Looks like an offer to contract, Void stamp over name, notice of mistake, registered mail...

NOTICE OF MISTAKE SURETY NOT ACCEPTED REFUSE FOR LAWFUL CAUSE RETURN TO SENDER NO CONSIDERATION NO CONTRACT WITHOUT RECOURSE TO ME IN GOOD FAITH

With regards to NoM in a situation like this, is the section relating to the courts necessary as no court has been involved yet?

:D This is one heck of a beauty !!!!! :D Lucky you !! :D

Enlighten me Pete :p

It says on it: Complete the section below IF you are PAYING the fix charge :D Do you want to BUY this thing Eamonn O Brien ?? :D

To PAY for something, you need to make a decision to BUY that something :D

These idiots, sent you a DEBT, for you to BUY it :D

But the debt is NOT addressed to you, but to the person you happen to have in your pocket :D HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

AND THEY ARE SURETY FOR IT :D

So turn that thing on the other side, and do this.... :P And send it back to them REGISTERED MAIL... :D DO NOT TOUCH THE FRONT of it..... DO NOT DETACH IT MAKE PHOTO COPIES

Just like a bank :-D

And you can, in the mean time, tell them WHO you are, if you decide to do so.... I am the SOLE authorized administrator for EAMONN O'BRIEN And EAMONN O'BRIEN's surety is .....the government, so here is the administration process I use to discharge this debt sent to EAMONN O'BRIEN. You have 10 day to REFUSE this administration process, or to advise me about ANY defect on the instrument With ALL my LOVE. BY:__________________________ Sole authorized administrator for EAMONN O'BRIEN Inscription no. XXXXXXX :D

What about the tip?

This is FUN shit Eamonn O Brien.......FFRREEEDDDUUMMMBBB !!!!! :D

No fucking tip.....this is NOT buck-o-Five method.....this is DISCHARGE method :P

I find VOID stamp the most fun.

:-D

Have you VOIDED a debt so far ?? :/

Fired my lawyer with it. Have not attempted it on any other stuff yet. I have been concentrating on the aspects of a Trust.

Scott suggested it here. It is powerful. Void Definiton: That which is null and completely without legal force or binding effect. The term void has a precise meaning that has sometimes been confused with the more liberal term voidable. Something that is voidable may be avoided or declared void by one or more of the parties, but such an agreement is not void per se. A void contract is not a contract at all because the parties are not, and cannot be, bound by its terms. Therefore, no action can be maintained for breach of a void contract, and it cannot be made valid by ratification. Because it is nugatory, a void contract need not be rescinded or otherwise declared invalid in a court of law. A void marriage is one that is invalid from its inception. In contrast to a voidable marriage, the parties to a void marriage may not ratify the union by living together as Husband and Wife. No Divorce or Annulment is required. Nevertheless, parties frequently do seek, and are permitted to seek, such a decree in order to remove any doubt about the validity of the marriage. Unlike a voidable marriage, a void marriage can be challenged even after the death of one or both parties. In most jurisdictions a bigamous marriage, one involving a person who has a living spouse from an undissolved prior marriage, is void from the outset. In addition, statutes typically prohibit marriage between an ancestor and descendant; between a brother and a sister (whether related by whole blood, half blood, or Adoption); and between an uncle and niece or aunt and nephew. A judgment entered by a court is void if a court lacks jurisdiction over the parties or subject matter of a lawsuit. A void judgment may be entirely disregarded without a judicial declaration that the judgment is void and differs from an erroneous, irregular, or voidable judgment. In practice, however, an attack on a void judgment is commonly used to make the judgment's flaw a matter of public record. A law is considered void on its face if its meaning is so vague that persons of ordinary intelligence must guess at its meaning and may differ as to the statute's application (Connally v. General Construction Co., 269 U.S. 385, 46 S. Ct. 126, 70 L. Ed. 2d 322 [1926]). due process requires that citizens receive fair notice of what sort of conduct to avoid. For example, a Cincinnati, Ohio, city ordinance made it a criminal offense for three or more persons to assemble on a sidewalk and conduct themselves in a manner that was annoying to passersby. A conviction carried the possibility of a $50 fine and between one and thirty days imprisonment. The U.S. Supreme Court reversed the convictions of several persons found guilty of violating the ordinance after a demonstration and picketing (Coates v. Cincinnati, 402 U.S. 611, 91 S. Ct. 1686, 29 L. Ed. 2d 214 [1971]). The Court ruled that the ordinance was unconstitutionally vague because it subjected citizens to an unascertainable standard. Stating that "conduct that annoys some people does not annoy others," the Court said that the ordinance left citizens to guess at the proper conduct required. The Court noted that the city could lawfully prohibit persons from blocking the sidewalks, littering, obstructing traffic, committing assaults, or engaging in other types of undesirable behavior through "ordinances directed with reasonable specificity toward the conduct to be prohibited."

