Haha! She is trained to LIE. That contract is a PROMISSORY NOTE. Well, let's look at the definition, and see what we find: <<When the amount due on the note, including interest and penalties (if any) is paid, the note must be cancelled and surrendered to the person(s) who signed it. >> If you go to a bank, and give them some gold to hold, while you "re-pay" them some money lent, at the end of you "re-paying" the loan: how can the bank come say "sorry, we are not returning your gold, it has been destroyed. The "law" said we had to!"? You see? The same thing applies here. Of course, creditors don't cry. If the note is not returned, send them an INVOICE. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/promissory+note

I think you have only 3 years to make a claim, otherwise it would be assumed "abandoned".

Well she really told me "after 5 years" and she "was surprised they still had it in their VAULT" ? She said she added a note on file to keep the original they had past May 5 as per my request... Hopefully I can have something worked out by then... I'll try to word something up to claim "THEIR" copy, since I no longer have the one they gave to the PERSON, and even if it's THEIR copy, I signed and I fulfilled that contract, so I guess it's pretty obvious I still am the one who gave the value to whatever copy of that contract may exist... So I just picked up those papers... I read somewhere someone said their was only our signature on those promissory notes... Mine has the bank employee too ; as a witness I guess... Time to figure this one out...

Will

"An ex parte order to seize the funds" From who this ex parte order shall come from ? :/

An ex-parte order is from a Judge is my understanding. If you bring a valid claim to a court without summoning the other party the judge may award an ex-parte order in your favour... Scott has done it twice successfully if I'm not mistaken... I'd imagine the other party has to be in default of their responsibility to return the note or value thereof before seeking an ex-parte order...

Ex-Parte orders are ALWAYS initiated by MOTION.

So you never lien them Scott Duncan?

I don't. An authorized agent of Roguesupport Inc does.

Thats not really what I was trying to ask. So the process is 1) Notice to return 2) Bill them 3) Statement of account 4) Notice of default or lien? 5) Ex parte order through a court?

Motioning the court as the plaintiff in PERSON is what the court is for and not a bad thing though yes?

who do YOU want to motion? no need to motion the rapist, hence the lien. as for the lien, go big or go home

David Vilaca gets it.

"An authorized agent of Roguesupport Inc" I guess that can be anyone Scott, authorized by the share holders, of course :)

Will Bed, You are an authorized agant of 9111-1111 Quebec Inc. As of now :-D

XXXXXXQCINC is still on my to do list... Weird enough you mention it, I woke up with that in mind this morning...

Yah....I am into telepathic shit, ask Chris Evan.... :-D

I have no idea what he is talking about Will

Maybe Chris Evan can ba an authorized agent, ho why not Scott Duncan :-D you could practice your Frenglish Scott :-D

I could, but you would need to provide me with identification as such....

So by motioning the court you're asking them for the ex-parte order to seize the funds... The fact that the other party are in default leaves no argument against the motion...

I would think that the "other party" would have some period of time to contest the ex parte judgement made without their presence just as in a foreclosure?

I don't know Steve. I don't see them having much of an argument if they've been given plenty of opportunity to respond to the invoice, statement and notice and now lie in default... I don't speak from experience however so I'm just speculating...

Scott Duncan is it necessary to create a corp to lien or is it secure to do it as I did as authorized administrator for STEVEN?

Curious to know as well ? This looks like it's gonna be a pretty solid learning experience...

That may well be true Eamonn. When banks foreclose they use the same process.. they show you are default and then get a judgement against you in your absence but I know you still have a narrow window of opportunity to defend that final judgement

That would be an opportunity to settle the matter privately I'd imagine? Either way the party in default must pay... <----- And yes that rhymes... :p

Three distorted chords along with that rhyme Eamonn and your a rockstar!

