I wonder too what is a reasonable response time from the Bank of Canada, it's challenging evaluating what you've done without some idea :/

I thought I could: 1). create an account statement. 2). a bill of exchange attached to it. 3). Complete the Bill of Exchange the exact same way I do with Hydro. 4). send that completed Bill of Exchange to Bank of Canada WITH these receipts . :/

The Bill of exchange would have: 1). PIERRE DAOUST as the DRAWER 2). Bank of Canada as the DRAWEE 3). PIERRE DAOUST or NADINE as the beneficiary :D (This marriage thing could easely be used here :D )

But maybe that's too simple ^^^^ :(

That makes sense to me Pete, If I'm comprehending correctly, corps like Hydro I think would deposit the boe into their bank account and then they are processed through the Canadian Payment Association process?

I think the Minister of Finance needs to be notified....he is the trustee no?

Does Minister of Finance = Secretary of the Treasury?

If the Birth Certificate is a bill of lading, does it need to be signed/completed as well?

No Gail Marie, Hydro has to PRESENT that completed Bill of Exchange to Bank of Canada....

Does the trustee corp request the exchange of the birth certificate for the receiver certificate?

Pete, the VALUABLE CONSIDERATION sent was the BC, yes?

Ok Pete Daoust

What does HYDRO do with the BC on receipt? It seems to me that that should be forwarded to the Secretary of Treasury as well....

Yes, the BIRTH CERTIFICATE Chris Evan :D

Hasn't BIRTH CERTIFICATE been established here in order to use BC?

Hydro, with the Birth Certificate, has now proof of where is SURETY for that bill....

Same as when you give the Birth Certificate when you bring the kid to school, the SCHOOL has proof of ehre is surety, so they can COLLECT...

Therefor school isn't FREE :P

Yes...it gives the local government the right to ADMINISTRATE the ACCOUNT to get paid....

If you still think school is FREE, you are out of your mind :D

So, if the TRUSTEE corp wants to be reimbursed, wouldn't it send a copy of the BC to with the completed Bill? It seems to make sense....

not only that there is a school portion of your property taxes

Who's property taxes?

The person(s) :D

I don't know Chris Evan, I am NOT using a TRUSTEE corp to do this :D

I am trying to think what the HYDRO is supposed to do with it so I can duplicate it....

With what Chris Evan ?

with the PRESENTMENT.

The completed Bill of Exchange ?

yes...and the Birth Certificate they received

THEY HAVE TO PRESENT IT TO BANK OF CANADA... :(

Yes Pete....I know.

The birth certificate will be kept in file......what else can they do with it ? :/

Ok...thats what I thought. So the TRUSTEE corp must keep this on file! :-D

Do you think we need to complete the birth certificate Pete by signing the back for the Bank of Canada and or Minister of Finance?

Oh fuck !!! :(

?

I've heard about "depositing" it, I'll have to look back in the notes to see where it was mentioned, it was months ago if I am remembering correctly

Isn't it the trustee's problem? :-/

I've heard about "redeeming" it :D

It is, but if the trustee doesn't do it's job, then the trustee corporation has a responsibility...isn't part of that responsibility knowing and directing the trustee?

but if the trustee doesn't do it's job = BREACH OF TRUST :D

Hydro is NOT the trustee, Hydro is the BENEFICIARY......

Pete...I don't think this is a thread on how you complete the BoE...its about administrating it through a trustee

redeemable security. Any security, other than a shortterm note, that, when presented to the issuer, entitles the holder to receive a share ofthe issuer's assets or the cash equivalent.

Ok, so I will leave this thread :D

HYDRO is paid...that is over.....we are asking about what happens between the TRUSTEE corp and the Bank of Canada or Federal Reserve

Good luck !!! :P

don't be like that Pete, stay and join in...there is a way, it's being done, that is what we are trying to figure out

I heard an IRS agent say each corp has a different way of doing it and you have to ask them how they want it.

Where? Which IRS agent? When?