Idid what I suggest 8 times, with success ;)

So by doing that Pete what am I doing? Buying the debt and discharging it?

I get it.

It is just another option, which one was not aware of before arriving here. It is nice to have options :-D

Did you read the definition above of void? ^^^^^^ Pete Daoust

No Eamonn O Brien......I will post something here, and read carefully please... :D

Bill of Exchange. Here�s HOW I do it, and WHY�.. The first step is definitely to open the mailbox, now, that mailbox is not even MY mailbox if I really THINK about it, it�s the person named PIERRE DAOUST 26X-XXX-XXX is mailbox, I just happen to be the SOLE authorized ADMINISTRATOR for this person right ? So, as a good administrator, I have the key for this mailbox, and I go there EVERYDAY. Anyway, I open the mailbox, and HA HA�!!!!.....a bill of exchange is in it Now, this Bill of Exchange is addressed to the person I happen to be the SOLE authorized administrator�.it is addressed to PIERRE DAOUST 26X-XXX-XXX, so, as the SOLE authorized administrator, I have to open that envelop and TAKE CARE of that matter. So let say the City of Montreal sent to PIERRE DAOUST this bill of exchange, and it says on it $295.00, now, WHO owe $295 to the City of Montreal ?, yes, it�s PIERRE DAOUST 26X-XXX-XXX. Now, what do I do with this, mmhhh, �..I see 2 choices. 1). I can, yes �ME�, I can buy back this debt, and use some Bank Notes and go to the post office to buy a money-order and send it to the City of Montreal, and they will balance their book with this. I can NOT send the Bank Notes (cash) to them, they won�t ACCEPT it, I wonder WHY ? 2). I can DISCHARGE this debt for PIERRE DAOUST 26X-XXX-XXX, because the truth is that this bill of exchange has been commenced by the City of Montreal for PIERRE DAOUST, because they ASSUME that PIERRE DAOUST is too ignorant to do it, so they commenced it��they are the BENEFICIARY party to this bill of exchange, and PIERRE DAOUST is the DRAWER party to this bill of exchange. Now, we are missing one party, because a bill of exchange has 3 parties, the BENEFICIARY, the DRAWER and the DRAWEE. WHO is the drawee for this bill of exchange ?.....I need to find where is the SURETY of this PERSON named PIERRE DAOUST 26X-XXX-XXX, and when I�ll find that, I will be able to KNOW who is the drawee. Drawee: The party on which an order for the payment of money is drawn. Drawer: One that draws, especially one that draws an order for the payment of money. I will NOT explaine this one in details, but I have very good reasons to believe that the drawee has to be The Bank of Canada, because the SURETY for PIERRE DAOUST is definitely the Government, since they have created PIERRE DAOUST, and on the CERTIFICATE that prove its creation, the signature is the government signature, so therefor, the SURETY, and since the Bank of Canada is the government�s bank, I am sure that the ORIGINAL certificate of PIERRE DAOUST 26X-XXX-XXX, is sitting in their building. So the DRAWEE is the Bank of Canada. So, as one of the BEST sole authorized administrator in town, Here is HOW I do it. I turn this Bill of Exchange on the Private side (Back), and I take out my STAMPS The first stamp says: ACCEPTED BY:______________ (I sign there) The 2nd stamps say: DATE The third says: ACCOUNT NO. 26X-XXX-XXX or 119XXXXXXXXXXX And the fourth says: Bill of Exchange ACT (1985) I have good reasons to believe that this COMPLETE that bill of exchange, turn it into a �check� and discharge the debt. I include a small one page letter with it giving EXPLAINATION on what I�m doing. I send the Bill of exchange COMPLETE to the bank of Canada registered mail, and one copy to the benefiary, in this case, City of Montreal, to make sure they KNOW I have done my duty

"this bill of exchange has been commenced by the City of Montreal for PIERRE DAOUST, because they ASSUME that PIERRE DAOUST is too ignorant to do it, so they commenced it��they are the BENEFICIARY party to this bill of exchange, and PIERRE DAOUST is the DRAWER party to this bill of exchange." That section confuses me...Is the second PIERRE DAOUST meant to be you Pete?

