Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 2:58 PM
This question would be best answered by Dean Clifford.


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 3:01 PM
Look into the Notice of Mistake. Mans way of saying fuc@@ou I am not surety for that name.


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:04 PM
Deans in jail. He accepted surety for the name via his actions and conduct but did he a4v the original charging instrument?


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:05 PM
What/Who is the CIC guys ? :(


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:05 PM
Yeah I've been advised of the nom and I like that method. I'm just trying to comprehend a few things tho. Why is one way better than the other?


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:06 PM
Creditors in commerce. Brandon Adams and Gorda Hall, jack smith...


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:07 PM
I've learned a lot from their workshops but I've still got a few questions. Some things I see from you guys are slightly different and just wanted to make sure I comprehend what's going on...that's all.


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 3:07 PM
Anything to do with Dean's ordeal is tightly guarded by his core cluster.


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:08 PM
What CHARGES are you talking about ? ... :/


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 3:09 PM
The easiest way is the best. If it's hard, you are doing it wrong. Notice of Mistake, one shot application!


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:09 PM
Any charge. If my person has been charged with a speeding ticket for instance. They want someone to be surety and settle the debt right?


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:11 PM
The cic guys talk about appearing as the accommodation party for the defendant to settle it's debt. They accept surety and agree to settle the debt on the condition that they be presented with the charging instrument.


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:12 PM
I do administrate traffic tickets from the confort of my office......why need to go to court for those ? :/


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:13 PM
These are NOT criminal charges......right ? :)


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:13 PM
I see your point and agree that avoiding court is the best choice. I'm just trying to comprehend things a little better.


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:15 PM
I am not AVOIDING court, I just don't need it, for traffic tickets


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:16 PM
The only reason I see, to go to court, is if I am being dragged there by force......so far, I don't see any other reasons :/


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:16 PM
Well depends. I've been told there was a criminal action against my person for minor traffic charges before.


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:17 PM
OK let's go with that. You've been taken their by force. Now what? A4v or refuse for cause? Are you surety or not?


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 3:17 PM
It all comes down to what you think is right. Can you stand toe to toe in a court, and better yet, why? So many say to go to court but is it really what you want. I thought that way in the beginning but soon found out that court was not for me and that a Notice of Mistake pisses them off more than anything you say or do in court ever could short of a bullet.


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 3:24 PM
"Mathew Wolfe OK let's go with that. You've been taken their by force. Now what? A4v or refuse for cause? Are you surety or not?" Gordon Hall will always demand to see a bonafide Claim. Scott Duncan has said over and over, "By what authority do you attach a name derived from a public document to me?" I like, "Which one of you sorry assed butt heads is surety for this name here today?"


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:25 PM
:D


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 3:27 PM
Pete, some potato wrote REFUSED on the Citation to Mathew.


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 3:27 PM
The Instrument was damaged


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:29 PM
WOW !!! :D


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:29 PM
Seriously ? :/


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:29 PM
Yeah I never was given the opportunity to refuse it... anyway I'm just trying to make sure I comprehend things. I appreciate your time guys.


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 3:30 PM
Was this refused to sign?


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:30 PM
Can you scan this and put it here ?


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 3:31 PM
If I have done anything to make you think I am a "smart dude", that would be a mistake, please forgive me


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:33 PM


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:34 PM
If you look at the bottom on the signature line where the person is supposed to promise to appear, he wrote refused. He wrote this ticket while I was in jail then threw it in with my property.


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 3:37 PM
Oh :-o Is that something LEGAL to do ? :/


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:38 PM
Yes. It's a speeding ticket.


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 3:39 PM
I think whoever is MATHEW WOLFE can only put shit on that line


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:39 PM
They want my person to fund their democracy.


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:40 PM
Yeah so the officer MUST be surety then. It sure as shit wasn't me. I was in jail at the time.


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 3:40 PM
I don't know....could have been any potato really


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 3:41 PM
Why did they put you in jail for speeding?


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:41 PM
True. I didn't see who signed it.


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:42 PM
They put me in jail for a no front license plate and a few other bs charges. None if which are arrestable offense


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:43 PM
I wouldn't answer their questions and asked if I had a 5th amendment right to remain silent and would anything I sat be used against me. That's when the cuffs went on. They wanted to prove a point to me. Set an example that we only accept debtor slaves in this town.


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 3:50 PM
So anyway I think what they think justifies my arrest is the refused on the signature line. They take you to jail here if you won't promise to appear. They take you in front of the judge right then, but I never saw a judge. They held me for ransom until my wife paid their ransom. I wasn't a creditor and didn't know any of this shit then so I signed everything under duress so they would let me out of jail. They stole my truck to. It was on private property and they impounded it. So I'm treating this ticket separately from the arrest. How I handle this arrest is still on the table but I need to handle this ticket so my person doesn't lose its permission to drive. It has a cdl and a job and the like.


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 3:53 PM
Did a BOND CLERK show up to take the ransom payment?


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:00 PM
I don't know. My wife paid the ransom when I was in jail. I didn't even know she was bailin me out


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 4:01 PM
Scott Duncan...did his wife sign as the party with SURETY to CLAIM her PROPERTY?


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 4:07 PM
No Chris Evan, she acted as a good wife, she brought her OWNER'S money to free her OWNER :D


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 4:08 PM
I am reading this, and I am trying to figure out, WHERE is the injured party in all this huge mess :D


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:08 PM
Am I her owner?


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 4:09 PM
Coverture....as soon as this blows over, you should read this group


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:09 PM
There is no injured party.


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 4:09 PM
Are you two married ?


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 4:09 PM
His wife works in a BANK!!! :-D


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:10 PM
We are. Went it the court to get a common law marriage....then realized it's the same fucking thing. It's permission from the state to be wed.


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 4:11 PM
I see a lot of reading in Mathew's future! :-D


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:11 PM
What else is new! I read all the time. Now I know WHAT to read!


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 4:12 PM
What is that?


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:13 PM
For starters the information you and Jesse gave me.


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Chris Evan

Apr 25, 2014 4:13 PM
Yeah...and we got that HERE.


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:14 PM
Looks like I'm gonna spend a little .ore time in this group and a little less in that Sui juris group!


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 4:20 PM
I remember the original Sui Juris group. David Merril and the boys.


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:23 PM
Idk maybe. This one is rob Johnsons group.


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:23 PM
It helped me learn the basics.


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 4:51 PM
David Merril was one of the main posters with good clubhouse dissection ability and was quite knowledgeable on law. He's over somewhere else with Michael Joseph(?) now. My road, after many bumps, led here. I'm so happy!


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Mathew Wolfe

Apr 25, 2014 4:54 PM
Yeah me too. Being the creditor just makes more sense.


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 5:11 PM
I like things simple. The truth is simple. I get that here, a lot!


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Pete Daoust

Apr 25, 2014 5:20 PM
Fuck, I received this email :D How are you today, I am waiting for you to provide your name address, to enable us transfer your US$2.000.000.00 to you you will pay $115 to enable lawyer sign your files Mrs. Email: ideal68511@yahoo.co.jp


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Howard Posehn

Apr 25, 2014 5:23 PM
Tell them, sorry, I'm on vacation. Lots of cool chicks here, too! Hellooo's


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David Johansen

Apr 26, 2014 10:12 AM
never reply back to any of those. it proves your email is a valid acct. and you'll get hundreds more...


