The Tender For Law

Volume 5

Feb 09, 2014 6:40 AM

Lana Dukakis

I've seen quite a number of articles like this one. Any comments tips or suggestions? Is there something I'm missing? Many have been charged with money laundering. It seems the police want to crack down on people who are ONLY EXCHANGING currency. How can they think that there is money laundering when they are just EXCHANGING? Do we need to worry? Do we need to exchange less than a certain amount to avoid this? The authorities seem to be fighting back. I guess they are scared that we will win.

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Scott Duncan

THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU!

ONE MORE TIME:

THIS NOTE = The Fiat CURRENCY IS = It is what it is... LEGAL = ACTS and STATUTES with the FORCE of LAW (It's written) TENDER = Unconditionally offered, with use being proof of acceptance.

EXCHANGES are IN THEIR JURISDICTION! IT SAYS SO ON THE MONEY.

Lana Dukakis

I thought so too so I asked before: Lana Dukakis If we use legal tender to buy dogecoin, could the tender for law be legally attatched to the dogecoin? Sorry if that sounds stupid. February 2 at 7:27pm � Like Pete Daoust And HOW can you show that "YOU" used legal tender to get some Dogecoin with ... ?

How can you do that ?? February 2 at 7:29pm � Unlike � 4 I thought that Captain Pete meant that we were safe because there is no proof because it's all encrypted and that my ALL CAPS name wasn't EXCHANGING it. SO WE SHOULD NOT USE LEGAL TENDER TO EXCHANGE because they have jurisdiction? I thought we were being asked to use legal tender to exchange for Doge if we couldn't mine it fast enough for the 10,000 dogecoin requirement. I guess I misunderstood. I just exchanged legal tender for 20,000 dogecoins about a week ago. I guess my ALL CAPS name could get in trouble now. ?

Scott Duncan

But with THIS, the rules change. DEBT-FREE CURRENCY with no tender for law attached to it, has no competition. The IMF becomes obsolete in less than 10 years. These things are just "lego" to me. Ethereum is just another block.

Lana Dukakis

If someone owes me money (legal tender) and I ask them to exchange legal tender for dogecoins and then send me the going rate for dogecoins which equals the amount of legal tender they owe me, can my ALL CAPS name still get charged with being a party to money laundering? Or does that remove me since I only received the dogecoins?

Isaiah Whitney

Your PERSON could be charged with conspiracy I imagine if they could prove you asked and were knowledgeable. Isn't all this irrelevant if you know who you are and avoid being SURETY? Does this "Tender for Law" override a NOTICE OF MISTAKE and is it impossible to escape?

August le Blanc

This where it would be advantageous to have a corporate person you trust to handle all exchanges in private. Where the currency is: for deposit only, for exchange and or conversion to private currency which is then held in trust, until the next exchange is needed.

Lana Dukakis

I really wish I would have been WARNED and known the above before I exchanged for the coin. I was under a false impression. I need to read more and ask more questions. Wait. I did ask. I don't know, sometimes I think I understand something when I really don't. No one specifically mentioned EXCHANGING legal tender for dogecoin could find our ALL CAPS name charged with fraud and or money laundering. :( I just read the get 10000 dogecoin and a wallet order thread again. I didn't come across anyone saying :Whatever you do do not get dogecoins using legal tender. I'm still not sure what I missed. I didn't count but there must be over 25 people who said they were going to use legal tender and no one WARNED them that they would be committing money laundering if they did that.

August le Blanc

Crypto currency is NOT a legal product. It has no legal tender attached� It is outside legal jurisdiction. That is what has them trying to bust people and setting up stings. Which used to be called: entrapment. Can you say Delorean? If everything is done in a Private exchange, it is none of anyone's business. The powers that be will do anything to tell you different. So, I am thinking a trust that has been established, is still advantageous when the duly authorized trustee corporation is adminstrating all exchanges in PRIVATE. Like your own private bank with an internal private currency. Where the legal tender is held in trust for others. Surety is held but the corporate legal person and accounted for by same. Removing the all caps name by lien takes it out of the picture, because if done properly it is PRIVATE as well. Then the math takes over�

Isaiah Whitney

That is subjective. I'm saying that in the eyes of the state is it recognized as a currency? Is gold or silver? I exchange them. I only define it in such a way because of the way she has posed her questions.

Scott Duncan

"is that not somewhat ridiculous"? - NO

If you are going to establish a jurisdiction, you don't have the right to hop between the two.

Pay me CASH (legal tender on fiat notes) and I will sell you the coins. I am not IN COMMERCE, SELLING THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE of EXCHANGE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE.

Scott Duncan

SEX is currency here, at AQUILAE, and you can buy a LOT with it too! I cannot conduct business in commerce using sex as currency, but it sure buys a lot around here! :D

If you will ONLY WORK FOR DOGECOINS, then the party PAYING you has to scare up the DOGEs SOMEHOW, to pay for it. That's NOT YOUR PROBLEM. The goal is to CUT MONEY OUT.