No, I am NOT PIERRE DAOUST, never been

In simple words, they've sent you an IMCOMPLETE check, you just have to COMPLETE it....look at that thing, it's acheck....

I've never written a cheque. No bank account, all cash :D Yes or no step by step.... AN GARDA SIOCHANA have a debt that needs settling on their books yes/no?

So they have started a cheque from the "trust chequebook" opting to start the administration process for me... EAMONN O BRIEN = Drawer AN GARDA SIOCHANA = Payee GOVERNMENT/SURETY = Drawee Yes/no?

:) ...YES YES YES :D

Is "account #" the PPS? (SIN?)

Yes, or the inscription no. on the birth certificate.....anyone works :)

Registration Number "4137771" ?

So who exactly is surety is my next step... Do Government departments all use Central Banks? Something I haven't looked at yet...

Pete Daoust is the# your SS# without Dashes???

whats the SS# in Canada Called?

Dash or no dash....no difference....

123456789,does this doubles as a TIN# tax payer id??? as well as a SS#

Social Insurance Number (SIN) in Canada

cute lil play on words up there!

So this is what they sent me minus the surety and my (authorised administrator)'s signature....

What the heck is that ?? :/ ^^^^

A cheque... :p

Who made that ?? :/

I made that as a visual aid Pete

OK... :D, you want to complicate shit :D

Good ol' illustration always helps :0

what the ticket basically is, is what eamonn is saying

You said they sent me an incomplete cheque. So I drew up a basic cheque (above) as to better see it... Minus the busy work on the original presentment...

The ticket is a BII OF EXCHANGE, ready to be administrate.....

So who exactly is Surety? :( That's up to me to figure out I'd imagine...

What is the GOVERNEMENT's bank in your country ?

An UNrebutted Affadavit Stands as TRUTH!!! send em one with Questions they cant answer, what is cash,how does one pay a debt with Debt script??? etc Notorize, Stipulate that all Truth is spoken in Affidavit form(sworn) let them default! Pete Daoust is this the Long way to get what do by Administrating, the way you do???

Here is Bank of Canada

Pete knows the answers so he just gets on with it...

I never sent an affidavit for debt discharges......I sent a REQUEST to know ALL METHOD available to me, to administrate this debt.....I never received ANY answers on this....

And they never responded after completing a bill and sending it back?

Now, when I dischage one, I TELL them exactly what I am doing, and give them 10 days to refuse, or advise me of any defect I would have made on the bill....

Nope....I have done it 8 times so far The electric utility one, I have NOT been surety for it, for 18 fucking months now.....

18 MONTHS !!!!!!!!!.....hellossss !!!!! :D

Is this why Scott wasn't a fan of this method as you're drawing on funds that aren't there thus someone else has to "pay"?

I use Bank of Canada as surety......I think Scott was saying this, if someone use the PUBLIC FUNDS.......I don't do that.......

Maybe Derek Moran could tell a bit more about this....

Consolidated Revenue Fund is NOT Bank of Canada

So the Government Bank will have to "clear the cheque" and send notification to AN GARDA SIOCHANA that they have done so so AN GARDA SIOCHANA can balance their books?

Find which bank is the government bank in your country Eamonn

I'll get right on it Chief... :D

So put simply, I'm buying the debt but I'm using the "Government Trust Account"...

YOU DON'T buy the debt, you discharge it for EAMONN O'BRIEN, as the sole authorized administrator

If you buy that debt, you will have to PAY for it...

Ah ok...

In other words Eamonn O Brien, ANY debt that EAMONN O'BRIEN receives, you will have to make a decision, if you want to BUY it, or DISCHARGE it......ANY OF THEM :)

Because if I buy it I'd have to use lawful money as a man rather than discharging with money of account for the legal person?

No, if you buy it, you PAY with what they ask you to pay for it....

That's why it says "complete the section if you are paying the fixed charge"

There is 2 options Eamonn O Brien..... 1). You do, as you've always done before, buying debts and pay for it. 2). Become the sole authorized admin for the person, and discharge debt sent to it...

You see that ???....they are writing it right in your face :D "complete the section IF you are paying the fixed charge" ....you see the word IF ? :D

Cheers Pete. I'll find out who the Registrar (People the birth was registered with) bank with...