Pete Daoust, I guess I'm confused again... And that's why I still haven't created a XXXXXXQCINC yet... Why wouldn't the PERSON with the bank account claim the security instrument which it gave to the bank to create the principal and which the bank is supposed to give back to that very PERSON ? Why would it need another PERSON to do it ? Why couldn't that PERSON invoice the bank directly ? The PERSON in my pocket does have a business#, it's not INC but it's been producing valid invoices for 15 years now ?

You need to contact the bank in the capacity of creditor, the same capacity you acted in when you signed the note. You signed the contract as debtor. I don't see why you shouldn't claim the principal back through the bank account person. Why involve any other persons? Again, Scott is your man as he's done this twice...

That's in the CASE that if I give power of attorney to 9111-1111 Quebec Inc, to take care of the BUSINESS of PIERRE DAOUST.

If you, Will Bed, is an authorized agent for 9111-1111 Quebec Inc, you could have fun with PIERRE DAOUST's business, and I could have fun with WILLIAM B�DARD's business....you see ? :D

Well the PERSON was the debtor for the loan, but credited the security ? If the PERSON gave them a gold bar to be returned when the loan contract is fulfilled, the PERSON can claim the gold bar as the CREDITOR of the gold bar, even if it was debtor of the loan ??

Do I really wanna have fun with Pete Daoust's business ? Do we really have fun with each other's businesses ??

^^^^exactly!!!

Yeah ! Seems to me like those mofos are the debtors now, as they are the ones who owe the damn gold bar / security paper, they are the ones with a debt, if they stand in dishonour in that contract, so where am I thinking this wrong, if at all ?? Doesn't mean I don't wanna create a PERSON i can trust as well, just wanna to keep it as simple and clear as possible...

I think the important part to remember is what capacity you act in in relation to the person at the time of signing... You could include on the invoice... On the x day of x I signed a promissory note and gave it to your bank for lodgement. I am now seeking the return of said note or the value thereof as all contractual obligations have been met. State your capacity when signing the invoice... Something like that... :D

Is the 'gold bar' the Promissory Note that was signed or the actual Bank Notes?

It would be the promissory note. I'm not familiar with the internal process after you sign it and they lodge it to create funds... The ex-parte order is to seize the funds not the note itself so they would have to credit the account is my guess...

The gold bar was the Promissory Note... Here's something I wrote them (best english translation I can come up with right now) : If you claim you have the right to, without my consent, deprive me and/or dispose of this security for which I am the sole creditor, and consequently, for which I hold all equity, and/or if you claim you have to right to unilaterally decide to keep and/or not return the original promissory note and/or that the Law prohibits you from returning it and/or states that you and/or someone else must destroy it without my consent and against my will, I request that you provide me within 10 days with the Law to which you are referring to as it would violate the definition of a promissory note and I, to the best of my knowledge, never consented to give you authority to do so.

Thats what I thought....then if they don't have the Note because they...uhhhhhh....destroyed it (yeah ok), then we lien!

Well they TOLD ME they still have it in the VAULT. The law says they can't give it back. Must be destroyed. Then the law says they must send it TO A SPECIAL PLACE... WTF !? They gave me a *conformed* copy, but was it a *conformed* copy of a copy they kept for their records or the real thing, THAT only time will tell... I clearly told them I wish they keep it past May 5 (5 years) because they are now notified that I will be coming for it and they better have it when I show up.

This Rabbit guy seems to want to FUNK with banks :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwi5slYcITI

