H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 2:40 AM
What ever assistance I can get would be very much appreciated


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 3:01 AM
REFUSED FOR CAUSE & CONSIDERATION, send it to the "payment" address.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 3:01 AM
�within 72 hrs though... so hurry up


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 3:53 AM
Am I writing that directly on the violation ?


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 4:22 AM
Correct.


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 4:37 AM
Do I send original or copy?


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 4:41 AM
"directly on the violation" would be the original one, no?


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 4:42 AM
Good point


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 4:42 AM
Just listen to what Beverly is telling you. She knows what she is talking about.


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 4:45 AM
I am new so thanks for the patience, please correct me if I am mistaken... Refused for cause and consideration is a conditional acceptance requiring cause for receiving the presentment. Is that correct, maybe close?


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 4:50 AM
If someone requires "money" or "obligation" from you, where is the valuable consideration? There must be consideration. Herein you are refusing (dishonour) to pay but it must be done within 72 hrs. Get the post office to stamp the ticket and send registered mail back.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 4:50 AM
Take a picture of it with your phone, date stamped.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 4:50 AM
Add "without dishonor"


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 4:53 AM
Beverly - Is it better via the PO, or taking it down (physically) the next day and giving it to their "office"?


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 4:53 AM
Have you done this with success


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 4:54 AM
Good ? Michael


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 4:55 AM
I can not attest to doing this. I don't like their "courts". I avoid them like the plague.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 4:56 AM
Well the post office can date stamp it (as witness).


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 4:56 AM
That's what I was thinking.


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 4:57 AM
Beverly, thank you for your help, may I ask your opinion on the my experiment?


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 4:58 AM
sure :D


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 4:58 AM
They will blow you off...


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 4:58 AM
I am hoping it works, a friend of mine tried it with a parking ticket and got it dismissed


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:00 AM
I will let you know tomorrow, wish me luck


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:01 AM
Thanks for the time


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:01 AM
My dad was really surprised when I got two tickets dismissed a couple years ago. I explained to him that their office is inundated with so much paperwork, that can be to one's advantage, and they will dismiss just so they don't have to deal with it; not worth the hassle etc. Especially since most just consent and bend over for their courts and judges.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:04 AM
I dunno, realistically you are sending it back requiring proof of cause (same thing). Instead of going down there and arguing... I couldn't be bothered.


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:08 AM
I was thinking about writing them stating I am not for hire


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:09 AM
FREEDUM!


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:10 AM
Lol, in the code it mentions commerce and transporting passengers and such all business related..


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:11 AM
THEY don't care.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:11 AM
So then you require proof of "ME" being an Agent for Government... You ALWAYS need to remember everything is being PRESUMED.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:12 AM
Most of the employees are clueless and just do as trained, esp. the POLICE.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:13 AM
in THEIR CODE, it says bla, bla, bla.... So you must be PRESUMED working for "them = those fucking guys and their fucking codes" unless you rebut that.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:14 AM
Of course, but the employees (at least the ones I have dealt with) do not even comprehend that truth. They just see that you are required a piece of plastic with a picture on it (permission) to go from point A to point B.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:16 AM
Not even the employees in the BANK are aware of SURETY and ACCOUNTING; at least the ones I have had conversations with.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:16 AM
I don't carry any plastic things with pictures on it, otherwise known as "Gov't Employee ID"


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:17 AM
How do you handle getting pulled over?


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:18 AM
Beverly, I'm not "there", yet. I don't hide that fact. I am not going to do certain "things" until I fully comprehend their true meaning.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:18 AM
Don't get pulled over.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:18 AM
I don't get pulled over. But if I did, I would just say, I have this but its not here.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:18 AM
the ride is under a corporation...


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:19 AM
???


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:19 AM
Got ya, I am in New Jersey, if you look at a map the state looks like the profile of a cop... so many of them here


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:20 AM
I would like to get to a p I no where I could unregister my car


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:20 AM
Basically, I do not do "anything" to attract attention - not out of fear, but because I really just don't want to be bothered. I have too much stuff to do; it is an inconvenience.


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:21 AM
P I no = point,


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:21 AM
I am aware of that unregistering crap, but for me, I'd rather possess the machine outright, BEFORE it goes through their "racket"


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:22 AM
That would be nice, manufacturers title


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:22 AM
Tell them you need to un-register the vehicle as you are selling it in Canada or something...


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:23 AM
Good one! Never thought of that. You'all are so smart.


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:24 AM
When I get my talking skills up a bit higher, I would like to test the waters without plates


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:24 AM
Make a private plate


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:25 AM
Good night and thanks, will update you tomorrow


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:25 AM
I am not 'testing" anything or anyone until I get all my affairs in a row and FULLY comprehend ALL and ALL definitions of words/terms etc.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:26 AM
Basically if you do that Dean Clifford stuff... be prepared to fight lots...


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:28 AM
I'm not doing the Dean Clifford stuff. At this point, I am interested in the Scott stuff.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:28 AM
Register a (holding) corporation and put all assets there. If you pull your PERSON completely out of the system (commerce), you will be better off.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:29 AM
Beverly, I am still learning this stuff. I have not even gotten half way through the information here. Before I was introduced to this "gathering", I had already found (on my own) that some stuff I had learned was either incorrect or half-correct, which is just as bad.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:31 AM
As I get through one document or thread, a new thread is posted and I get off course, even though the information in that thread is useful and relevant. Just trying to get through this as quickly as possible, but I wish to be thorough.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:31 AM
its all SURETY AND ACCOUNTING... "not for hire" will do nothing for you if you don't understand what The Tender for Law (Legal Tender) actually is. THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:32 AM
Correct.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:32 AM
Yes, do not rush through it... that will not help you.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 5:34 AM
That is a strength of mine. I am in no rush, as much as I do NOT like "where I am" at the moment. Fortunately, I was never someone to do "stupid shit" and "get in trouble", but I want to get all of this figured out, so that I am PREPARED, just in case some folks wish to contract with "me" (well, mostly the PERSON).


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:36 AM
Did you catch the reference on Hitler BONDING his soldiers, and as they were killed, it would pay out... So then he BONDED the prisoners so when they were killed, it would pay out? This is where BONDING people started. Now look at your birth certificate and check the stats on the men/women in jail in the U.S. per capita... Let that sink in...


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 5:43 AM
That �right there is why Scott is "such an asshole". This all goes on, and continues and NOBODY EVEN SEES IT? And when things get hard, everyone "prays to gawd" so things will get better? We've all been fucking LAZY is all that is... And now, when we FINALLY DECIDED TO CARE... there's so much to learn and we're so programmed to not think... Shameful really.


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David Johansen

Jul 01, 2014 5:50 AM
starting a deprogramming seminar


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David Johansen

Jul 01, 2014 6:12 AM
did your taxes pay to have the bridge built? then is it not your bridge to use?


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 6:14 AM
How bout, "did your insurance policy pay to have the bridge built?"


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:30 AM
I would like to access the article and documents about Hitler bonding the prisoners etc. - have to research that. I've been sharing with folks that the Military Industrial Complex has "insurance" on all soldiers, so when they die, the corporation gets the "money" not the families of the deceased. Of course, I only heard it as hearsay, and did not actually view an authentic document confirming this, but it did not surprise me. And now that you have shared some stuff Beverly, my gut was probably correct.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 6:37 AM
Hell! There was a documentary about Wal-Mart insuring their employees and collected on them. Some mother of 3 died before she was 30 of an asthma attack and her hublet found out they collected HUGE on that...


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:39 AM
The crap is right there in front of people's eyes - BAM.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 6:40 AM
"None of this is hidden �Scott Duncan :(


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:40 AM
Not that I can say a whole lot. I am aware that I give it energy by current actions... but again, I'm working on it, gradually.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:41 AM
It never has been hidden. Just now, folks are more brainwashed.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:42 AM
Crap, I did not become aware of this "stuff" until just three years ago. I've been trying to share the truth with students, who will be most impacted, but so many are distracted and/or living "paycheck to paycheck".


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:45 AM
Fortunately, friends and family do not see me as "too crazy". Note, I was already odd, so that is to my advantage. Some are "watching", observing me to see if I will be able to avoid being thrown in a cage for my "theories" or whatever derogatory term they like to label me with.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 6:47 AM
Get an insurance policy on all your friends and family and let them know... Maybe they will start to see your "point of view" :D


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:48 AM
Heck, I filed my own divorce papers. I just wanted to get rid of that contract, especially after I figured out what it really was. Everyone else seems to think they had to pay an attorney to do such stuff. Ouch.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:49 AM
Oh yeah Beverly, that would go over real well. Most of them really don't care. Even my dad admits that he is comfortable "where he is at". As most here know, you can not make someone do the correct thing.