Posting third party hearsay is not helping

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02sJAePKuT8

Decide for yourself

that sounds like an internal thing Wakeup Itsalie, we're looking for the process from there....I doubt the Bank of Canada accepts things based on an individual corps way of doing things...I'm sure there is a process they have that the corps must follow

The TRUSTEE corp has to PRESENT the fucking COMPLETED Bill of Exchange to fucking BANK OF CANADA��.so PRESENT the fucking thing�. Hw do you PRESENT something ? �..you fucking PRESENT it IT IS THE SAME THING, you guys just decided to USE a fucking PROXY to do the job.....

Ive watched that....its Chris Fleming. He has spent the better part of 4 years in and out of jail.

I asked a chartered accountant the other day if he has heard of bills of exchange ...he had never heard of them :/

Gail, are you talking about sending a notarized copy of the birth certificate?

Don't listen to Chris, listen to the agent.

ok...ok..Pete. Fuck! We know that!

Oh, good !!! :(

What is the question then ?

Yes the birth certificate would be notarized Matt Antonacci but in the latter part of the thread I was talking more about it being completed as we complete bills of exchagne

This seems to be the question: Anyone have any suggestions or insights on what else we need to consider?

haha you guys are funny...why do I feel like saying "who's on first" lol

Anyone have any suggestions or insights on what else we need to consider? KILL YOURSELF :D

That may be a key Pete, how do we go about that?

I think I did already. :-/

Gail- SIGNATURE = SURETY, SURETY = LIABILITY, by signing the back of the BC, would you not be ACCEPTING the LIABILTY to be the SURETY for it, if not ASSIGNING it to whomever you would be mailing it to?

Scott, could you direct us clueless chimps please? I know we are missing something and I think it has to do with a conversation you had with Derek here. But I don't trust what he quotes from you after that Notice of Mistake fuckup!

That makes sense Chip, I wouldn't sign it for just anyone, it would be to assign it to the Minister of Finance(?) the trustee?

I have to read this thread now, don't I? :(

Oh my god - this thread - funny.

Ok,�. Lets say I happen to be the Manager of some corporation. I send an BILL to a PERSON. That person send back this bill to the corp, I happen to be the manager of What that person send to me, is a completed bill of exchange that INSTRUCT the corp to PRESENT it to BANK of CANADA for PAYMENT. And he also point out that article 84 of the Bill of Exchange Act. What should I do now, as the MANAGER of that corp ? I guess, if I don�t know what to do, my best shot, as a good MANAGER, would be to call Bank of Canada, and say: HEY, I have a completed Bill of Exchange in my hands here, and the DRAWER of that bill, INSTRUCTED us to present that thing to YOU, so you can DISCHARGE that bill, how in the fuck we have to proceed with this ?, dear Bank of Canada ?

No ? :(

Call me the UNDERTAKER :D

yes Pete...what we want to ensure is that our process will be successful with the Bank of Canada....is that ALL they require in order for payment to be made?

You know this thread is ALREADY filled with stainshit, right ? :D

Gail Marie, the best to answer these questions is BANK OF CANADA :D

I'll post it again, if you guys don't mind :D Ok,�. Lets say I happen to be the Manager of some corporation. I send an BILL to a PERSON. That person send back this bill to the corp, I happen to be the manager of What that person send to me, is a completed bill of exchange that INSTRUCT the corp to PRESENT it to BANK of CANADA for PAYMENT. And he also point out that article 84 of the Bill of Exchange Act. What should I do now, as the MANAGER of that corp ? I guess, if I don�t know what to do, my best shot, as a good MANAGER, would be to call Bank of Canada, and say: HEY, I have a completed Bill of Exchange in my hands here, and the DRAWER of that bill, INSTRUCTED us to present that thing to YOU, so you can DISCHARGE that bill, how in the fuck we have to proceed with this ?, dear Bank of Canada ?

"Assignment" is just a technical word for TRANSFER, Gail. So you do that, now, the Minister of Finance has the BC you sent him, knowing YOU signed it, knowing YOU are the SURETY for it. One does not actually have to sign the back of a cheque they take to the bank for whatever reason. The ENDORSEMENT, in that case, is completed simply by DELIVERY. The definition is even in the Bills of Exchange Act, and a teller even admitted that to me though she told me- "dont tell anyone i told you that"

You're right, Ive not found many corps banks or govt entities forthcoming in answering questions though :/

Thanks Chip Douglas

Your duty is to ask, nevermind the rest, focus on what YOU have to do :P

ok!