Will Bed, they are LYING to you. They will not reply back saying: "Shit, you've got us! :/ You discovered our secret conspiracy, here are the laws, so here is your gold back." You READ the definition of what a PROMISSORY NOTE is, you don't need to beg them to provide you with "laws", you don't beg to your rapist to provide you proof that he can rape you. They are the HOLDER IN DUE COURSE of YOUR PROMISSORY NOTE/GOLD. They are RESPONSIBLE for it. That is why they say they "keep it in a safe place". Just like they tell us to keep the BC "in a safe place". Send them a NOTICE with TERMS and CONDITIONS, explaining that, as the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR for XXXXXX, you are giving them have X amount of days to return the GOLD, or they can decide to KEEP the GOLD, conditionally that if they agree, you will send them an INVOICE to settle the DEBT they owe for keeping your gold/note. And as a COURTESY, just include that INVOICE there. You see, YOU are the CREDITOR, you have the upper hand, if you know your power. They are used for people beg others to solve their problems. You, on the other hand, must see YOU as the ONLY party that can settle something for you. You have the tools. If not, you'll end-up soliciting services, and you know what that means. You keep something from me, and don't want to give it back? Don't create controversy, agree by sending an INVOICE. Fuckem'. The ball is in THEIR court now. Then just follow the steps to end-up with an ex-parte order. This is just my thoughts about it.

AND, DON'T SING THE NOTICE! Don't be a moran, I mean, a moron.

I should translate the whole thing... it goes on to say : If ever you couldn't prove your affirmations within 10 days, I request the original document to be returned within 10 days. I ever you couldn't comply with this request, I will consider you being of bad faith and/or will be seeking compensation for the total value of that security the PERSON is consequently damaged.

NO!

( ? )

It' has to be SIMPLE and CLEAR. Hold on, I'll give an example now...

You are the BOSS Will, act like one, I think this is where Mackximus Minimus is going with this :)

I know it's easier to say than to do, because of the "SLAVE MENTALITY" programming we've been taught......but it's the truth :/

Well, that was a "thanks i got your copy, but i absolutely want the original so return it" letter... Maybe they will comply hahahaha who knows ?

i absolutely want the original.....what would a BOSS do, in this case ? :D

Let the employee go get it and give it to him, or go get it himself if it takes too long and fire the employee.

I am SO happy you've entered into this specific experiment Will Bed :) , you have no idea how happy I am :D

Cause if I have to go get it myself, THEN i'll need a PERSON I can trust to do it and charge them for it...

Why is that ?

Because I will benefit from it :P

If the Captain can benefit from my efforts, my pleasure !

Dear Vampires Bank: I am the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR for the PERSON XXXXXXXX. In the administration for the ACCOUNTING of XXXXXXX, we have found our LEDGER is UNBALANCED due to that the PROMISSORY NOTE # XXXXXX that YOU are the HOLDER ON DUE COURSE, has not been returned to original signatory party, XXXXXXX, after ACCOUNT # has been in fact settle, and closed in it's totality If this is a mistake, please forgive me. If not, you have 10 business days to return the PROMISSORY NOTE to ME, the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR (at such address), or you may choose to keep the PROMISSORY NOTE, conditionally that you settle the INVOICE included in this communication. Thank you for doing business at XXXXXX, and happy fuck-off! SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR for XXXXXXX (then, slap your cock in the paper, as your seal) This is not something perfect, but it's to give you an idea. I am sure Captain Pete could do a better job than this, but this is just for an idea. hope it helps.

Slap your cock on it... I can picture the banker getting a faint odour and sniffing the notice... Ha!

:D

A wise man said once: If it is not simple, you are doing it wrong. Oh, wait! :/ that's Scott Duncan! :D

Well... Pete Daoust read the french version and seemed to find it clear and simple enough - even he understood lol :P And thanks Mackximus Minimus ! So all this, you suggest I can do without a PERSON I trust ? And with an invoice from the PERSON which owns the account attached ?

I think you invoice them with the name of the person you happen to have in your pocket. Only PERSONS can be seen in that world of commerce. :P If you are not acting under a private trust (where a PROXY/CORPORATION acts as TRUSTEE), like Scott's situation, then it's better to act as the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR, and/or SOLE BENEFICIARY, depending on the situations. That way, the BC of the PERSON, gives the PERSON limited liability, like they have when performing as TRUSTEES, or as SOLE BENEFICIARY to detach yourself from ANY/ALL PUBLIC DOCUMENTS. You get it? That's what I think. That is what Pete is doing. Scott Duncan or Pete Daoust, please correct me if I'm wrong.

