The Tender For Law

Volume 4

Nov 13, 2013 9:05 PM

Pete Daoust

Remittance advices thread.

A few brand spanking new ADMINISTRATOR seems to be confused with this STEP, as far as administrating DEBTS. I may be confused as well, feel free to de-confuse me if it�s the case.

The way I see it is pretty simple (How else could it be :D )

When I pick up a Bill of Exchange in PIERRE DAOUST�s mailbox, this PIERRE DAOUST that was created exactly 16 days after I showed up, I need to take care of it�..right now.

So, the ONLY method I was taught, by the MAJORITY, was to BUY BACK these debts, in fact, I believed that I WAS this person named PIERRE DAOUST, so I was picking this BoE in MY mailbox, I was sure that BoE was for ME, so I was BUYING BACK this debt on the spot, and was sending MONEY of account, or Money of exchange to the BENEFICIARY.

But Now, when I pick up those BoE, I KNOW they are addressed to a PERSON that was created 16 days after me, and I know it�s a debt, or I can even call it a THING, and I know there is more than one way to REMIT that thing.

But since I am NOT alone in this, I can ASK the beneficiary to HELP me with this.

So I do ask, I just send a small letter to the beneficiary with the following.

1). I Received the debt you�ve sent to the person I happen to have in my pocket (PIERRE DAOUST)

2). I am the Sole authorized administrator for that person.

3). I WISH you could reveal or disclose ALL methods available to ME, to administrate this debt you�ve just sent to PIERRE DAOUST.

4). You have 30 days to send ME all available methods, or I will have to use the method I am aware of, and you will have to ACCEPT that LEGAL method :P

Your�s Truly :D

BY:_________________________ Sole authorized Administrator for PIERRE DAOUST blab la bla

This step is a MUST, I think, because it gives the opportunity to the beneficiary to tell you the TRUTH, which is a very nice GIFT you make to them :D

And all you have to do is WAIT for them to tell you the truth��good luck !!! :D

Is that freaking simple or what ??? :D

Read Comments

Eamonn O Brien

Just received an invoice from my waste disposal company with a remittance advice section attached to the bottom...

"Remittance advice is notice that a sum of money has been sent..."

My initial thoughts are that if they have sent the sum of money the "advice" then I just need to accept it, authorise it and send it back... Am I right in saying so? I haven't looked into remittance much...

Pete Daoust

That "remittance", you have in your hand, is the instrument that you will use if ever you decide to ADMINISTRATE that PUBLIC debt.

Now, you may start by ASKING for "remittance advices" to that waste disposal company.

You may tell them that you would like to complete correctly this "remittance" for complete discharge through the surety/security of the PERSON that you happen to haVE IN YOUR POCKET, TO WHOM THIS PUBLIC DEBT WAS SENT TO :)

Tommy Atherton

I have sent terms and conditions to these types: 1) If it is a private agreement, provide proof of contract and I will "pay", or 2) If it is public and you believe I am surety, then provide proof, and I will "pay", or 3) if I am incorrect believing I can complete your Bill of Exchange for your presentment to the Drawee for discharge then I need a party to sign under full commercial liability of that claim and I will "pay," or 4) accept the completed Bill of Exchange enclosed. If there are any changes you require to your Bill of Exchange I require you to provide whole disclosure for the proper Administrative process, and I will be pleased to make corrections.

Any Administrations required hereafter which ignore the above terms and conditions will be subject to a Fee Schedule.

Stuart Stone

I received a fun letter from Telstra (phone company here in Australia)...addressed to the person, and I take administrative duties seriously.

I had initially written to them as the Sole Authorised Administrator, informing them that I did not wish to purchase the debt and requested advice on ALL methods of discharge. I gave them 30 days to respond...nothing.

So I completed their bill, sent it back registered post, along with the relevant sections of the Bills of Exchange Act, explaining why & how I had completed the bill.

I received a letter back stating that the account was overdue, and that they don't accept bills of exchange, but that they accept payment via direct debit, credit card, BPAY (electronic transfer), cheque and in person at a post office or instore.