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Scott Duncan

Jul 01, 2014 6:50 AM
Who IS this "Toll" guy you violated?


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:51 AM
Scott, I think H Julian Spyer went to bed. Great Beverly, now you got me thinking (not good) about those policies; I don't think a company would allow that, would they?


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 6:52 AM
What company?


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:52 AM
Any insurance company?


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 6:54 AM
I'm pretty sure you can insure anyone and/or thing if you wanted to. But if they were stalked and killed the next day it probably wouldn't pay out.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:55 AM
I had considered selling my own life insurance policy a couple years ago, but changed my mind; my gut was telling me that that may not be the most smartest thing to do.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 6:58 AM
Hey maybe we should all insure the CFO's of the major banks? :D


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:59 AM
I don't have the resources for that. They would be too expensive.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 6:59 AM
All is fair in Greed and War :D


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Scott Duncan

Jul 01, 2014 6:59 AM
You can't insure a party without consent.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:59 AM
Not that "they" are worth much, but their PERSONs probably are.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 6:59 AM
I knew it! That is what I had heard.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 7:00 AM
Do we need another NOTICE then? :(


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 7:05 AM
But there's no other way to operate in commerce with money as debt :(


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 7:10 AM
So the Gov't can insure our PERSON, their own creation, but still attach this PERSON to us? Scott? Without our consent?


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 7:11 AM
with our consent


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 7:12 AM
well, before 18, parent's consent


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 7:13 AM
I think they can insure their own creation... parents just "registered an event"


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 7:14 AM
That makes sense. I am still digesting all of this stuff.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 7:16 AM
Its kinda about "resampleing it" until you find the bottom line...


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 7:17 AM
I'm just trying to retain what is actual truth, remove the lies, and absorb the facts shared "here".


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 7:18 AM
I have noticed that the more you delve in, the more dots get connected. Even the dots that make one "uncomfortable".


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 7:19 AM
Yeah... Hey let's get Sue in here... What came first? The Chicken or the Hen? :D


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 7:21 AM
Stay here and read Scott's articles and ensuing commentary... some of it might be dreary but there is much value there and ALL OF IT IS TRUE.


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Mike Lamb

Jul 01, 2014 7:23 AM
That would be a different thread, correct? As far as Scott's stuff, already doing that.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Jul 01, 2014 7:54 AM
Nah, I was pulling Sue here just to bug her about the HEN shit... You see there's a Hen (laying eggs) a Rooster (cock) and then what the fuck is a chicken? A dead not-hen? So what came first? Chicken or the egg? Well the Hen laid an egg, which became a chicken? Might have become a hen... That story does NOT HAVE a bottom line. Scott's articles actually do.


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Sue Rakestraw

Jul 01, 2014 2:06 PM
Haha! We settle this....here ya go: In the UK and Ireland adult male chickens over the age of 12 months are primarily known as cocks, whereas in America, Australia and Canada they are more commonly called roosters. Males less than 1 year old are cockerels.[7] Castrated roosters are called capons (surgical and chemical castration are now illegal in some parts of the world). Females over a year old are known as hens and younger females as pullets[8] although in the egg-laying industry, a pullet becomes a hen when she begins to lay eggs at 16 to 20 weeks of age. In Australia and New Zealand (also sometimes in Britain), there is a generic term chook /?t??k/ to describe all ages and both sexes.[9] The young are called chicks and the meat is called chicken. "Chicken" originally referred to chicks, not the species itself. The species as a whole was then called domestic fowl, or just fowl. This use of "chicken" survives in the phrase "Hen and Chickens", sometimes used as a British public house or theatre name, and to name groups of one large and many small rocks or islands in the sea (see for example Hen and Chicken Islands). In the Deep South of the United States chickens are also referred to by the slang term yardbird.[10]


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 5:22 PM
I am in the public defender's office selling insurance, am I going to hell...


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Chris Evan

Jul 01, 2014 5:38 PM
Why are you in a Public Defenders office? Why are you selling insurance? and what the fuck is hell?


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H Julian Spyer

Jul 01, 2014 6:14 PM
All excellent questions.


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