When the local internet network was hacked and they stole upwards of 160 gb per day, I contacted Videotron, explained them who I was, that I had a PERSON, that that PERSON's been a customer there for 15 years and always administrated the account FLAWLESSLY, I told them I didnt want them to have to pay for that theft / fraud, but neither was I going to pay for that. When something gets stolen, you call the police, and it so happens that the police in Quebec is the SURETY du QUEBEC... So any theft or fraud must be a matter of surety, and you have the RIGHT to your PERSON's SURETY... We played ball back and forth for 3 months, then they finally decided to ERASE THE DEBT... Go figure out ! So if I were you, I'd play this honestly, you MUST act politely until they treat you like shit first, you must tell them you'll do everything to make sure they dont have to absorb any consequences, you can also tell them that it's not like they sell cars and you stole a few of those, they sell AIR, and they ADVERTISE to get new clients SO they should be able to absorb the extra data transfer... But first call and ask them to get the service back right away, explain you didnt get the bill sooner or whatever, remind them the bills have always been paid roght away, be nice with wthem and tell them that you're going to be administrating this matter immediately. Explain EVERYTHING, that its not your fault, etc... And stamp the shit out of the bill they will send, birth certificate, registered mail, ASK QUESTIONS, ask them to REBUTE ANYTHING YOU SAY THAT COULD BE WRONG OR NOT TRUE and wait... Write your letter down, and when you're done, if you wish I can show you what I sent VIDEOTRON, so you can compare and learn / tweak / whatever if you're not sure what to say or how to say it or in what order...

DO NOT SAY YOU WILL PAY, ALWAYS say you will ADMINISTRATE.

Thanks Will ! My son is on the phone with them as we speak! And he will ADMINISTRATE with a credit card the part that he knows the person has used! :) I'll update as soon as I have news! :D

Well they don't concider this a fraud because he didn't call when he lost his phone so his person is responsable for the debt, so they say. Telus wants the person to pay the whole debt before they can reactivate the person's phone. So even if he ADMINISTRATES the part that was used, it wouldn't change a thing for now! :/

And the bills he receives from Telus are sent by e-mail. Can he administrate the debt with those e-mail bills that you can print?

Speaking of credit-cards, Tim Horton's i guess is doing people a 'favour' by letting CIBC use their name on their new credit-card. I think i'd like to get one, but i dont want to subjugate myself with CIBC with any loss-of-rights in any way.....what would be the best way for one to qualify their signature for getting a credit-card, Scott?

Here's the invoice he received by e-mail.

That's not an invoice. That's a STATEMENT

"�tat de compte en francais"

so he should ask for the invoice by mail!

So it really has to say FACTURE (INVOICE) at the top... : /

Yes. Otherwise it is a STATEMENT

Satement: A monthly report sent to a debtor or bank depositor. The BOTTOM part of that statement, is a Bill of Exchange with a DEBT attached to it, announcing that some books needs to get balanced I can see the BENEFICIARY of that bill, which is TELUS I can see the DRAWER of that Bill, that has been scratched with a marker I have NO IDEA who is the Drawee, that information is missing on that bill. Someone have to buy that debt and PAY for it, unless there is another method to discharge that debt. TELUS should know if there's another method :D

Well the Drawer is: LIAM with the last name that was scratch which is VILLEMAIRE. And my son, who administrates LIAM VILLEMAIRE already sent them the letter asking all the methods possible. And since they cut the service anyway, they are either doing this in bad faith, ignorance or fraud = illegally. So, if I understand correctly, my son could administrate the bottom part of the statement, as it is a Bill of Exchange, by completing it and sending it to the BENEFICIARY to settle the DEBT. with a letter explaining what he is doing.....

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/B-4/page-4.html#h-4 Bill of exchange 16. (1) A bill of exchange is an unconditional order in writing, addressed by one person to another, signed by the person giving it, requiring the person to whom it is addressed to pay, on demand or at a fixed or determinable future time, a sum certain in money to or to the order of a specified person or to bearer. Marginal note:Non-compliance with requisites (2) An instrument that does not comply with the requirements of subsection (1), or that orders any act to be done in addition to the payment of money, is not, except as hereinafter provided, a bill. Marginal note:Unconditional order (3) An order to pay out of a particular fund is not unconditional within the meaning of this section, except that an unqualified order to pay, coupled with (a) an indication of a particular fund out of which the drawee is to reimburse himself or a particular account to be debited with the amount, or (b) a statement of the transaction that gives rise to the bill, is unconditional. From 16(3)(b), that thing looks like a Bill of Exchange that needs an accommodation party to complete it, making it into a check :-)

:D

Thank you guys for your help!!

What'd we do? :D

Scott, just to be clear here, you wrote: "Yes. Otherwise it is a STATEMENT" That was just to correct my wording but didn't mean you needed to get an Invoice/Bill to have the debt discharged, right? Because you "liked" what Pete wrote, which was that the statement is also a Bill of Exchange.

The bottom portion of the statement is, when you receive it, an incomplete instrument, called remittance. When you finish doing what needs to be done with this thing, it is transformed in a Bill of Exchange. It's NOT a bill of exchange when you receive it, but IT IS a bill of exchange when you send it.

I have made the mistake on calling this a Bill of Exchange when received, which is FALSE, it become a Bill of Exchange when I "complete" it, with the stamps and my signature.....

:D

ONLY if there is a SIGNATURE.

would "Remittance" be called a "Bordereau de Paiement" in French? And would it have other names?

So far, I really think Hydro-Quebec saw these completed Bills of Exchange I have sent them, as GIFT, and I think these are literally CASH. They just ignored ALL the notices I have included with these completed Bills of Exchange (cash) and kept them as GIFTS..... This situation is somewhat very WEIRD to deal with, right now... They are AVOIDING the subject, they just don't return them, and act like nothing never happened.....

Need a tissu! :D

No, I need to THINK, which is exactly what I am doing, :P

How can you close this transaction?

By calling the cops and file criminal charges over HQ, or, by taking back what's mine...... :D I see no other option !! :(

You did keep copies of every single bill, so I guess you have all the proofs required to send the cops after whoever made a criminal decision at HQ ! That would make the news ! Ask someone to film the entire thing when you're with the cops !

Yeah ask SOMEONE ELSE to record ! :P

Please correct me if I'm wrong! In the definition of the Bill of Exchange, they write the third party as being a "Payee". But "Beneficiary" is often used among us. In English there is a distinction between the two. However in French both word = "B�n�ficiaire". Would tht be accurate? http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/bill+of+exchange

So should we write BENEFICIARY or PAYEE when writing about a Bill of Exchange?

Pete, I,m just reading the definition again of the link I just posted above, and this sentence: "writing by a party (maker or drawer) ordering another (payor) to pay a certain amount to a third party (payee). It is the same as a draft. " ... makes me think that the criminal charges are not to be aimed at HQ but to whom ever didn't OBEY the ORDERS. Since the DRAWER is ORDERING the PAYOR, wouldn't it be correct to say that The Bank of Canada is the one you should be focusing on? Even the guy from HQ told you to notify the Bank, didn't he?

Question: If I get a statement evey month from a Utility company, is it correct to say that in order to buy back that debt, I would need a BILL from them. But if Statements are all they send... I will insist and they will ignore it and then, they will stop the service, right? :D

Look up your local definition of bill of exchange and see what it says about a statement of account being unconditional ;-)

Janick, HQ are NOT accepting these completed Bill of Exchange. I want them back.... They don't want to give them back.... I told them at least 7 times, send them back and I WILL PAY....they still don't want to send them back.... THEY HAVE SOLD THEM !!!!

They NEVER sent a refusal notice, they never said they were accepting them, and they keep them.....