I was quite certain that a completed Bill of Exchange was indeed a cheque, but hadn't found proof yet...until I checked the Cheques Act 1986:

First, the definition of a Bill of Exchange:

Bills of Exchange Act 1909 4. Interpretation of Terms Bill means bill of exchange.

Bills of Exchange Act 1909: 8 Bill of exchange defined (1) A bill of exchange is an unconditional order in writing, addressed by one person to another, signed by the person giving it, requiring the person to whom it is addressed to pay on demand, or at a fixed or determinable future time, a sum certain in money to or to the order of a specified person, or to bearer. (2) An instrument which does not comply with these conditions, or which orders any act to be done in addition to the payment of money, is not a bill of exchange. (3) An order to pay out of a particular fund is not unconditional within the meaning of this section; but an unqualified order to pay, coupled with: (a) an indication of a particular fund out of which the drawee is to re-imburse himself, or a particular account to be debited with the amount; or (b) a statement of the transaction which gives rise to the bill; is unconditional. (4) A bill is not invalid by reason: (a) that it is not dated; (b) that it does not specify the value given, or that any value has been given therefor; or (c) that it does not specify the place where it is drawn, or the place where it is payable.

And now, a cheque:

Cheques Act 1986: 10 Cheque defined (1) A cheque is an unconditional order in writing that: (a) is addressed by a person to another person, being a financial institution; and (b) is signed by the person giving it; and (c) requires the financial institution to pay on demand a sum certain in money. Note: In this Act, financial institution has a restricted meaning�see the definition in subsection 3(1). (2) An instrument that does not comply with subsection (1), or that orders any act to be done in addition to the payment of money, is not a cheque.

Subsection 3(1) financial institution means: (a) the Reserve Bank of Australia; or (b) a body corporate that is an ADI (authorised deposit-taking institution) for the purposes of the Banking Act 1959; or (d) a person who carries on State banking within the meaning of paragraph 51(xiii) of the Constitution; or (e) a person (other than a person referred to in paragraph (a), (b) or (d)) who carries on the business of banking outside Australia.

From these definitions, it appears that so long as we complete the Bill in accordance with the description as provided by Pete Daoust, the completed Bill is most definitely a cheque:

Here's a completed bill (in the Beverly Berta Braakschmack 'NOT MINE' style) :D

All hidden in plain sight...

FRONT:

Stuart Stone

I will look into that further Beverly Berta Braakschmack, I'm only going on what the company says they will accept (and they don't list money order) and what the clubhouse rules define the completed bill of exchange as.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

"money" as defined in the Financial Administration Act, works in this order: BILLS � NOTES � BONDS

BILLS: Bills of Exchange NOTES: Promissory Note BOND: Insurance

Bills accepted are SETOFF or set-off: 3. The balancing of mutual liabilities with respect to a pledge relationship.

Promissory Note: Discharge to another time in the future (because of the bankruptcy) ie. I promise to pay... like all notes are

Bond: 2. A written promise to pay money or do some act if certain circumstances occur or a certain time elapses; a promise that is defeasible upon a condition subsequent; esp., an instrument under seal by which (1) a public officer undertakes to pay a sum of money if he or she does not faithfully discharge the responsibilities of office, or (2) a surety undertakes that if the public officer does not do so, the surety will be liable in a penal sum.

BOND IS ALREADY IN PLACE.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

So you need to write up an Affidavit, regarding SURETY on the matter and require a time period for response, then (if you choose) Opportunity to Cure, then get a Notary Judgement (or Notary Protest) called Judgement

Colin Stephen Tonks

We are going through the same thing with a utility company. Our plan is to write to the CEO requesting certified true copies of: 1_ The application for supply, 2_ The Contract, 3_ Full disclosure, 4_ Full accounting. On receipt of those documents, we will need to examine them thoroughly before proceeding further.

Pete Daoust

I see three parties to a check, the same as a completed bill of exchange

I see a beneficiary on a check I see a DRAWER on a check I see a DRAWEE on a check

Why do you say a cheque is a 2-way instrument whereas an ORDER is a 3 way instrument, Beverly Berta Braakschmack ?

