The Tender For Law

Volume 5

Mar 30, 2014 11:54 PM

Question about lawyers.....my understanding is that they are NOT employees of the corporations they may work for....that they work more in terms of a special agreement type of situation. Is this correct?

I've had one swear up and down that he is an employee, his employee status being no different to that of a customer service employee. So let's just say he was telling the truth, would the "employee" status mean that he would no longer be protected by limited liability?

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Dean Kory

I asked the Justice who the man sitting next to me was,He stated it was the "Court Appointed Lawyer" and so I then asked for him to identify himself, he stood and stated his name and credentials. I then asked the Court how this man can effectively cross examine the Crown witness when he has no knowledge of my side and that this "Lawyer"has made no effort to contact me prior to the hearing.The "Lawyer stood again and said he made efforts to contact me through mail and by phone with no success. I called bull shit! What a dog and pony show! lol!

Dean Kory

So the Justice gave us 15 min. to discuss things and when the "Lawyer and I exited the courtroom he stopped 2 officers and asked them to keep an eye on us because he was afraid, didn't trust me and thought that I was dangerous and violent. I put several questions to him to ask the witness and he didn't ask any of the key questions that would have exposed the witness as a liar!

Pete Daoust

Hey Lawyer, if you want to REPRESENT the person named DEAN KORY in this court, you need to put your signature on a piece of paper that said:

I WILL REVEAL TO THAT COURT, "EVERYTHING" the Man Dean Kory will reveal to me....

:P

Chris Evan

Gail...."In return, the principal must make a full disclosure of all information relevant to the transactions that the agent is authorized to negotiate and pay the agent either a prearranged commission, or a reasonable fee established after the fact."

Pete Daoust

Here, in Quebec ( I am sure it's the same in Ontario) Lawyers have a confidentiality Oath, over some encoumbrant stuff, like the person being something I have, they can't talk about that stuff in court, they need "ME" to be a PESRON in court......so by signing that kind of shit, I have mentionned above, they are putting themselves in a NOT WANTED position, hence they are a bunch a LIARS :D

Chris Evan

Accounting A system of recording or settling accounts in financial transactions; the methods of determining income and expenses for tax and other financial purposes. Also, one of the remedies available for enforcing a right or redressing a wrong asserted in a lawsuit.

August le Blanc

Clubhouse shit... From criminal code of Canada.

�internationally protected person�

� personne jouissant d�une protection internationale �

�internationally protected person� means

(a) a head of state, including any member of a collegial body that performs the functions of a head of state under the constitution of the state concerned, a head of a government or a minister of foreign affairs, whenever that person is in a state other than the state in which he holds that position or office,

(b) a member of the family of a person described in paragraph (a) who accompanies that person in a state other than the state in which that person holds that position or office,

(c) a representative or an official of a state or an official or agent of an international organization of an intergovernmental character who, at the time when and at the place where an offence referred to in subsection 7(3) is committed against his person or any property referred to in section 431 that is used by him, is entitled, pursuant to international law, to special protection from any attack on his person, freedom or dignity, or

(d) a member of the family of a representative, official or agent described in paragraph (c) who forms part of his household, if the representative, official or agent, at the time when and at the place where any offence referred to in subsection 7(3) is committed against the member of his family or any property referred to in section 431 that is used by that member, is entitled, pursuant to international law, to special protection from any attack on his person, freedom or dignity;

So a lawyer with an LLP Corp, acting as representative, is a protected person... Deleware is calling.

August le Blanc

I prefer accepted and VOID. I am not qualified to play in their clubhouse... I understand that now. An internationally recognized entity, I trust offers that. In terms created by the constitution and or private charter. ( Which has been accepted by previous correspondence.) Correct? The front line thugs do not care... It is cause for them to administer a beating... They label it as freedumb shit. So to me, the only option is to void all previous and current offers.

Pete Daoust

Doing the ACCOUNTING is a process that should BALANCE the book, and the books needs to reach ZERO, at one point.......since this is a DEBT system we are living in, the book will show a DEBT at the end of the accounting process........so a SURETY is needed to SETTLE that debt, so the books can be BALANCED.........

WHERE IS THE SURETY ?? :D

Michael A Rivera

There are slave puppets there who are goofing at the Notice of Mistake, cause they haven't seen it work. Wish they would see mine and then shut their mouths up for good. Dean should have sent it to the judge before the hearing and avoid being in the courtroom. The bastards will lie and deceive till their deaths before admitting in the courtroom the truth.

Derek Hill

What I DID was to back up the notice of mistake with various definitions and various citations from ontario annual practice, corpus juris sanctum. if you attach those as exhibits and present it, it will be MUCH harder because they will know you did the homework and not just rip it from the net.

Chris Evan

"any member of a collegial body that performs the functions of a head of state under the constitution of the state concerned"

So a lawyer with an LLP Corp, acting as representative, is a protected person... Deleware is calling.

Bobis Youruncle....I don't see how you made this connection. Can you add anything to this?

David Johansen

you can look metal content of american and canadian coins on coinflation.com

"Therefore, the U.S. citizens [citizens of the District of Columbia] residing in one of the states of the union, are classified as property and franchises of the federal government as an "individual entity." Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Fox, 298 U.S. 193, 80 L.Ed. 1143, 56 S.Ct. 773.

your person is company property, they are just doing there job of ACCOUNTING.

Chris Evan

Although this is...."In the case of tangible property, the ancient maxim, which had its origin when personal property consisted in the main of articles appertaining to the person of the owner, yielded in modern times to the 'law of the place where the property is kept and used.' "

ARTICLE APPERTAINING TO THE PERSON OF THE OWNER. :-D

David Johansen

i dont know, i copied it from a post that David Johnson listed. which ofcourse thanking chris for proof reading the case stating the quote is not there, makes one have to question the whole rest of what was posted... we cant be misquoting this shit. that's spreadng a shitstain clusterfuck.

Chris Evan

That quote is all over a bunch of Paytriot websites. It is not in the case though....maybe it was and took out? Who knows? Who cares? It's their club. I just know that there is NO remedy hidden in their stupid cases and laws. I stopped looking.

David Johansen

well chris, my point is they provide some kind of evidence and/or proof of the BS which kind of makes the whole thing a negative presumption which is impossible to disprove. this is probably a good thing to create a whole new thread upon for us to talk about, but here it is anyways:

An American consenting to the citizenship created by the 14th Amendment, a "US citizen", (most Americans today) does not have any rights. They are outlaws to the republics as founded in this Union and are treated as such. One's citizenship issue must be addressed first, before one can expect 2nd Amendment protection. Or any unalienable Right protection.

"...the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States do not necessarily include all the rights protected by the first eight amendments to the Federal constitution against the powers of the Federal government." Maxwell v Dow, 20 S.C.R. 448, at pg 455;

"The only absolute and unqualified right of a United States citizen is to residence within the territorial boundaries of the United States," US vs. Valentine 288 F. Supp. 957

"Therefore, the U.S. citizens [citizens of the District of Columbia] residing in one of the states of the union, are classified as property and franchises of the federal government as an "individual entity." Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Fox, 298 U.S. 193, 80 L.Ed. 1143, 56 S.Ct. 773.

�A �US Citizen� upon leaving the District of Columbia becomes involved in �interstate commerce�, as a �resident� does not have the common-law right to travel, of a Citizen of one of the several states.� Hendrick v. Maryland S.C. Reporter�s Rd. 610-625. (1914)

David Johansen

IF all this were true to form, which apparently it is not as chris pointed out one of them is not, I (we) could just tell the U.S. to go fuck off, failure of whole disclosure voids everything ab initio, I (we) can USE all there shit without charge/cost and they cant do a fucking thing about it, and since there is no legetimate sherriff we HAVE to all carry side arms to protect ourselves from THEM.

yes i am kind of getting tired of all the BS and cant think straight to get the things i WANT to do done and/or atleast worked on.

David Johansen

Yes Chris Evan you are correct, the paragraph is not in the case, but it is in the buck act which is the Soc.Sec. program, a federal benefit. and wheeling v fox makes it a taxable benefit which makes it legal for the federal income tax to be applied to an individual residing within a state. ironically the case was 1933, several years before the buck act passed.

woe the web woven into place. it is as if they have an ultimate agenda specifically targeted to become fruit and the tree is being engineered from underneath to meet that specific fruit's purpose/production.

http://www.knowthelies.com/node/7469

David Johansen

i BELIEVE the notice of mistake creates a sepperation of/between the man from the person, and the government is void from interacting and/or recognizing a man and can only interact with a legal 'paper' person.

Pete Daoust

Notice of Mistake removes SURETY from "me", and put it at the RIGHT place, which bring a very embarrassing matter that needs to be fix for them, and instead of facing the TRUTH, they rather dismiss the matter and find another fucktard that will accept being surety :D

Chip Douglas

"Why do Ontario lawyers who steal rarely go to jail?".....Thomas Conway, Treasurer of the Law Society of Upper Canada, said solicitor-client privilege prevents the organization from reporting lawyers to police.

..im guessing you have a better answer than Thomas Conway, Scott?

http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1022986/why-do-ontario-lawyers-who-steal-rarely-go-to-jail/

Scott Duncan

OK: LISTEN UP! Regarding QUATLOOS - Pay Attention I see mention of various citations of your collective/individual idiocy; I dare say they are much NICER about it than I am. You might keep that in mind. They'll mention Menard, and Clifford, and some probably see my writing as a "Guilty Pleasure".

...but they have NO CLUE what to make of me, so they are wisely QUIET about it, until they have the information they need to "fill in the gaps". They came to the right place! It turns out that I'm REALLY good at that shit!

This group must raise questions with them!

They "Look for the Store": Sound advice. It costs nothing to start a Blog. You don't need a fucking store to tell the truth...

...but I am not selling anything.

They look for the discouragement of critical thought, and the introduction of some "ancient" or "magic" "Knowledge" and "wisdom" that ONLY I CAN TEACH!

...seriously? Pete Daoust can teach with his own KNOWLEDGE. How hard can it be? ...so I don't do any of THAT. In fact I DEMAND critical thought. These aren't LAWYERS. These are men an women who think EXACTLY like me. These are people who COME INTO THE DEBATE KNOWING THEY BELIEVE BULLSHIT! IT'S WHY THEY ARE CRITICAL THINKERS! THIS IS THE PEER REVIEW YOU WANT!

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU WANT CHALLENGING ME! These people actually practice critical thought! As you may have seen, some are not very good at it, but the REST OF THEM ARE!

Like it or not, anything you feel about me is STILL "faith" and "belief". You aren't qualified to "trust" yet. A select few have put in the work to be able to see how important this is. These are people who QUESTION. Get THEM to discover that the questions they ask are making people in power uncomfortable.

I don't need to convince Tony "Sounds-like-he's-got-a-dick-in-his-mouth" Butros of anything. He wouldn't know critical thought if it slapped him in the face.

WE ALL want to convince these guys. LET THEM COME. These are your future friends. They will be your teachers too.

It turns out they have a GROUP dedicated to Guru$! I think I'll join!

TEN QUATLOOS ON THE NEWCOMER! :D

...I think you should too. Just keep your fucking noise-holes shut.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/441314415949645

Rick Hiltz

Lawyers work for the law society period they are bound by it they can never fully protect your or their clients rights because if they did so they could end up disbarred for doing so . Every lawyer works under duress of disbarment for violating law society regulations and above all else the lawyers duty is to protect the law society

David Grant

IM learning as time goes on ""YES"" but the problem being I live in BC the WARRANTS are in AB , I was told if I get pulled over here in BC I would be facing more problems, like towing my truck, hauling me to jail then DEPORTING me to AB , Its not a good feeling what I am going threw .

Scott Duncan

337. Every one who, being or having been employed in the service of Her Majesty in right of Canada or a province, or in the service of a municipality, and entrusted by virtue of that employment with the receipt, custody, management or control of anything, refuses or fails to deliver it to a person who is authorized to demand it and does demand it is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

Jason Lerato

Keep in mind when I wrote this it was with deans teaching.

It was along the lines of this. Me stating who I am in law eyes being sole administrator of the person and stating who he was...nothing but a public servant and who did he think he was ordering me to file this or sign that or appear here or there.

Then I went to state the rules from here on. That in no terms will I fill out papers or appear anywhere without a high fee. $100,000 per letter or appearance. Then I went to say if he thought I was kidding I would file a ppsa lean against everything he owns including his bar license. (Again this was deans leading at the time). There was more than that but long of short this is what I said. Within 24 he let go of my ex

Jason Lerato

In fact here it is. I found it. Perhaps it's wrong according to what I'm learning here. But here it is

September 14, 2011 THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD From: Administrator, Beneficiary and Executor of the estate known to you, the public trustee, as JASON :FRIESEN Kerry Unrau, Public Servant and Public Trustee, This is regarding your request to see my paystubs, tax returns and letters from employers. Please be advised that I don�t have any such things and don�t get any such things. I exchange my labor for whatever financial consideration in a private manner and it is none of your or anybody else�s business. Further, I am the Administrator/Executor/Director of my corporation and estate and all associated affairs and accounts known as JASON FRIESEN (corporation according to Blacks Law Dictionary which you are well aware of) Are you trying to administrate my affairs? Have you written permission from the Administrator to administer my affairs? Are you not a trustee? Are you not a public servant? Do you not answer to Administrators such as myself? Who are you to give me any orders? If my X-wife hired you for help, why are you coming to me? Why don�t you just deal with her matters and handle it like a Trustee should? Also further be advised that if you wish to continue to do business with me, I have terms and conditions and a FEE Schedule. My time has value. I am the beneficiary administrator and executor, and you being a public trustee and If you call one more hearing against JASON FRIESEN without my written consent my Fee is $100,000 and I will charge it straight to your law license and I will lean it. To follow will be an Affidavid. To respond to any more of your tripe letters my fee is $100,000.00 per occurrences. To provide ANY information to you my fee is $100,000.00 per occurrence. To attend court, hearing, case conference or any meeting with you of any kind, $100,000.00 will be the fee. My Fee Schedule is much more comprehensive and I will not include it here at this time but be assured that any contact with you is going to cost financially to you. Do you still wish to do business with me? Furthermore, about the life insurance policy that you claimed without contacting me, that I had to keep paying? And about the so called �arrears�. I will leave her the beneficiary in exchange for the so called back payments of child support or alimony otherwise she gets nothing since its not lawful what your demanding. Also, I have it in written form from Lendra Friesen NOT LENDRA FRIESEN stating that she has agreed to the total sum of $492.00/month for child support on September 13th, 2011 at 7:17pm which is based on my current income and based on the current Manitoba Child Support table. You can do the math based on that as to what I make at my job. She has agreed to that and NOTHING more per month. In other words NO arrears or any other silly fees. Also, let it be known that I as administrator, beneficiary and executor will not be paying any court costs as this is the peoples court, not the other way around. We as adults can settle all issues outside of court. It is Lendra�s wish and mine to settle these matters asap in a private setting. You can be there as long as you know you are a public servant and nothing more. I move we sit down and settle these matters October 22nd, 2011. You, Kerry Unrau, Lendra Friesen, Myself and another person of my choosing as witness. Location will be at the office of Neil Friesen & Associates located on 1600 Regent Ave West at 2pm. At this meeting we will all put to close the matter of divorce and the separation of the two corporations known as JASON FRIESEN and LENDRA FRIESEN. There will no longer be any reason to meet after this date for any reason. Make it known that it is clear I am motioning to settle this matter in a professional manner in line with the rights as the Administrator, Beneficiary and Executor and according to law, not acts and statutes which have no bearing on a man under Gods law. Make it known that all monthly payments will be made through my bank account to Lendra Friesens account directly No third party involvement since that is also not law abiding but rather a statute which has no bearing. Respond within 14 days to agree to terms and conditions. Thank you _____________________________________________________ ADMINISTRATOR, EXECUTOR and BENEFICIARY Jason Friesen (notice small caps letters, not CAPS which Is the corporation)