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Steve Lemieux

Apr 26, 2014 4:54 PM
Being a creditor in commerce requires discipline, a TON OF IT. You need to know this shit inside and out, enough to know - ONLY ASK QUESTIONS and NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION from ANYONE in the public jurisdiction. Why is it that "gurus" such as Gordon Hall, Tim Turner and Dean Clifford all ended up in jail? They failed the test at SOME level and became the trustees; SURETY was pinned to them by way of something they said or an action they did - PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Let's remember these guys are attempting to AWAKEN the public and have HUGE targets on their backs; THERE IS NO room for error if you decide to wear those shoes. You can AFV or administrate ANY process but if you ACT like a debtor, you HAVE NO CHANCE in ANY success. The public has attacked Brandon Adams many times, unsuccessfully, he's as solid as they get; that's why he's NOT in jail and STILL continues to teach - same goes for Winston Shrout. These 2 guys are the ONLY "teachers" I've come across who have stood the "test", besides maybe Scott, who appears to keep a low profile in terms of "teaching". I don't call what Menard does "teaching". Success in ANY administrative process is not in the paperwork, it is in the intent, conviction, understanding and comunication, that's why the NOM is FUCKING USELESS unless you truly understand it and what it does in regards to the legal trust. Do you think Scott Duncan or Brandon Adams need the NOM filed to get the point accross in some fucking court case they might happen to be dragged into? I don't fucking think so! Peace


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Pete Daoust

Apr 26, 2014 5:09 PM
Who's Brandon Adams ?


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Chris Evan

Apr 26, 2014 5:11 PM
a guru...one of the Creditors in Commerce guys. Although he got roughed up recently


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Pete Daoust

Apr 26, 2014 5:14 PM
Ho... :-\


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Anibal Jose Baez

Apr 26, 2014 5:29 PM
CIC. isn't that a little group of people that charges money to a bunch of free-bumbrers that ALL want "something for nothing"? Oh yeah, those guys.


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Anibal Jose Baez

Apr 26, 2014 5:31 PM
Be a creditor, just pay a $3000USD seminar, and a $19.99 monthly subscription, and you'll be all set. Hahaha! FREE-DUMB!


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Pete Daoust

Apr 26, 2014 5:34 PM
Since I am NOT the disciplined type of guy, can I ask Steeve Contributing Beneficiary, Being a creditor in commerce requires discipline, a TON OF IT......can you name me ONE of that ton of disciplines I have to acquire ? Please... :(


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Anibal Jose Baez

Apr 26, 2014 5:49 PM
I think Pete, as a creditor in commerce, you have to go to the gym at least twice a day. I can't take it. A lot of discipline involved.


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Pete Daoust

Apr 26, 2014 5:50 PM
I think, the ONLY thing I need to do, is tell the truth.... :/


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Pete Daoust

Apr 26, 2014 5:51 PM
If I tell lies, I'll definitely will hear about it :D


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Steve Lemieux

Apr 26, 2014 5:58 PM
The truth MIGHT set you free Pete - question is, who's truth are we speaking of? Some people's truths I'd steer away from...


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Pete Daoust

Apr 26, 2014 6:02 PM
who's truth are we speaking of? : The only one that exist ! :/ , not mine, not yours, but THE truth.....the REALITY, which sometimes, I don't like, and sometimes I like...... Some people's lies, I'd steer away from...but if it's the truth....no matter who says it, it's still the truth ? ...no ? :/


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Pete Daoust

Apr 26, 2014 6:03 PM
I am either a FREE man, or a SLAVE.....no ?? :(


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Pete Daoust

Apr 26, 2014 6:09 PM
Grey zones are for LAWYERS, I am NOT one of them, so it's either BLACK or WHITE, I don't accept anything else, and I am very disciplined about that :D


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Anibal Jose Baez

Apr 26, 2014 6:11 PM
Pete, if not acting completely under a private trust, the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR is the other most reasonable position to assume. If all it's surety, and accounting, as the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR: we can't be surety, we have PROOF of who is surety, we know were the surety is, we know what to give in consideration to settle the accounting, we know how to give instructions via notices to administrate all this. Would they come out, and "show us the chains"? :D I really want to see what I'm getting in response for my first administration stuff. :D


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Scott Duncan

May 13, 2014 8:54 PM
Shit-stains never stop coming. Nobody bothers to read back.


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David Johansen

May 14, 2014 4:41 AM
new people might not know they can/duty look back [DEW tt4l homework].


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