave the Southern thing behind.

I can go anywhere I want, and that's a fact, the real question is, am I ready to do what it takes to get there ? :D

In Ireland, it is called the Notification of Birth which is used to create the Birth Certificate. I have requested it over the telephone from the General Registers Office and the Public Trustee stated she will call me back when she has completed her search for the document.

" the Public Trustee stated she will call me back when she has completed her search for the document." ...have they lost it ? :/

:D

Registration of Live Birth is used as identification,when you don't have anything else. I have read that people use it,to enter a country when they are seeking asylum Dean, at Victoria said something to the effect "I have seen no evidence that registration conveys an interest in property",Does anyone have any evidence that it does?

She was very unsure of what I was requesting but I explained I required an answer.

I gave her details of my name, birth date, place of birth, and mobile number.

Ken, Dean is in jail. Think about the application for a passport, what must one do? One must DEPOSIT a Birth Certificate and sign as SURETY. Here, SURETY = UNITED STATES CITIZEN.

I was asked, by Vital Statistics,why I wanted the Live Birth record. I wrote,private.

So I can see why this document (SURETY BOND) could work, as you would be entering a different banking system (jurisdiction), but offering a bond to cover your mistakes.

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Registrationof Live Birth=details of an event. Nothing more. Is that correct or incorrect?

Been there, Done That, was turned away by Canada, refused to answer questions or to respond...was threaten with jail, told them to take me to Jail and I would deal with it Come Monday Morning Court...they just drove me to the US side and left me there.

In Kentucky the BC shows a event occurred, nothing more.

A Birth Certificate is a thing,not an event.

On the passport topic. The passport my person has contains the following text: ...It must not be altered... I have not altered it by signing as the BEARER. I have been living outside of CANADA for a long time and the unsigned passport hasn't been questioned and has been stamped (ALTERED?) with various VISAS. I haven't had any issues YET. What sort of situation could I possibly find myself in if the unsigned passport is questioned?

Chris, that is the reason I take it on vaction with me. I have no boat, so travel via air-port requires "citizen-ship" so I carry notrarized copy with thumb print. I see this as proof a human male was born and holder in due course of the bond and thumb print. Of course, I nolonger travel as I am in the process of becoming a simu-drone

Kentucky? I think Jesse has one of those!

VISA, civ. law. The formula put upon an act; a register; a commercial book, in order to approve of it and authenticate it.

Isn't it funny how the PASSPORT looks like a BANKBOOK?

Anything with "penis print", David Vilaca ? :D

So if I am not mistaken a VISA is also an ENDORSEMENT. Therefore it becomes PAYABLE to the HOLDER. Can a man be a HOLDER or just the PERSON?

formula noun avenue, axiom, canon, code, expedient, fixed expression, form, formulary, maxim, method, mode, model, phrase, postulate, prescribed prooedure, prescription, principle, proposition, recipe, rubric, rule, standard, theorem, usage Does anyone else see this? PRESCRIBED??? PRESCRIPTION??? Prescription A method of acquiring a nonpossessory interest in land through the long, continuous use of the land.

Scott, I know there are no synonyms in law, but what exactly does formula mean?

Hold semi erect,soiled penis,over document.Give it a solid whap ! Tada,legal.

<blinks> slowly backs away....

It seems to me that the PASSPORT is an instrument that gives away a nonpossessory interest in land to whomever stamps the thing. I also think that in order to get a new one, one has to turn in the old one...probably for accounting.

They can cut off my thumbs to remove the evidence. So, no penis print for me.

Can a man be a HOLDER or just the PERSON? Icbeonne Senama A sole authorized administrator can be a holder......and if I get questionned on who is the sole authorized administrator, I say "ME", and if I get questioned on who is ME, I say the sole authorized administrator..... :D

I have 1valid 1 expired passport and one void due to damage, you don't need to turn one in, at least, not in Canada eh

Oh, and the name of the sole authorized administrator is, Sole Authorized Administrator, because since it's a game, only ROLES count :P

Or if you are the beneficiary of a trust you can say, I am not authorized to answer any questions

I got one 11 years ago, so I am in possession of an expired one. I thought last time, I had to sign an affidavit saying I lost it.

The sole authorized administrator has no INTEREST in the NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENT. All questions should be asked to the ENDORSER. HOLDER v BEARER: HOLDER: holder n. a general term for anyone in possession of property, but usually referring to anyone holding a promissory note, check, bond or other paper, either handed to the holder (delivery) or signed over by endorsement, for which he/she/it is entitled to receive payment as stated in the document. (See: check, bill of exchange, promissory note, bona fide purchaser, endorsement, holder in due course) BEARER:bearer n. anyone holding something, such as a check, promissory note, bank draft, or bond. This becomes important when the document (generally called a "negotiable instrument") states it is "payable to bearer," which means whoever holds this paper it can receive the funds due on it. What am I missing - they seem synonymous.

You may miss the FACT that you are the BOSS, it is ALL you.....

Right! So you are saying all these definitions are just words from the clubhouse that I want absolutely nothing to do with then? I will be traveling soon to a place where there maybe more competent IMMIGRATION OFFICERS that may take notice of the unsigned PASSPORT. This place happens to have extremely unpleasant holding pens for ALIENS. It is very important that they do not mistake me for an ILLEGAL ALIEN.

Maybe you should stay home :-D

What's the point in traveling to unpleasant places filled with unpleasants fucktards ? :-\

I am surrounded by unpleasant fucktards wherever I go here on planet of the fucktards! Anyways only PERSONS can be ALIENS. So there's that...

Just a bit paranoid. This passport was issued by the consulate here and I haven't taken it across any imaginary lines yet.

Ceit Butler , it looks like they may have. I spoke to the GRO head office. No record. I spoke to the local office in the City I was born in and they dont have a record either. They stated they only held a record of the original book which they take a certified copy to issue the birth certificate with the information from the hopsital. As I was born in 1979 the GRO did not keep records (only since 1990) and stated the notification of birth maybe held in the Hospital I was born.

My birth certificate has a signiture of the Occupier (working in the hospital at that time) and the signiture of the registrar. I will follow up with the hospital in the morning. Thanks

I don't have a copy of my Statement of Live Birth. Is there any benefit in getting one though, Scott?

I've never seen use for it. Did YOU make it? NO? ...then you have written proof of strangers gossiping about an event. Why is that so hard to grasp?

I don't know how your life/priorities work... I suppose it's POSSIBLE that you might have a use for "proof that strangers gossiped about an event"... but I don't really see HOW.

:D