Tell them that you'll be glad to sign anything, but you are that type of guy that wants to know, WHY, WHERE, WHO, HOW, WHAT and WHEN... before you sign something :-D
This is a very bitter sweet day for me. Creating life is a beautiful thing. But this world can be so ugly at times especially these days. Its progressing towards the worst. We ALL know this flimsy systems days are numbered. I guess I just want her to have a chance at a good life.
I wouldn't argue with anyone or come off sounding like a "freeman" in any way, shape, or form. They might call Family Services, security, police etc. if you argue and try to explain your position any further. I'd just play the role of concerned diligent parent that has his priorities straight and insists on discussing such matters with your lawyer. Get yourself, your child, and your mate home safe and sound. Off the top of my head - I'd tell them:
1, You and your mate are presently undecided about the name and won't be rushed. It's a serious decision and you'll need more time. You want to consult with and get more family input.
2, Because you are prudent you will obviously want to consult with your lawyer (wink) before signing - to discuss the full legal ramifications of any forms or paperwork they (or anyone else) may want signed. Ask for a few copies to take with you. Let them know that attending to the baby and mom is the first priority of course - and you'll likely speak with a lawyer within the next few weeks or so when everyone is well rested again and all are thriving. ;)
3. I'd inquire if their legal team would be so kind to provide any information they may have in writing, providing full disclosure and explaining their position concerning what they want you to sign and you'll be sure forward it to your lawyer for their consideration, whenever you get it in the mail.
Congrats Jesse.
Before you leave... How do you feel about hospital food? 'Cause that sounded like an invitation to stay. btw Congrats! Can the middle name be Indict-the-judiciary ?
That was the nice thing with a home birth, didnt have to involve records, just report it after. Think I had a while too.. I agree with ur views on that and Congratulations!
This was covered in another thread (I tried to pull it up it; unable to locate it), which contained a lot of good advice/suggestions.
Staff: "Have you decided on a NAME yet?"
Parent: "Oh yes. We are going to call our little bundle of joy All Rights Reserved. Ally for short. Is she not precious?"
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So guys I'm at the hospital earlier and I'm looking at this birth certificate thing they want us to fill out and it hits me like a ton of bricks. So on the document we give her a name Nora Shaolin Alexander and I write
NON-TRANSFERABLE
Adj. 1. nontransferable - incapable of being transferred unassignable, untransferable inalienable, unalienable - incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another; "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights"
I would like to actually SEE a copy of the registration form itself (w/o your information; that's private; don't need/want it). I was saving copies of what each STATE's form looks like. They come in handy when I am sharing/explaining the legal fraud with "citizens".
Harry Nosed Wombat. A quick question. You said that Family Services could get involved if one starts arguing or sounding like a freeman, not that I condone any freeman talk but UNTIL one Registers the NAME, does the gov (family services) have any jurisdiction at all?
Yes and no. If the couple has a marriage LICENSE, that muddys up the waters. Not that that crap is right, but most parents are publicly behaving and living as SURETY, so anything ATTACHED to them is fair game, in THEIR make believe world (just an opinion).
I would put in a name that I don't actually want to call her, qualify it as BENEFICIARY, and sign BY: ______ (GRANTOR)... otherwise she might have no PERSON from which to operate in commerce.
Todd, and don't forget the contracts/agreements that tie into the FICTION that the couple probably SIGNED at both the hospital (when checking in) and via the INSURANCE POLICY to "medial expenses/costs".
True but if those contract signings bind them to gov jurisdiction, why is the hospital in such a panic to get you to name the baby and register your little ball of joy? Are they paid on a commision basis? :^)
My studies in that area are limited (awhile back I had sort of delve into it), but the very little I read, the hospitals (ALL of them) have 'federal" contracts in place. Kind of like having your baby born inside the White House.
Todd Keller. I would ask an admin or Scott if I were you. I am not an authority here.:)
Since you asked, I would say they have no jurisdiction whatsoever, but that doesn't stop them from kidnapping.