They just go in SILENCE mode about it.....they try to ESCAPE the matter, by directing me to the Regie of the Energy.... They are FUCKED with this.....

aaaah! I get it! So even if you go to the Bank the instruments are gone so they can't do anything about it!

So the ball is in Hydro's court! If I can express myself as so? :P

They are massively stealing VALUABLE SECURITIES.

Seriously, I think I have to do something, but there's a few options, and I can't FUCKING DECIDE which one to take.... :D

and Scott won't fucking give you a hint! :P

Here, the Comptroller of the State is the APPOINTED (trustee) to make sure public property, and public funds are spent within the LEGAL boundaries set. Is there such AGENCY in Quebec? Being that HQ is a PUBLIC corporation, given PIERRE DAOUST is one of the SHAREHOLDER of BANK OF CANADA, and given that those BILLS are the PUBLIC PROPERTY, someone like a COMPTROLLER, has to answer about this. Nothing you have not already thought of, but I am sharing what comes to mind.

And PIERRE DAOUST owns HYDRO-QUEBEC :D

Yes, that too!

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/COMPTROLLER

If there is a COMPTROLLER in Quebec, you may INSTRUCT him to AUDIT the ACCOUNTS. And to ACCOUNT for those stolen BILLS OF EXCHANGE.

So, to make a long story short.... PIERRE DAOUST owns Bank of Canada PIERRE DAOUST onws Hydro-Quebec ME, I am the SOLE authorized Administrator of PIERRE DAOUST. HQ sent some public debts to PIERRE DAOUST. I can use PIERRE DAOUST's surety to settle these debts I did asked HQ before doing it, no answer I did it, HQ never refused and kept these instruments 2 years after, HQ took what PIERRE DAOUST owns, the ELECTRICITY. I asked HQ to return these and I WILL PAY, if they don't accept them. HQ said NO. HQ even sent an envelop to PIERRE DAOUST, pretending having put these BoEs in it, there was NO BOE in the envelop. Of course I, as a good administrator, videotaped in front of witnesses, the opening of that envelop.... :D

I got to find this Comptroller, fuck..... Will Bed, any idea on this ? :/

http://www.finances.gouv.qc.ca/en/page.asp?sectn=2#cf Sector - Comptroller of finance Assume responsibility for government accounting and the integrity of the government accounting system. Satisfy himself of the reliability of the financing data entered in the government�s accounting system. See to it that the government�s accounting practices, principles and standards are satisfied. Prepare the public accounts and other financial reports of the government. Provides government departments, organizations and enterprises with advisory, support and training services on any matter within its jurisdiction.

General Information Minist�re des Finances du Qu�bec 12 rue Saint-Louis Qu�bec City (Qu�bec) G1R 5L3 Email: info@finances.gouv.qc.ca Phone: 418 528-9323 Fax: 418 646-1631

would that be the one? :/

That would make sense, Janick

It would appear is the Comptroller of Finance, within that agency.

Sorry Mackximus but I don't quite understand your sentence! :/

<<Sector - Comptroller of finance Assume responsibility for government accounting and the integrity of the government accounting system. Satisfy himself of the reliability of the financing data entered in the government�s accounting system. See to it that the government�s accounting practices, principles and standards are satisfied. Prepare the public accounts and other financial reports of the government. Provides government departments, organizations and enterprises with advisory, support and training services on any matter within its jurisdiction.>>

I think it was just the wording! :)

Pete Daoust, I would think the Verificateur General could be the man... "at the service of the national assembly for a sound management of public funds"... Pierre Daoust has an elected official at the national assembly, I'd hit the motherfucker see what he's got to say...

Maybe you coulsd also have PD hire a legal accountant... Not sure what the real name is... A good friend of mine just hired one to get QRA off his back... They were saying he owed them money, he go 200k back from the suckers... Maybe this kinda guy could give you some tips or help ?

Juricomptable ! :)

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Forensic+accounting