Maybe you could start by the begining, and give the opportunity to those who sent you this bill, to give you a hand on how to COMPLETE that bill, so there won't be any defect on the instrument.... Now. that is doing something in GOOD FAITH ;-)

Have you really said that ? :D We are pleased to hear that you wish to settle your account by paying the outstanding balance in fuIl.

I really think folks should retract the word PAYING of their vocabulary.......especially when they are not even sure they want to BUY something. Before I can PAY for something, I need to have made the decision to BUY that something......Buying ALWAYS come before PAYING, I use to PAY for stuff that I didn't even knew I was buying.... A public debt needs to be bought back, before it gets PAID.

Thanks Pete, I will ask if he (signatory party) could help us complete the Bill he sent. I agree about the use of the "paying" word, that is his words, I wrote them explaining that we are wishing to administrate a Bill for the account if we are provided with one. With your knowledge of what qualifies a Bill of Exchange, would you consider the posted document a Bill of Exchange? We received a "statement" along with the posted document, and his language clearly, again, is an offer for us to be surety. I will, again, correct our intent with a wish for us to receive instruction on how to properly complete the Bill.

I have to see that statement......he is TRAPPING you into this..... If you NEVER said that: We are pleased to hear that you wish to settle your account by paying the outstanding balance in fuIl. Then he is LYING to you....period.

The document stated "we wish to have the account settled. We hereby demand you send us a BILL for the balance owing for the PERSONS' ACCOUNT. We promise to administrate all debts attached to any BILLS we receive from you." I will refrain from using the word "settled" in subsequent documents. To me, I did not state; however, that I would settle the account. But that is the content of the letter that the above post was generated from.

The ONLY thing I can do, is ADMINISTRATE.....I can NOT settled these things......in fact, this matter will be SETTLED, when they will present the completed BoE to the DRAWEE, (Bank of Canada)

did not use "Pay" and did inform him that we would not buy back debt.

what is your opinion of treating the posted document as a Bill of Exchange?

And yes, a letter will accompany it!

Please, scan that satement you received....

And if they choose to NOT present the completed BoE to Bank of Canada, well, the matter will be SETTLED anyway, according to article 84 of the Bill of Exchange Act. :P :D :D

I'll post front and back of "statement" for your viewing.

You need to communicate again with this liar, and tell him Hey, we NEVER said we will buy back this public debt and pay for it, we are seeking for a BILL, so we can ADMINISTRATE that debt, as the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR for the person to whom you've sending the said debt. We NEED a statement, and a remittance voucher to do this, and you are OBLIGED to send us this. If you choose to NOT send us the appropriate tools to ADMINISTRATE that debt, we will consider that there is NO DEBT, and/or you are in bad faith, and/or you are lying to us, and/or you are hiding stuff from us, and/or you are incompetent. :P

That one is funny :D Payment options include "in person" at your financial institution You have to bring "the person" with you :D HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! :D

^^^ I saw that too....

It says you can pay by mail. Isn't payment signing the back etc...?

That's ADMINISTRATION Eamonn O Brien, not PAYMENT,

Doesn't the term administration cover payment/purchase etc... ?

"Payment" is illegal, Eamonn O Brien! :P

I told the Enbridge Gas ombudsman that yesterday...she laughed at me and called me ridiculous lol

As soon as "payment" is legal, I'll have my PERSON pay for stuff. So for now, my PERSON does not like to do illegal stuff. Mahaha! :D

Have you recorded that, Gail Marie ?

No :/

Well, Mackximus Minimus, if the person use MONEY OF ACCOUNT, it's TOTALLY legal to PAY for whatever :D ....no ?? :/

Gail Marie, you are a mediocre administrator :P

hehe

I need some software for recording

I don't TALK on the phone with ANY of these idiots, the rare time I do, I tell them I am recording the call, and I ask them for an email address so I can email them a copy of the call, for their file.... :P

No ONE is laughing at me, never :P

she apologized to me for laughing

And is someone offers the PERSON I happen to have in my pocket to buy PUBLIC DEBT, tell them it's illegal to "pay" for public debt, but if they send me a BILL, I'll will intermediately ADMINISTRATE the shit out of that by way of DISCHARGE via the PERSON'S SURETY. :D

Oh well, in that case, I guess it's ok :-o

lol

Pete, I was under the impression that to PAY was illegal. What am I missing? :/

Again Mackximus Minimus, if you DECIDE to buy BACK this debt (It was already bought), and pay with MONEY OF ACCOUNT, it's completely legal......other than that, you can offer cash (They can't take it) or CREDIT......and that CREDIT comes from "ME", via Bank of Canada :P

Clarified, thank you Captain!

payment is illegal....`payment`of a debt with debt is not payment?

payment`of a debt with debt is ILLEGAL YOU NEED TO transform CASH (Bank notes) into MONEY OF ACCOUNT to pay a debt......because MONEY OF ACCOUNT is nothing :( THAT'S why they want PERSONS to have a fucking bank account, and that's WHY PIERRE DAOUST dosen't have a fucking BANK ACCOUNT :D

You can have all the cash you want, but DON'T TRANSFORM this cash INTO MONEY OF ACCOUNT.....tranfor it into crypto-currency :D

So signing the back etc is discharging with credit... Payment is using money of account to buy back a debt?

I thought I had this figured out... :(

If I walk into a bank to settle a loan with cash only, can my PERSON be DENIED to pay in cash? Isn't Refusal of payment, acceptance?

The bank will exchange it to money of account...

Close the bank accounts :P and find a way to roll without one, only CORPORATION should have bank accounts, these persons, we happen to have in our pockets, are fucking SLAVES.....when have you seen SLAVES having bank accounts ?

The tax office doesn't have that facility on hand so don't want to deal with cash...

I don't have a b/a

Well, Mackximus Minimus, regarding that loan, have you read the terms and conditions ? :D

The thing that sticks in my mind was back when Suil Eile had the signed response from the courts affirming the receipt of his NoM. Scott said "You owed them so you paid them"... That still confuses me unfortunately...

Well, of course you don't have a bank account Eamonn O Brien, you need to be a PERSON to have one of these :P

But WHY would my PERSON accept to become surety on some check, when I am already tendering payment, and someone else is the surety? They can't FORCE my PERSON to do that. There is something there, I just can't put my finger to it.

But WHY would my PERSON accept to become surety on some check What ??? :/

Well, its a response to Eamonn O Brien's comment, he said that if I walk in a bank to settle a loan with just cash, they will turn it into money of account, a check, that they will give back to ME, thinking I'm surety, because I need to SIGN it. When in the CASH, my PERSON is NOT surety for those bills. You get it now? How can a bank force my PERSON to turn cash into money of account? I don't see guns there.

Here's that thread I mentioned...

Mackximus Minimus, they can't, unless you have a contratct with them that says so... :P

I think it's ILLEGAL for the bank to tell me that I cannot pay with CASH.

Eamonn O Brien, sue eli paid with CREDIT, in that case, using his SIGNATURE....

Hang on Pete... You said to pay (paid) was with money of account, buying the debt back and credit was discharging... Did Suil Eile discharge or pay?

MY SIGNATURE = CREDIT, we are CREDITORS......

Signature authorises Central Bank to create credit on the Suil Eile account and that in turn balances the drawers books....

ONLY THE SURETY can discharge a debt, SUE ELI is NOT the surety, Sue Eli is the CREDITOR, so he used his signature to create CREDIT, so the surety could discharge that DEBT

Something like that :D

HAHAHAHA!!!!

That's how I understood it to start. Right I'm off... Music to play, pints to drink :D

Have fun

I said we must look CREDIT in term of ACCOUNTING, not "money". :D That way, it MAKES sense.

I think EVERYTHING is about SURETY and ACCOUNTING......oh wait ?... :P

So Captain Pete, would it be accurate to say: Credit is for CREDITORS (man), and SURETY is for DEBTORS (persons)?

Oh yes... :D

ALL credits are created by "ME", so that person, I happen to have in my pocket, is in DEBT to "ME", forever :D

I have a "slave" in my pocket, litteraly :-o

Now, WHO is the MASTER of this slave, could it be "ME" Scott Duncan ? :/

Master = Lawful holder....