WILLIAM BED and the bank are the only persons involved...

What if the NOTE is dishonored? I assume the bank keeps it and keeps the Principal. For how long? Forever?

What do you mean by "if the note is dishonoured"? I don't get it, Chris Evan.

I mean if you don't pay it....what does the bank do if I don't fulfill my obligation....out of curiosity. I am sure they keep it....I am sure they benefit from it.

What if I don't live up to my obligation on a NOTE. What happens?

You die :P

They get to keep the GOLD. You broke your promise.

Of course....forever?

That's the moment when you will realize that you made a deal with gangsters, with guns, and they will keep the gold forever. :/

But, what if you are able to brake into their "safe place" and get a hold of the note: what are you going to do with it, sell it on Ebay? Walk into the first bank waving the thing? If they don't give the note back, let them keep it. It's PAPER. Better to INVOICE. Big boys don't cry!

I would ask for a certified check, instead of that note, but that's just me :/

Please make a certified check of $10,000.00 to 9111-1111 Quebec Inc, who are a TRUSTED person, that handles PIERRE DAOUST's shit :D

OR, show me a DISBURSEMENT proof :P

*proof of disbursement, sorry

proof of disbursement that you took that MONEY from another person, to lend it to MY person.....

If they can't show you that, well YOU HAVE CREATED THAT CREDIT, and it's YOUR'S :P

In other words: show PROOF that they lent you MONEY. And they NEVER did lend you money. It was YOU who EXTENDED CREDIT to them, and in TURN they offered you a SEPARATE deal called MORTGAGE, in which you agreed for your PERSON to be the DEBTOR in this new deal. :/ Did you filled out a DEBT application, or a CREDIT application? Muaahaha!

We signed BOTH, we extend credit in the "credit application" with OUR signature, and the go and sign as DEBTORS on the "closing day" for a separate deal. :(

Here how it seems to work You want a new car You show up at a BANK, and ask for CREDIT The bank verify if you can PRODUCE enough, to back that credit The bank ask for your signature, and put their signature on the contract Then the bank press the ENTER button on that computer keyboard, and some numbers appears on the screen. These numbers comes from nowhere. Now, the bank take that spanking new MONEY OF ACCOUNT, and transfers it to the car dealership. Then, every month, you come back to the bank to MATRIALIZE that credit, that was never existed before, and you give them their cut as well (Interest). At the end of this, ALL THAT CREDIT that you, with your time, brought back to this bank, is now REAL, you�ve materialized that thing, and the bank got PAID for helping you to do that (Interest). So, as the CREATOR of this CREDIT, you now have to ASK for it, because it�s YOUR�S�. :P Unless they can show you a DISBURSEMENT proof, that they�ve took that MONEY from another person.

Isn't the "note" if unaltered, assigned or deposited worth the face value as a deposit? If they have deposited it in their account for which it is no longer negotiable then a bank draft will suffice.

Is that what it is ??? ^^^^ :/

They can take that note and wipe their ass with it, I just want to have what's mine.....nothing less and nothing more.....That's all I want :P

Although all of this makes sense, how do you intend on enforcing this? Lets say you don't get to the lien phase because they challenge the Invoice. What clubhouse will you use?

Bottom line, you show me a disbursement proof, or you cut a check.....for the rest of the confusion/controversy, fuck off :P

That contract/PROMISSORY NOTE is MONEY of ACCOUNT. That one specific note, would work ONLY within their system, not out here. That is why that getting the note back is almost futile, for mere mortals, like us.

What do you do when someone is clearly commiting fraud ? Chris Evan

Shoot them

:-)

Each bank's branch has its lawyer, I want to see that lawyer, and I want to tell him the bottom line, and then he will have to figure that out......I will HOLD him liable for any shit he might come up with :P

are lawyers bonded?

something public you could lien?

Don't they have a BAR association ?

OSSGOOD HALL :)

derp http://www.osgoodehall.com/

nice place, this landmark of legal activity for over 160 years. fetch a goode doge on the market

Since 1840 Osgoode Hall has been co-owned by the Ontario Government and the Law Society. The Court of Appeal for Ontario, the Superior Court Of Justice and the Law Society of Upper Canada currently reside at Osgoode Hall.

Invoice....disputed invoice. Then....allege fraud? Yes?

I don't see it.

You don't see what ?

How you will get passed the disputed invoice

What disputed invoice ?....what the heck are you talking about ? :/

You ask for the note. They say no. You send can invoice. They dispute it. You proceed with a lien. They sue you for fraud or whatever. You accuse them of fraud. How do vyou plan on winning?

LOL.....I see a huge amount of anticipation there :D

Chris, that's not the process. :/

Dispute? :/

"Anticipation" is NOT reality, just saying, :P

Gotta see the playing field n

No?

Chris, you "win" before even going to war.

What war ?, what dispute?, fuck, I am asking for something that is mine, if I am MISTAKEN, and that thing is NOT mine, the one I am asking this thing from, will certainly prove that I am MISTAKEN ? No ?....no big deal, if I am wrong, I can live with it....

Send NOTICE with TERMS and CONDITIONS asking for them for the PROMISSORY NOTE, or that if they choose to keep it, they agree for you to just send them a BILL. Send the BILL. Then a STATEMENT. Then a NOTICE. Then a DEFAULT. Get an ex-parte order to seize the funds, using your person, by MOTIONING the court. Place a LIEN for the amount owed. Run to North Korea. Well, this one it's optional.

Down here, they rewrite the laws to steal. For instance Check 22. My question is how will you enforce this?

they rewrite the laws to steal REALLY ??? I thought they "redumb" the crowd to "idiot level", so they can do what the fuck they want :P

Chris Evan, if you get an ex-parte court order, the court must assign a Marshall to assist on seizing the funds.

Same shit happened here :D

At least, that's how it's done here. It should be no different there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22K-EUnF9bM

Ok Joey Spirit, but when the AGREEMENT is completed, who is the OWNER of that CREATION ? (credit)

That's what I am trying to say. Joey Spirit

And what was the "agreement" ? ......the CREDIT agreement I should say ? :D

If they have one of my TONKA, in their sandbox, because I "AGREE" to let them, for 5 years, after the 5 years is past, I guess I have the right to DEMAND my tonka back ? .....no ?

:( *sigh*

Did they said they gonna SELL IT ?

Why haven't you showed up in this thread before, Joey Spirit, fuck, all this time waisted :/

So what's your KNOWLEDGE level about loans, banks, and credit ?

Helloosss ??? :/

WOW!!!.....I don't have any of these degree :( , I haven't even finished high school :(

LOL... :D

Don't trust the majority, Captain! Joey has been poisoned by the virus of "education". Haha!

Did they say they would return the tonka ? THEY did NOT. But a Promissory Note is : A written, signed, unconditional promise to pay a certain amount of money on demand at a specified time. A written promise to pay money that is often used as a means to borrow funds or take out a loan. [...] The promissory note is usually held by the party to whom the money is owed. [...] When the amount due on the note, including interest and penalties (if any) is paid, the note must be cancelled and surrendered to the person(s) who signed it. But I want my goddam tonka back, now !!

:D

Ho Will Bed, Joey Spirit said he have learned from experience, reading and studying. You two OBVIOUSLY don't read the same shit :D

Joey Spirit, what have you been reading and studying, exactly ? :/

I read the legal definition of a promissory note. I guess someone shall return my goddam tonka or be committing fraud ?

I don't know Joey Spirit, do tell ? :)

Joke about conversation - I have a degree. - Really? I have 36 degrees. -What? 36 degrees? -Yes, 36 degrees Celsius. Plop!