Thanks Gail, so a copy of the birth certificate, written on the back side as we do with Bills of exchange and then submitted as consideration?

That was my thought, but I don't claim it to be right or true, quite possibly a shit stain :/

I know this is a clubhouse rule...but seems interesting:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/80103

If you want the TRUTH Gail Marie, go to the SOURCE directly, in this case, it's Bank of Canada :D

I am learning that there is much deception and trickery in the system. I have asked the source a number of times but received no reply. Perhaps I didn't ask correctly. The way I look at it, you can only do your part as honorably and to your own integrity, and hope they respond honorably, but expect that they may not and be prepared to follow through with your process. You are right Pete about focusing on you, and what you have to do, you are the creator, you are the action, you are putting something forward, you are the energy manifesting outward.

Scott (or Mackximus if you remember), did we go over what happens when a Bill of Lading is RECEIVED?

No.

So a CARRIER has CARGO. The CARRIER finds a WHARF to offload the CARGO. Someone on the WHARF, probably a TRUSTEE of something, signs a RECEIPT of such.

Now the CARGO is on a WHARF. The WHARF, or person operating the WHARF, becomes the holder of this CARGO.

But what happens to the Bill of Lading?

This is just me, banks offer corporations or small business treasury services down here in the U.S. .

https://www.arvest.com/?page=business/treasury/services/contact

The legal status and uses of the bill of lading[edit] Under the Hague-Visby rules, a bill of lading is only prima facie evidence of receipt. Section 4 the UK Carriage of Goods by Sea Act 1992 (which repealed and replace the Bills of Lading Act 1855 provides that a bill of lading is conclusive evidence of receipt (thus overturning the old rule in Grant v Norway (1851). Section 1 the UK Carriage of Goods by Sea Act 1992 provides that a bill of lading must be negotiable. Also, it provides that a bill of lading includes a "received for shipment bill" (i.e. a B/L issued by a freight forwarder), and a B/L may be electronic. As a receipt[edit] The principal use of the bill of lading is as a receipt issued by the carrier once the goods have been loaded onto the vessel. This receipt can be used as proof of shipment for customs and insurance purposes, and also as commercial proof of completing a contractual obligation, especially under Incoterms such as CFR ( Cost and freight ) and FOB-(free on board) As evidence of the contract of carriage.[edit] The bill of lading will rarely be the contract itself, since the cargo space will have been booked previously, perhaps by telephone, email or letter. The preliminary contract will be acknowledged by both the shipper and carrier to incorporate the carrier's standard terms of business. If the Hague-Visby Rules apply, then all of the Rules will be automatically annexed to the bill of lading, thus forming a statutory contract. As title[edit] The bill of lading confers prima facie title over the goods to the named consignee or lawful holder. Under the "nemo dat quod non habet" rule ("no-one may give what he ain't got"), a seller cannot not pass better title than he himself has; so if the goods are subject to an encumbrance (such as a mortgage, charge or hypotheque), or even stolen, the bill of lading will not grant full title to the holder. As a negotiable document[edit] A bill of lading may be traded in much the same way as the cargo, and even borrowed against if desired. This is a very important and common document used in export and import trade globally.

Receipt = Lieber Code Article 38 Contract = No thanks, we got the CARGO Title = yes, we are now the LAWFUL HOLDER IN DUE COURSE Negotiable Document = oh really????? Scott, is this a stain shit?

Yes... :D

Fuck!

The truth is always stranger than fiction .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_lading

A straight bill of lading is used when payment has been made in advance of shipment and requires a carrier to deliver the merchandise to the appropriate party.

I don't see this ending anytime soon, or in our lifetime.

What do you mean? It ends when the CARGO is RECEIVED at the WHARF!!! :-D HAHAHA!!!!

I'm pretty sure the "Citizenship" is on one hell of a cruise.

So, exactly where is this WHARF? DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY or BANK OF CANADA?

Its a TRUST

citizenship = VESSEL!!

Yes, I am aware they are using admiralty / maritime terms.

I have a VESSEL ? in my pocket ? :D

Trust = Abeyance ?

I have more than one!!!

I know my person is the vessel..

I don't think Trust = Abeyance.