Stuart Stone

Re Beverly Berta Braakschmack: So you need to write up an Affidavit, regarding SURETY on the matter...

I used a 'notice' deflecting surety along with the instructions, modeled on something Mackximus Minimus posted previously, with a certified copy of the Birth Certificate as supporting evidence:

If this has been pulled from the dictionary of my arse, feel free to correct me: :D

Chris Evan

Also, I've been thinking about this. We keep saying slavery and indentured servitude, yet I am not sure the recipients have any idea what we are saying.

What I am saying is that submitting a 'payment' via check, money order, or credit card, as they request, would require me to ENDORSE the Federal Reserve system. It requires ME to create the medium to do the Accounting. It would also be a monopoly. What is everyone's thoughts on explaining this?

Stuart Stone

On the birth certificate it is written in that manner, so I completed the notice that way Chris Evan, as that is the format that I can demonstrate via the Birth Certificate, then added 'derivations' of the name to cover all bases.

Chris Evan

(8) "Order" means a written instruction to pay money signed by the person giving the instruction. The instruction may be addressed to any person, including the person giving the instruction, or to one or more persons jointly or in the alternative but not in succession. An authorization to pay is not an order unless the person authorized to pay is also instructed to pay.

Pete Daoust

What Is the Difference between Certified Mail and Registered Mail?

Certified mail is a kind of mail in which you legally certify that you sent the mail. Meanwhile, registered mail is simply an obligation that the postal company will deliver it. In certain cases you need to use certified mail which is more expensive.

Mackximus brought up the fact that his brother sent some stuff CERTIFIED mail the other day, and I am wondering what's wrong with it ? :/

Eamonn O Brien

He's forgetting that he also signed a contract obligating him to repay x amount plus interest in a different capacity as debtor... He can worry about the promissory note after those obligations have been met... :D Or so I'm told.. :p

Stuart Stone

What are you suggesting Mackximus Minimus, are you saying that it had already been prepared prior to your attendance and that the matter had been settled 7 days earlier, or did they just have the incorrect date on their date stamper? ;-)

Anibal Jose Baez

What I see here is that the "payment voucher" is REMITTANCE, and it was sent to me, I went to pay, the acknowledge receiving REMITTANCE for such amount, on this date, and the BILL was SETTLED. I have now a RECEIPT.

Stuart Stone

The date appears to say June 10 (unless it says June 16 and I missed it), so my question was re the dates, but it appears that you are referring to the fact that it says 'RECEIVED REMITTANCE'...I misunderstood the point you were making.

Anibal Jose Baez

A remittance advice is a letter sent by a customer to a supplier, to inform the supplier that their invoice has been paid. If the customer is paying by cheque, the remittance advice often accompanies the cheque. The advice may consist of a literal letter (e.g., "Gentlemen: Your shipment of the 10th inst was received in good order; accompanying is our remittance of $52.47 per invoice No 83046") or of a voucher attached to the side or top of the cheque.

Remittance advices are not mandatory, however they are seen as a courtesy because they help the accounts-receivable department[4] to match invoices with payments. The remittance advice should therefore specify the invoice number(s) for which payment is tendered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remittance_advice

Age Thomson

For the bank of Canada thought I posted above, I'm only curious because I am sure that someone will ask the sole authorized administrator for the person what they should do with it at some point. I wanted to know exactly what to tell them. I figured that if I went through the process myself I would know what happens on the other end.

Age Thomson

Ok, so after thinking on this for a while, I am thinking that this line of thought is probably just a dumb exercise. This would have most likely led to frivolous bills being sent back and forth only to be administrated, and redeemed for cash from the surety of the person. Since I don't see any honor in that, and as Pete Daoust has reminded us, that is very important.

Stuart Stone

RESULTS TIME:

Ok, I don't know if this is a success for a completed Bill of Exchange being accepted and credited to the account, or if it resulted from me being able to demonstrate that payment was sent by registered post and that I could prove it had been delivered...

Either way, the account was credited with the amount in question...the original bill and how it was completed is shown further up in this thread: