May 12, 2014 2:25 PM

Scan it !!!

To post it here?

Yes :/

Gimme a few mins...

Sorry bout the delay. I had a disagreement with the printer/scanner. It has been de-comissioned :/

I've highlighted the Invoice date... I think they've just sent back the copy I sent them with my first request for remittances...

This is what you need....

That's what I got in the first place... An invoice...

It's a BILL......that gives you the opportunity to make an EXCHANGE.....

What BANK EAMONN OBRIEN'S SURETY is in ?

hang on... When I posted about this first I said I was sent an invoice with remittances and payment methods... You said I need a BILL... This is exactly what I got the first time around... An invoice. I thought the 2 were different...?

This shit is a BILL......they write invoice, but have you ASKED for anything to them ?

So I didn't need to write to them asking for a bill? I had it all along...

Yes.

When I first got the original invoice I asked, should I just stick a page to the back, authorise it and send it back... I was told to ask them for a bill...

So I was correct with my first instinct... Just authorise it and return...

Quick one Pete, I should send the original invoice back to them yes?

Because it's the BoE they started from the person I control (the drawer), to them (the payee/beneficiary) to be presented to the Bank (drawee)...

It's NOT a fucking invoice, it's a BILL OF EXCHANGE :P

Righto... I'll get cracking with my draft completed bill and post it to double check there's no defects...

I wrote P.T.O. on the front also...

I like the way you keep things simple, sometimes :D

K.I.S.S... :D

Posted the completed bill yesterday... We'll see if they reply at all. No reason for them to...

Would of been no harm Eamonn O Brien to put,,,BILL OF EXCHANGE ACT 1882 on it also.

Panda have returned the completed bill of exchange with this note...!!

Pete, Scott

They even sent back the envelope I posted the bill to them in..

So, what are you going to do ?? :/

They're clearly trying hard to get me to buy the debt.

Send a notice acknowledging that they refused payment and that the matter is now closed.

A "PEREMPTORY" Notice :D

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Fun fun... Hopefully they don't also refuse my refuse tomorrow night :/

CONSIDER the matter close. They need "consideration" :D

"Peremptory Notice" :D

This matter is CONSIDERED closed

I get all wet on this word :/

Dude, you are a king in this matter. ACT like it.

...and do what pete just said because he posted it as I was typing this.

Uncertainty is a fucker though... Is it Bills of Exchange Act that outlines refusal of payment is discharge or is it a maxim?

Bills of Exchange Act and countless case-law examples

"case-law examples" , I never thought of digging this :/

(b) If tender of payment of an obligation to pay an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument and the tender is refused, there is discharge, to the extent of the amount of the tender, of the obligation of an indorser or accommodation party having a right of recourse with respect to the obligation to which the tender relates.

That's from the U.C.C...

In civil law, the bill of exchange is strictly an abstract document, which means that the obligations arising from the document are unconditional and cannot be connected with obligations from other documents. So, under article 26 of the Geneva Uniform Law, the acceptance of a bill of exchange is unconditional. Under common law, the obligation from a bill of exchange can be made subject to performance of another obligation. Under Geneva Uniform Law a bill of exchange can be issued on order only, while under common law a bill of exchange can be issued on bearer.

UNCONDITIONAL. That which is without condition; that which must be performed without regard to what has happened or may happen.

:/

Notice served... :D

Also they collected the bin (waste/trash) this morning... :D

Any updates on this Eamonn ??

Nothin in the mail from them this week. Didn't need to put the bin out either... I will next Wed. I'll keep y'all posted :D

Leigh OftheHouseof Collins this is the thread about the private waste company that I dealt with... The original thread in which we discussed the fact that they are a private company and that I set up the account with them disappeared from the group for whatever reason I dunno...

Thanks, Eamonn O Brien.

Dunno if it will be much help but there ya go...

Eamonn, was this post from early 2013. I linked to one from then but it has been removed or not found. Can you give a time frame of Max's post or a title? I'm searching through email.

From March 2013: Maximus Legis posted in THE TENDER FOR LAW Thoughts ? Maximus Legis 7:16am Mar 8 Thoughts ? http://www.facebook.com/transmittingutility/posts/499800030083028 www.facebook.com Was this the post?

Panda are back! :D

Despite my completion of their bill and instructing them on presentment to central bank for payment they refused it and sent it back. So I sent notice that they should consider the matter closed as payment refused discharges any debt... That was back on May 22nd...

They phoned yesterday (they've been sending texts every month since) I told them I sent payment and they refused it. The guy asked was it a cheque or...? I said it was a completed bill of exchange and that they should contact me in writing rather than over the phone...

So they issued the SAME bill again today... Dated 15/4/2014...

Does the fact that I told them to contact me in writing open their claim back up now? Did I enter a new contract over the phone?

Or should I just send it back with this letter?

Is this like the Res Judicata....or paying a bill twice? I think that is illegal

Should I reply at all? They received notice to consider the matter closed...

If I look at it like... They wanted money, I offered, they refused, I said ok then piss off and now they want it again...

I think I could shorten the letter right down to

"Panda refused the payment when it was offered. Consider this matter closed"

Basically the notice again... I dunno... They haven't stopped the service anyway so it's obviously just for their own profit...

We need to prove they are acting in fraud...and I just don't know how yet

We have this IRS form here that is called a 3949a...I havent used it yet, but I think it may be a good tool to use

But, I am just not sure yet

Why can't everyone just set up a business and send themselves a billion dollar bill of exchange for payment of a product, cash it in, and be rich?

Because you don't have any value

I really like the question, Patrick Adams, because it shows you are ready to learn, and there is not too much crap in your mind.... :D

I think, the reason WHY you can't do this Patrick Adams, is that you need to be ACCOUNTABLE for the credit you create....

Cos the account only creates debt to pay debts

In other words, books needs to be balanced at zero.......the credit you'll create through a Bill of Exchange, need to reach a DEBIT somehow, and right now. That's why Scott Duncan says, you need money (credit) when you spend it... :D

(I think) :)

Patrick Adams, please keep ASKING questions, I like these kind of questions.......there is no bullshit in them, they are raw questions.....I like it :D

I'm just gonna send the letter...

Send the letter back, saying: ALREADY ADMINISTRATE.

And a NOTICE in regards to your fee schedule for double administration :D

ACCOUNTABLE for the credit you create..... hrmmm

I wonder when that is, that you will be held accountable, or is that to say that you must always be running balanced books so that you are ready to be accountable at any time....

It's the perpetual debt mechanism...

Adrian Thomson, listen....you'll understand :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJcCf4wqe2k

Fee schedule the shit out of them!.

I LOVE that video, Pete! :D

Chris, toilet paper is preferred.