Do we have several definitions of promissory note ? :D

OK, Joey Spirit, WHO is the MAKER ?, and what happen to this note when PAYMENT has been made in full ?

It has to be returned to the fucking MAKER, but the bank SOLD IT :D .....so I guess they will give what they've sold it for, to the MAKER :D Is this sounds right ? :/

Plus INTEREST :D

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!....

I think without the interest, but the principal it's a go.

No, the bank is the service provider, not the MAKER

Joey, do you work for a bank? :/

I gotta go, fuck :(

This guy works 20 years for a bank, if I recall.....check this out ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22K-EUnF9bM

Pete Daoust regarding your question above where you ask "Is that what it is". I am trying to say what Simon (white rabbit) is saying. We are asking for the note unaltered transferred or sold ( we know it has been sold or at least paid out) and if it has been, then we're requesting the equivalent be returned. Correct? Willing to have Admiral Bluenose bring in a bidet for a massive mental cleansing ? ;) Sooner the better!

the bank only witnesses your signature

If there's no "ME", nothing can be "made"

Simple .....

This is EXACTLY where this group will bring us, it will bring me to realize "ME" , and no, I am not crazy or drunk :-P

And this has nothing to do with any spiritual shit you could think of :-D

185. The maker is the one who engages to pay. The bank clearly isnt the maker... Or I want new tonkas.

I heard back from the bank today by regular mail. ;) Happy to hear from me and about my enquiry. They wanted to make sure they were taking good care of a valued customer. They said "it appears from our research that your mortgage has been discharged". ( I sent a copy of their discharge of mortgage along with my claim of principal)So they basically avoided a direct response to the question raised.

"For more information, please don't hesitate to contact our call center" in Packistan!

Are you satisfied with their answer Steve McCall ?

No, it's obviously just an avoidance. I will respond again clarifying that the principal was created and made negotiable by my signature unless they can show me it came from another place and include a bill this time.

Just send an invoice. You know it's yours and you want it back. The rest of their busy work is just wasting your time. Facts are facts...

The time for being nice is over :D

So... here we are. They have failed to return the document, They have failed to pay the invoice, They have failed to prove they are above the law They have not even replied to the last 2 communications they received. What would you suggest be the next step in claiming this VALUE / SECURITY ? This stuff is totally new to me... : /

LIEN ? :)

Has anyone ever liened a bank ? I've never had to lien anything... : / I guess if a creditor liens a debtor's home, when the home is sold there's no question he's first in line to collect what is owed... But how/when would I be collecting from Desjardins on this one ?

Ex parte order! That is the final step as taught by Scott... They are in default...

:D

Is there an EX PARTE ORDER thread in here which I have missed ???

It was a thread by Gail... Back in April last year by the looks of things... Exparte order is an order sought by one party in the absence of another... I'd imagine you go to the court, show them the evidence that the bank is now in default and seek the order to seize the funds...

Scott said he's done it 3 times I think... Twice or 3 times...

RE: they send their original "TO A SPECIAL PLACE" and "The law says it must be destroyed" and "they cannot give it back to me"... The law says no such thing. She's lying.

Whenever a lackey quotes "law", call them out!

Problem is she said that over the phone and wouldn't put it in writing... In my last communication, in which I stated ALL the info, quotes and facts from the beginning, I did put everything she claimed in writing... The fact that they did not reply means they don't object to anything stated in that communication ? I did tell them that if they refused to honour their obligations in regards to this matter, that communication and all the evidence collected so far could end up in the hands of the Attorney General of Quebec... I guess knowing that, if there was anything in there they didn't agree with, they would have objected...

A pro-admin, record EVERYTHING :P I love asking for their email address, so I can send a copy of THIS CONVERSATION :P

I thought it was standard practice when dealing with agencies and their employees, to audio record all communications, including phone conversations. Admittedly, it is a pain and an inconvenience.