Its a transfer of TITLE. The lawful holder of the TITLE would be known!

abeyance (a-bay-ants), n. (17c) 1. Temporary inactivity; suspension. 2. Property. A lapse in succession during which no person is vested with title.

But title to property is held in abeyance. We are only given equitable title. It is why you get a certificate of title and not a "Title"

Where re you trying to go with this, Chris Evan? Like holding that bill of lading in trust? :/

You are thinking wrong

A receipt is a TITLE

Where am I going? I am not sure! But it seems to be going somewhere!!!!

All property has been seized. That property has been pledged to service the National Debt. It is the collateral for the financing. Why do you think you have to declare a value when shipping overseas?

So....lets say someone AFFIRMS that they are in receipt of the CARGO on a WHARF, would that not TRANSFER TITLE?

Scott....stain shit or no?

You're on a roll.

Yes...I know Jason!

Its ALL transfer of TITLE!!!! A TITLE can't be TRANSFERRED until its RECEIVED!!!!

Are you saying that the B/C is a Trust itself?

Hey, I am a MAN, with a VESSEL in my pocket, I am off to the beach :P

Dear Fucktard at Vital Statistics: I am in receipt of the CARGO, thanks, buy your CARRIER sucks ass! Sincerely, ME

Dear Marines, you have the wrong department, we don't do into water ine here :P

When you buy bonds from a broker (surety) are the bonds the trust?

Marines are Naval armies.

Something to do with water, right ? :D

Speaking of that...what is Air Force?

There's a ROYAL NAVY but NO ROYAL ARMY.

No, the negotiable instrument / bond would be the trust / valuable consideration..

"No army shall be appropriated for a period of more than 2 years"

AIR FORCE is ARMY

Thanks!

They are COMMANDED by GENERALS, not INSTRUCTED by ADMIRALS.

hahahah...the CARRIER is ONLY still in operation because it has SOOOOO MANY undertakings! Once all their CARGO finds a WHARF, they are done!!!!

Holy shit! What a fucking plan! How does folks come up with this shit?

It's 500 years old and it WORKS. That's how.

And I think 1 WHARF can RECEIVE a lot of CARGO!!!!

undertaking, n. (l4c) 1. A promise, pledge, or engagement. [

Oh fuck, I AM LOST :(

Ugh, I just want to kill lawyers....

hahaha...fuckers like the PAPAL BS and OPPT are trying to set up WHARFS.

They knowingly are harming people :/

Yes, and they feed their children with the bounty. That's why it's OK to kill the kids too.

And their children are FAT

That just means they're easier targets.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS WATER wharf pirate stuff ? :(

What do you mean Pete?

I can't get NOTHING of what you're talking about :(

I feel the sudden urge to purchase a blow horn :D

Me a CANON... :(

All of what you have studied came from the ADMIRALTY, Pete.

Canon or Cannon?

Ok, but do I need to study ADMIRALTY ? :/

LAWYERS = PRIVATEERS! hahaha! They try to STEAL the CARGO before it reaches the WHARF!

Not unless you are building/joining a Navy, Pete! :D

I think building a Navy is my calling!!! :-D But how do I do that from a WHARF? :-/

Shit.... :(

Privateers or Pirates = lawyers?

Pirates come guns blazing. Privateers come with guns loaded and ask for the CARGO in return for not blowing up your VESSEL!

Cops are PIRATES!

ahh ok got it

How come I knew the answer ? :D

Pirates will kill you. Privateers will threaten you

First, I will need a FLAGSHIP.

And I will need to arm that thing to the teeth.

Why buil something that's ALREADY here Chris Evan, why not just join something already in place ? :)

Then, I will need a battle that I will destroy another VESSEL and CLAIM their CARGO. Still on the right path Scott?

If you DESTROY the vessel, the cargo will sink, idiot :(

Why start SFC when you could have worked at an electric supply house? My Navy could have CONTRACTS with other Navies!

Right...so I must CLAIM the CARGO first, then destroy the VESSEL.....good point!

I SEIZE vessels, but don't destroy them.

There it is!

Have your OWN vessel, and join an NAVY......

seize, vb. (Be) 1. To forcibly take possession (of a person or property). 2. To place (someone) in possession. 3. To be in possession (of property). 4. To be inform

ok the dots haven't quite connected for me, but the seizing vessels, does this relate to the admin process and liening...the lawyer is liened, the trustee corp has seized a part of his vessel?