Isaiah Whitney

It is nice to interact with people who can put perspective into things like this. I deal with morons every day literally pathetic slaves and even if I'm being intellectually destroyed here it's nice. I gather that because I don't want this "BENEFIT" I should avoid LEGAL TENDER like the plague?

Pete Daoust

Step by Step .....by Pete.... :D

1). Go to store BUYING a prepaid credit card with LEGAL TENDER.

2). Hooked that credit card, which is NOT legal tender, to a PAYPAL account.

3). Used that MONEY OF ACCOUNT, on that PREPAID credit card, which is a DEBIT card really, and EXCHANGED that money of account, for some Dogecoin.

Have you done something similar to this Lana Dukakis... ?

Lana Dukakis

Morning Captain. :) I used cash to buy a prepaid credit card with a serial number which was activated at aisle seven checkout at a Walmart at 3:42 pm under a bunch of surveillance cameras, then hopped into my friends car with license plate number xxxxxx in a parking lot which was also under surveillance cameras, and we drove off. :(

Lana Dukakis

I'm not so much worried about me because I only exchanged about $46. I was thinking that some in this group may have exchanged several hundred or even thousands of dollars on traceable prepaid credit cards on their traceable computers with their unique ip address. :(

Lana Dukakis

No. But from what I understand so far it is illegal to set up a scheme to launder money (legal tender). Using the above method I (we the flesh and blood men and woman using the ALL CAPS name) can be proven to be technically laundering money. At least that is what I understand so far. Am I missing something here Pete? Sometimes I'm a slow learner. :(

Pete Daoust

And it's NOT "your" laptop, and it's NOT your IP address....

I OWN nothing, and PIERRE DAOUST owns NOTHING as well.....the laptop I am typing this on, right now, is NOT mine, it's owned by ANOTHER person, that IP address has NOTHING to do with "me", it's hooked to a corporation of some sort... :D

The ONLY thing I may OWN as we speak, is 1 million dogecoin, NOTHING ELSE :D

Pete Daoust

Next time you go out, to BUY one of these credit prepaid card, put a full face helmet on :D

So for the conclusion of all this, you HAVEN'T exchanged LEGAL TENDER for DOGECOIN, you exchanged MONEY OF ACCOUNT (AIR) for DOGECOIN :P

Lana Dukakis

One more time so it sinks in. About the money laundering thing again. Joe Blow spends $10,000 on prepaid credit cards, or gives the legal tender to their friend to buy $10,000 in credit cards, then those cards are gifted to Joe and he goes online to exchange that money of account for dogecoin - the cops can't do a thing and can't charge Joe with money laundering? The cops would just say "shucks and golly". We know Joe gave his friend legal tender, we know Joe's friend used that money to buy debit Visa cards and we know that those Visa cards were used to exchange their balance for dogecoin, BUT those super clever boys added a step and no JUSTICE would NOW ever be convinced that Joe Blow was LAUNDERING MONEY? That Joe Blow guy is too clever for us, let's close the case and call it a night. Is that right?

August le Blanc

The credit then can be used to buy what ever the fuck you want. The good guys do not hide and not afraid of these fucktards with guns� There is no surety for me in any of this, it resides with some one I trust. And even if it did not there is still no money laundering happening� it Is AN EXCHANGE OF CURRENCY.

Lana Dukakis

Like I said above. Debit/visa card with serial numbers activated at 4:00pm at Walmart store x in aisle 9 used to exchange for dogecoin on computer X located at this address through a Rogers agreement with JOE BLOW which he accepted full commercial liability. I'm going to look up money laundering. I'm scared I'm "pulling things out of my ass" and should be quiet now.

Lana Dukakis

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-24.501/page-1.html#docCont It isn't MONEY LAUNDERING unless the money comes from proceeds from crime OR the MONEY USED is meant to support TERRORISM (acts of war against the state). There's all kinds of talk about accounting in there and surety. Still reading! :)

Lana Dukakis

From Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act �terrorist activity� has the same meaning as in subsection 83.01(1) of the Criminal Code. That is a big read. (A) in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause, and

(B) in whole or in part with the intention of intimidating the public, or a segment of the public, with regard to its security, including its economic security... (E) causes serious interference with or serious disruption of an essential service, facility or system...Still reading!

Ecoboard Panel

The powers that be have instituted capital controls, just try to buy anything over 10 grand with cash. The banks are questioning you like bitches when you do a withdrawal, feel like your married to the teller. Wtf ! Keep the exchanges small. Americans, Chinese and others have $50 thousand limits on leaving country. The money men want to know WHERE all their cash has gone, that's why they changed the color of it, old notes show up and people are gonna get questioned.

David Johansen

i could go to 10 places locally per month and sell them each 250 ounces of silver without raising any flags. thats why you want one ounce rounds, eagles & maple leafs. because thats what they can move easily.