You only need to find the government's bank

Love it... As I said the discharging side of it wasn't something I focused on before. I would have stopped at the first mention of "you" on the ticket and questioned that...

I know, you have listen to too many FREEEEDDDDUUMMMBBBB videos :D HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Scott said: It's all about surety and accounting Scott said: You either chose the hard way, or the easy way :D

Two options guys :D 1). Administrate 2). Fight :P

:D Administrate = Easy Fight = Hard

He sure spent alot of time teaching us how to fight though :p

Who ??..SCOTT ?? :/

With regards to how to compose oneself in court etc

So Pete as Scott says, banks only act as a currency exchange. So when the Government Bank receives the bill of exchange with authorised signature from me, what do they do next?

ZEROing the debt :)

Do they credit EAMONN O BRIEN's account to the value of �60, exchanging the BoE for money of account?

I don't really care on HOW they are balacing their books, I just don't, it's THEIR books, not mine :P

In the strictest technical sense, a cheque is an instruction from you to your bank, to pay a quantity of money out of your account to someone you have named. Once you have issued a cheque to your creditor, he can if he wishes collect this money by submitting the cheque before a teller at an office of your bank. Your account will be debited for the amount concerned, and he will receive the money. But most of the time, he will deposit it in his own account and let his bank make the necessary arrangements with your bank. Your account will be debited, and his account will be credited, for the amount concerned... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- So by sending the BoE to the bank they exchange that currency into money of account and AN GARDA SIOCHANA's account is thus able to be credited... I think I'm understanding it. It'll be great if it works! :D

Of course it will works !!!...look at what you've wrote Eamonn: In the strictest technical sense, a cheque is an instruction from you to your bank, to pay a quantity of money out of your account to someone you have named. Pete: In the strictest technical sense, a cheque is an instruction from an authorized administrator of a PERSON's bank, to pay a quantity of money out of The Person's account to someone the administrator have named. Only PERSONS can have bank acooiunts....no MAN can, impossible :P

It's the creation of the credit/money of account I'm trying to process in my head... Once I sign the back of the ticket have I created a financial instrument that can be accepted by the bank as value and thus deposited?

Or is that what people often talk about regarding estimating someone's value per year etc?

Is that what Dean Clifford speaks about when he says, "We just never came back..."

Sorry, lots of questions, my heads very busy for the first time in a while :p

And I am very busy with stupid customers that have no clue what they want....later :D

No worries man...

I would administrate that one as pete says... basically it is not your debt which the NOM clearly states and is illegal to pay a debt. No biggie.

Just attach the NOM cause, why not?

The NOM identifies every problem with the NAME and the mistake of what relation you are to it.

Would I send one to the bank also? I'm thinking not...

No, send the coupon to the bank (surety) for discharge, with a NOTICE. Then send a copy of those both and send it to the asswipes that gave you that debt.

I never used Notice of Mistake so far for ANY of the 8 process I have administrate......

No, you don't have to... but it DOES explain your relation to this NAME, since most of these guys, including the bank, ignore your paperwork.

I have done all these as it explained in here....2 of the 8, I have sent the completed bill directly to Bank of Canada, and 6 to the beneficiary of the bill

I'll do a notice similar to Pete's one... Status and intent etc...

I have kept it AS SIMPLE AS IT CAN BE.....because when it's simple, it's understandable :D

So again is the credit that's used to discharge it created upon receipt of the BoE or is it an estimated amount based on a projected performance from my time in "society"?

the credit that's used to discharge it created upon receipt of the BoE...that would be my thinking

Much like a promissory note given to a bank upon application for a loan?

Legal money = 2 signatures and a trustee Signatures are mine and the GARDA seal; and the Government bank are the trustee as they hold surety for EAMONN O BRIEN. I just have to hold them accountable because up until now I've been buying debt :p

Right, I'm away to play some music for my adoring fans...:p Thanks to Pete, Beverly , Bobis and everyone else - Yizzer all beautiful!

oh no...

From what I understand, being that we are shareholders of the "country" we live in, and dividends of the revenues of the resources, etc. is the CREDIT to which these DEBTS can be discharged. Basically since real currency is gone, we can only pay a debt through this CREDIT. Otherwise, like a collection agency we could PURCHASE a DEBT (privately). But unlike a collection agency, we have nobody to try to sell it to... get it?

That makes sense :) ^^^^

Becoming your own creditor and having no value as Scott put it. Alot of stuff is falling into place in my head now. I love these days!

I need to finish that thread I started...

Understanding what money is makes alot more sense now too. Birth is registered, government lodges it as a security and gives you a person to give value to that represents that security. They lie through omission by not telling us how to use it both ways

We all represent a promise to pay so to speak. Time to watch a bit more Shrout I think, or for Pete to start his own line of tutorials! :-P

2 key words, 'alleged' and YOU. they sent a notice of a possibility to eamonn about somonelse. question who they are talking about and how they presume you are surety for this alleged YOU they speak of?

their issue is with the vehicle, tell them to take it up with the vehicle, I have nothing to do with that. send them a rebuttal notice that says, you notice their notice and presume they were deceived in some manner and are attempting to put that responsibility upon you for some reason, ASK if it is a bill of exchange? and since you know their is no money, only credit and/or debt YOU request ALL means of discharging such a debt according to the bills of exchange act.

notice the document does NOT say non negotiable, which means it is.

<<ADMINISTRATORS ARE TRUSTEES.>> Scott Duncan We are acting in the capacity of trustees of the government when discharging debt as sole administrators for the name. But with "limited liability", because we are performing trust duties, "we" are not surety for the name.

Haa...these duties !! :D

the road traffic act does not define,VEHICLE

I wouldn't know about those clubhouse rules Mark... :p

Notice Of Mistake posted today... I'll keep the group updated...

send alleged $$$$

Surety served back... I'll wait n see what their next move is... It's only �60 so we'll I'll see how bothered they are...

Be prepared to go to the wall on this Eamonn O Brien. After I sent the NoM, they ignored and sent back a letter saying that they accepted the not guilty plea and set a court date. I went there for answers on the court date and was arrested and lead out in handcuffs and told not to come back. They said that the charges had been dismissed. It was funny actually. The notice of mistake works. They just don't want to give in. They want to know how far you will push it. I was prepared to, if needed, staple copies to all 3, clerk, fake crossdresser, and prosticutors foreheads if that's what it took to get them to read it. They really hate losing!

Why don'tt you share this, in a new thread, the step by step on what happened Aladdin Sane ....

From Scott Duncan: "The court must accept forgiveness because that is what the Authority must do. That is what gives authority. When you make a mistake there is no hostile intent, and since there is no hostile intent in a mistake, the court cannot �Claim Conflict.� So if you cannot forgive, you HAVE NO AUTHORITY!" There you have it. And that's the kind of day it's been this 23rd day of December, 2013. From Scott to you, VIA me, you're welcome.

**UPDATE** On 24th Dec the GARDA SIOCHANA received my NOTICE OF MISTAKE along with their original documentation which I had returned with it. They stamped their returned letter as received with the date. They have returned their original paperwork, KEPT MY NOTICE, and have sent a response letter complete with WET SIGNATURE and COMPANY SEAL. I don't have my scanner to hand but the letter reads... Mr Eamonn O Brien xxxxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx Dear Mr. O Brien I refer to your letter of 23 December 2013 in relation to the above fixed penalty notice. You were stopped in person by a member of An Garda Siochana and your name, address and date of birth and driving license details were given at the time of the alleged offence. (All untrue besides the license part, which isn't even mine)... (The rest of the letter is busy work) They go onto say the department I sent my notice to is just a processing office and any queries should be sent to the superintendant in my local sation. I HAVE NO QUERIES. A MISTAKE HAS BEEN MADE AS I HAVE BEEN MISTAKENLY IDENTIFIED AS A PARTY WITH SURETY WHO MAY HAVE QUERIES... I remember Suil Eile had a similar response from the court, wet signature and seal after keeping his notice...They haven't named my notice in their response. "They acknowledged receiving them. BY NAME. You now have PROPER NOTICE. They now have KNOWLEDGE of your position. They are now SOLE SURETY in ANY LEGAL MATTER regarding your name." - Scott ---------------------------------------------------------------------- So is it the same situation here? Make a couple notarised copies, endorse the original with my signature on the reverse side and send it back with a brief response? Legal money, paid, account closed, administrated, end of? Pierre, Blake, Chris... My understanding is by their acknowledgement of their receipt of my NoM they have taken notice of my position as "not surety". So by responding in the way they have they are seeking that I endorse the new offer as administrator and administrate it...

Here's the response to my notice of mistake... Attached by staple is the original presentment...

You were stopped "IN PERSON" :D

Yeh, now if that isn't screaming presumption I dunno what is!

What they are SAYING is: YOU ACCEPT having BEING that person that night......you ACCEPTED... :D

Next time, make sure you forget the Driver's license HOME.....and ask the cop if he wants the NAME of the person the government created X amount of days after your birth :P

They won't be able to say: YOU WERE STOPPED IN PERSON.... :D

I didn't give any details at all. Remember this isn't the audio recording incident. This is separate... He asked for a license so I gave him A license. He went to his car, came back and then gave me back the license and left. They're making the rest up... Besides that, I now have a trustee and a wet signature...

"IN PERSON" mean you ARE the person.....you need to be clear on this with them.....I HAVE THAT PERSON, I am not "IN PERSON", I am a Man, and I HAVE a person....

The notice of mistake cleared that up. A notice they kept and acknowledged BY NAME - Pat Costello...

Have you ADMINISTRATE that debt ? (Accepted, dated, signed for discharge) ?

No I sent a NoM and this is the response. Only received it today...

Why don't you just discharge it ? :/

I probably will now Pierre. If it's just a case of signing the back with a short response then I can do that. Your procedure of naming account no's threw me slightly... I'll sign the back with a response and send it back to them...

Who WRITES this crap? It's written like a 12 year-old playing Lawyer! This is almost embarrassing!

Pat Costello apparently :D

Is this an example of an instance in which I'm playing trustee for the Government but with limited liability?; If AN GARDA SIOCHANA are drawer AND payee?

Eamonn is the DRAWER The payee (beneficiary of the bill) is this guarda thing

And Government is drawee yes?

But because I'm the authorised admin for Eamonn I just need to "sign off" on the note so the account can be debited by the Guards...

Central Bank of Ireland is Drawee :)

So the Government (EAMONN O BRIEN) are writing a cheque to AN GARDA SIOCHANA through the drawee CENTRAL BANK OF IRELAND... But they need my authorisation because I am lawful holder of the financial instrument pertaining to that account? :(

So my short response could be - "Pat Costello, I have acknowledged your receipt of my notice dated ..... I acknowledge your acceptance of my position relating to this matter as a party without surety. I hereby authorise the process of this bill... by SIGNATURE, Sole authorised administrator for the legal person EAMONN O BRIEN, Non Assumpsit, All Rights Reserved, In Good Faith

That's awesome :D You kids grow up so quickly :(

HAHAHA!!! ^^^^^....I smell satanics... :D

No, not satanic, sarastic....sorry :/

Sarcastic ffs !!! ?

:-D

Auto-suggest is out to get you. :D

Auto-suggest is AWESOME Pierre Eleveneightfivetwo,,

:D

Accustomed to Scott's way of teaching, I wouldn't think he would use sarcasm so subtly while not correcting an obvious error I may have made in a bid to learn Pierre. I trust my judgement on this...

:D

I never NOTICED that from Scott ! :/

And as Tara pointed out, this isn't a "pat on the back, well done Eamonn" moment... It's a sign post on the long road to understanding...

It's an exponent thing. You are farther along than you think.

Another point that I always ponder on is the simple mind makes simple things appear complicated... Maybe I've stopped thinking wrong finally... ;)

Today was a good day :)

:D ....I know the feeling :D

2 am, good mornin' folks. I'm away to "mo leaba"...

I have to go to Ireland one day :(

it's only midnight. you must be 5 hours off

We are at UTC (-5) WE'RE five hours off :P

I just remembered back in primary school teachers would tell us to put brackets around any mistake we made while writing... Removing it from the page? Random thought... They did teach us something after all!

Just a quick question and I'll prob be virtually slapped for asking but in relation to legal money being created, 2 signatures and a trustee, who is the trustee in the above response by Pat Costello? There's Pat's signature, mine on the back but if An Garda Siochana are to be beneficiaries is EAMONN O BRIEN acting trustee?; as EAMONN O BRIEN is Government? The response is about 15 posts up, not the original post.... Pierre, Chris, Scott

It says "alleged offence" haha... Yes, you are acting as trustee, administrator when you PAY it.

Not when you PAY it...

I'll be discharging... :P First one... Mailed it today... So in doing so I am administrator and EAMONN O BRIEN is trustee?

Garda Siochana are beneficiaries Viviane as they will be getting �60 credit, as far as i'm aware...

You are trustee of EAMONN O BRIEN as you are handling it and paying...

By administrating I'm acting as trustee for the government also because it happened to land in my house and I'm not too busy doing anything else but that's as far as it goes! (limited Liability)

That's where I got a bit lost as Mick's letters were headed with Courts Service and Scott says they were trustees yet An garda Siochana are beneficiaries in my case so who is trustee?

:(

I wrote this on the back anyway and sent it today... I just want to understand the trust part of it to help explain to people better...

Well if they ever brought money as gold back into play... which they never will...

See, when you PAY (be it payment, purchase or your body), you are then trustee.

But authorising the process of the bill and access of the government account in the bank isn't paying right? I'm just signing as administrator and allowing that to happen...

It's up to Pat Costello to contact the trustees, (creators of EAMONN O BRIEN) tell them the sole authorised admin has endorsed the bill and that they want their account credited for �60...

Well that IS PAYMENT. If you put your visa number in there it would be PURCHASE.

So I'm trustee and admin at the same time?

Kinda the same... the TRUSTEE PAYS... by administering... yeah?

Go on anyway :P

I have PIERRE DAOUST in my pocket, and PIERRE DAOUST is TRUSTING "ME" very much, as far as ADMINISTRATING for it.

:D

So therefor, "ME" the Man, I do TRUSTEE duties, when I administrate that PERSON, I happen to have in my pocket, which was named PIERRE DAOUST.

I think my problem is viewing the role of trustee as surety

Yes! Surety pays... See why do they create all these bills? Cause they can't get PAID without billing us! Payment comes from US...

Surety can be advantageous, everyone is so focused avoiding it, not paying, that it detracts from actual value of what is shared here. First we must learn to avoid it, then we must learn to accept it thru some one else� It causes mind breakage� Which is good, then one is teachable.

Pete�s Law Dictionary First Edition � Surety., Definition: Something somewhere, that makes it sure, that a debt will be discharged somehow. :)

But by doing this, it is damaging many others.

Is the authorisation of the bill between me and Garda siochana one trust relationship and Garda Siochana and Government another?

"But by doing this, it is damaging many others." Beverly Berta Braakschmack would you care to elaborate?

It's not the consolidated revenue fund though Beverly...

Central Bank :)

Nope its not. By creating new statutes, most people think they must pay out of their pockets (or body/time)...

Therefore damaging...

So the missing link for me in the last 30 posts was the fact that 2 separate trust relationships take place...

So... Garda - "We have a bill of exchange we want you to authorise" Me - "Ok, I can do that as i have been entrusted with the ad-ministerial duties for EAMONN O BRIEN. I'll just sign the back for you boys and authorise the process of the bill...There ya go..." Garda - "Thanks Eamonn... We'll send this over to the Central bank so they can administrate it and contact the trustees to let them know their account is to be debited..." Me - "Ye whatever ye shower of shite..." :p

Garda - "We have a bill of exchange we want you to ACCEPT by, either buying back the debt, of put your SIGNATURE on the instrument, and the person'S account number with this Central Bank" :D

:D Garda - "Fuck You Eamonn... We'll send this over to the Central bank so they can administrate it and contact the trustees to let them know their account is to be debited...", BUT WE WILL TRY HARD TO MAKE YOU BUY BACK THAT FUCKING DEBT :D

I think I have it now. I think if this group was an actual, in classroom group, we would have been done a long time ago... :D

Every contract is a new TRUST... it has to be as no contract can ever be completed with money as only a promise...

In what sense is payment illegal then? :(

You cannot pay a debt with a debt...

But when you DO... it is referred to as PURCHASE a debt...

The fact that I've never written a cheque doesn't help I would imagine...

Eamonn O Brien, try to send CASH in an envelop, registrered mail to them, they will send it back to you, and they will do it for SECURITY matters :D Muhahahahaha!!!!!

It says "you can pay by cheque, postal order, cash etc at any Post Office..." So the Post Office act as a currency exchange in this instance exchanging cash into money of account and discharging the account... I'd rather use the cheque they started for me though... :D

You got it ^^^^ :D

It's elucidation:-)

Can we back up a second here?....I forget why exchanging Money for Exchange to Money of Account for these transactions is imperative.

Can't pay a debt with a debt

Like the guy that has a-dick-in-his-mouth would say in his British accent: " right, I see...! :P

Just letting the group know that there has still been no further correspondence from the other party/ies... :D