Now it gets interesting...

Claim the CARGO, then SEIZE the VESSEL

I think Scott is going to teach us how to claim the CARGO soon!!!!!!

:-D :-D :-D

Yes Gail.

And seize the vessel :D

well...of the UNDERWRITER!

wow won't he love swabbing the deck lol

The UNDERWRITER is the SURETY of the CARGO, yes?

Hey, I only have a 27ft above ground pool, not too many vessels please :/

I think I have done that already. I created a COMPANY then I filed the Lien against the PERSON and made all property of private Trust..

COMPANY has stock which the Trust owns..

Yeah...thats so last year. Lets find out how to CLAIM the CARGO of the UNDERWRITERS :-D

Where is my SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR spot in all this ? :(

Then SEIZE the VESSEL

I thought that was what the Lien did..

No...the CARGO was RECEIVED on the WHARF. What I am saying is different!

SEIZE the UNITED STATES?

No...the UNDERWRITERS. Did you miss that?

underwriter. 1. INSURER. 2. One who buys stock from the issuer with an intent to resell it to the public; a person or entity, esp. an investment banker, who guarantees the sale of newly issued securities by purchasing all or part ofthe shares for resale to the public.

Underwriters being the bankers? IE: http://www.lloyds.com/ // http://www.rothschild.com/banking/treasury/

WHERE IS MY SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR spot in all this ? Fuck, I am about to tantrum something ?

I am not entirely sure Jason, but when I figure it out, you will be the first I tell. I am thinking it has to do with CLAIMING the CARGO and SEIZING a VESSEL!

If I can help let me know.. I am kinda lost.. That and I need groceries...

I remember reading a while back that some guy underwrote most if not all of the United States Notes back in the late 1800s. He thought it was a safe bet.....But these days, the banking system is looking for SLAVES. That seems to be a risk! I bet there is someone who is ready to unleash a weapon to collapse that and start a war.....

LOL Pete, you can still do your work and seize the cargo still as a sole authorized administrator, working under an admiral who would seize the vessel? (not sure on that still sorting in my mind)

Pete, I think you can direct other vESSELS through your VESSEL to do their job. You could say you could ADMINISTRATE that!

FDIC Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation http://www.fdic.gov/

I am not sure......

The Federal Reserve buys the majority of debt issued by the Treasury.

I can get a breakdown of who owns what. The people own the largest amount. The FED is the 11 largest banks..

That's wrong.

Where can I get better info then?

The MOST is owed to CHINA, then SAUDI ARABIA, Then CANADA.

Got it..

We're stuck with it too. It's NOT as if they even CAN buy it back.

Maybe they will trade Alaska..

or Wyoming.....

Florida!!! and all the folks there

hahaha!!! :-D

I would like to have Florida... Back to the point. UNDERWRITERS, CARGO and SEIZING of VESSELs!

Bobis Youruncle

You wanna fuck me now, don'tcha Gail Marie! :D

Go on! Admit it :P

My awesomeness gets all of you chicks into "sploosh" mode. It's OK. It's natural!

ha! that hadn't occurred to me, my mind was still focused on seeing that lawyer washing the deck ....let me get back to you :)

Lack of linear thought is a woman's biggest handicap. :P

haha after this thread that is true enough

Isn�t this overcomplicating things? Bottom line for me: If I am given a cheque from ABC Bank, and I do my banking/have an account #000000001 with XYZ Bank, I go to XYZ Bank and PRESENT that cheque for payment into account #000000001. Whatever XYZ Bank does behind the scenes to have the funds transferred from ABC Bank to XYZ Bank account #000000001 is none of my business. Section 84 of the Canadian Act and Section 50 of the Australian Bills of Exchange Act says: 50 Rules as to presentment for payment (1)Subject to the provisions of this Act, a bill must be duly presented for payment. If it be not so presented, the drawer and indorsers shall be discharged. It doesn�t say it has to be presented to the drawee, so present the completed Bill of Exchange/Cheque to the bank you/the corporation is using, for deposit into the designated account. That�s what logic tells me. The practicalities of the situation may mean that I need to sit down with the bank manager & educate them that the completed bill is now a cheque before they deposit it, but once that relationship is established, they can then instruct their staff accordingly.

^^ is this where a private banker comes into it?

I have no idea Gail Marie. All I know is, for many years, whenever I have received a cheque, I go to the bank I use and deposit that thing...I have never ever gone to try and locate the drawee bank and present that thing to them.

We have something called the Canadian Payments Association here, I think they run the show as far as clearing and settlement goes..all the banks are members

Well, Stuart, I've been to some drawee's bank a few time to make their check CERTIFIED ;) , so I could make sure the funds were SEIZED, and then went to SFC Inc,s bank and cash that thing :D

Fuck Chris Evan I'm lost :( Am I really this fucking dumb ??

No worries Will Bed, no worries :D

You get a ship, you register that thing in Nigeria, you ALLIED with AQUILAE Navy, you seize cargo, and sink other vessels......piece of cake, do not OVER think that shit :D

Chris Evan let's start a new topic, alright... Let's call this... Chris went to the pond... or something... What happens in the pond ? What happens outside the pond ??

Ponds??? Those are LANDLOCKED

Someone can actually hold TITLE to a POND

Continental plates are floating on magma.

Ponds can have a PRIVATE JURISDICTION.

How about the Sun? I want a percentage of all solar energy.. How about planets? I have already claimed the helium 3 on the moon.

LMAO.

Another topic Will Bed

Scott Duncan....is there a difference between a county registrar and registered mail? Or do they both essentially do the same thing?

Pete Daoust: Well, Stuart, I've been to some drawee's bank a few time to make their check CERTIFIED , so I could make sure the funds were SEIZED, and then went to SFC Inc,s bank and cash that thing That makes sense, but is it a requirement (according to their clubhouse rules) for presentment?

I have no idea ! :D

It doesn't appear to be :D

Scott Duncan, the Birth Certificate is a STRAIGHT Bill of Lading or an ORDER Bill of Lading?

I think its a STRAIGHT BoL, but if I am incorrect and its an ORDER BoL, then a WHARF would be VERY important!!

Then there is this.... CHARTER-PARTY, contracts. A contract of affreightment in writing, by which the owner of a ship or other vessel lets the whole, or a part of her, to a merchant or other person for the conveyance of goods, on a particular voyage, in consideration of the payment of freight. This term is derived from the fact, that the contract which bears this name, was formerly written on a card, and afterwards the card was cut into two parts from top to bottom, and one part was delivered to each of the parties, which was produced when required, and by this means counterfeits were prevented. 2. This instrument ought to contain, 1. the name and tonnage of the vessel; 2. the name of the captain; 3. the names of the letter to freight and the freighter; 4. the place and time agreed upon for the loading and discharge; 5. the price of the freight; 6. the demurrage or indemnity in case of delay; 7. such other conditions as the parties may agree upon. Abbott on Ship. pt. 3, c. 1, s. 1 to 6; Poth. h.t. n. 4; Pardessus, Dr. Coin. pt. 4, t. 4, c. 1, n. 708. 3. When a ship is chartered, this instrument serves to authenticate many of the facts on which the proof of her neutrality must rest, law. He must not leave his master's service during the term of the apprenticeship. The apprentice is entitled to payment for extraordinary services, when promised by the master; 1 Penn. Law Jour. 368. See 1 Whart. 113; and even when no express promise has been made, under peculiar

Fuck that....I am leaving that shit on the WHARF...let them take care of that!!!

If there is a presumption that I am apprentice, that would be a mistake....please forgive me. I am competent to handle my own business without the MASTERS help!!

Resignation = canceling the CHARTERPARTY CONTRACTS

Hellos???? Is anyone in this place???

no....

Yes, but I'm not of any help :(

I have no clue. :/

I think we need a PROPER VESSEL thread and tackle this from the start :(

Start one....

I agree Will Bed. This was a very interesting read Chris Evan even if I didin't quite get all of it. I will though. One thing for sure is that not only is it ALL ACCOUNTING and SURETY, it's also ADMIRALTY and hidden in plain view ie. CITIZEN-SHIP and PASS-PORTs. I had only begun considering this before the FREE-DUMB fog rolled into PORT obscuring everything. The fog is lifting :)