Take the fucking GOD shit out! Fuck! That serves the same people. The ONLY time I EVER see "Gurus" suddenly "become free-as-in-free-beer" is because they wish to "reach out" to me. EVERY TIME in the past 30 years, that has been the case. I'm not saying it is the case NOW, but that has been my experience. He is CLOSE, but notice THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER never comes up, and no mention of the "everybody knows", costing a shitload of currency with a tender for law attached. *SPOILER ALERT* Nobility invented "GOD" in the 1500's

The God shit is pretty heavy & tiresome. I was not aware of the extent of this prior to posting this thread & beginning to listen to the program. However, he arrives at some of the same conclusions: You are the Creator. You can't serve their 'laws' & your own. I don't know if he is a hardcore theist (sounds that way on the surface) but he makes an interesting premise: It doesn't matter whether you believe (there's that word again) in 'God' or not, it is what their system is based around, so use their systems to your own advantage. (this may be an example of highly flawed thinking on my part) You can't serve two masters (ie: their laws & your own). By claiming what is not yours (he hasn't said it (yet), but I'm guessing he is referring to the name and/or BC), you caused/created your own problems/slavery. I am listening through this program for 4 main reasons: 1. To develop my critical thinking & reasoning (eg: to see if I can recognise errors of omission wrapped up in truths/half truths) 2. To determine if there are any useful practical applications 3. To find out if this is an opt out (defensive) approach, and/or a lien the fuck out of it approach (strong defence mixed with a strong offence). 4. To determine if this is (another) example of me thinking wrong & valuing the wrong things. General invitation: Feel free to pull apart & expose the holes in my thinking (I realise that there is a strong possibility that I DON'T think :P ). This is a learning process & sometime the biggest lessons are learnt from mistakes.

Why? You are doing fine.

Thank you. The 'Why' probably falls into the category of my previously listening to 'gurus', without using a constructive/critical approach: eg: Rob Menard initially...to paraphrase: You're free you're free, the system is evil, but give me some cash & let's drink some beer. I knew something wasn't quite right but couldn't work it out for myself: ie: a lack of understanding of what 'this note is legal tender' means & the consequences of still being tied to the dependence on legal tender (I'm out of the system but I still rely on it...which translates as I'm not really out of the system after all). Good intent but harmful outcomes/results. Dean Clifford: trying to fix the system from within, by relying upon their own rules & assuming they will act with honour & integrity. I'm finally beginning to grasp the concept of the system being broken beyond repair & I greatly appreciate the way Dean acts in honour & his integrity in trying to help change the system for the better. However, when they don't adhere to their own rules, we've got no chance and can't do much if we're in a cage. So, although he has a big set of balls, the divestment approach & starving the hand that beats us probably has a lot more merit to it...until they get (more) desperate. There is no disrespect intended toward either of these men (actually a great deal of respect & admiration) as I have learnt from both in comprehending what they teach & from observing some of the results. Then there's the remove myself from Commerce & pity the dumb bastard that tries to cause me harm approach. I realise this is only the tip of the iceberg, but my comprehension is expanding. This has caused a huge paradigm shift for me: To opt out & remove myself means becoming self reliant (or having a network that is interdependent & self reliant), for energy, food & currency just to name a few. To learn how to use the 'tools' of protection effectively (liening the name, corporate & trust structure etc) as well as extract value from the pirates, and how to navigate in the system while getting organised & prepared to get out. The biggest part of this shift is learning how to think effectively. The 'You all think wrong & value the wrong things' quote couldn't be more true. I am currently in the situation of recovering the 'value' from the original notes of indebtedness I signed in relation to a couple of mortgages. Consequently, I need to have some comprehension of 'clubhouse rules' & procedure. The other party is in default & have not responded to my affidavit. I'm in the process of getting a default judgement (UK). My main concern is how to ensure that the court adheres to its own procedures so that I achieve the result I require...and what to do if I don't get my desired result. This is largely why listening to lessons from those that still interact within that system (or are more familiar with that system) is useful to me.

You keep thinking that way. You will do fine.

Much appreciated.

...and remember; this isn't a cult. I ENCOURAGE critical thinking. Cults NEVER do that. They can't. Cults need followers. I don't. I mention this because that is the latest label I've been given. I thought I'd kill it with a bitch-slap of reality. :D

Damn, and I was looking forward to the punchbowl full of Kool Aid :P

Make your own Kool-Aid :P

Hmmmm, a critical thinking cult that makes & drinks its own Kool Aid...what a novel concept!! What sort of evil genius cult leader are you?!? :/ Oh well, maybe they can just pray for you to stop :D

Well said, Stuart.

I stumbled upon Robert Menard, Dean Clifford doing research into the legal process. To take care of myself. I have lived without credit and by trade, barter, contract most of my life.. along with ventures into those things called "jobs" which don't fit me... Went to work in film where discipline is tight on set... just like a ship :-D Having immersed myself in DE-programming myself once I figured out I was being lied to... My whole life, by misinformed, misguided and well intentioned individuals, who valued wrong... It was just at the tip of things... I still had a hankering something wasn't right and it eluded me until the Admiral's Bitch slapped me on Dean's page and then I asked some questions and was invited here. The rest has been like described so well by Stuart Stone. I too am engaged in critical thinking and investigating shit to see where the flaws and the nuggets are, cause some sources have lies sandwiched between truths and none of these fuckers talk about the legal tender...

Fuck you guys are so fucked up on SUNDAYS... :-D

usually twice on Sundays... :-D

This is no longer like watching your baby take it's first steps...more like listening to them read that book they have read a million times and now actually contemplating the story line and asking all the right questions and even finding some answers! Brings a tear to my eye!

DE-programming?

i like coolaid, i just cant ever make up my mind which flavor i want. new juniper berry! or electric glyphosate!

Ok, I just finished watching all of the "unraveled" video series. I had to smoke a ton of weed, and have good unprotected sex to detox from all the God/Bible "program" he uses. Marcus REALLY believes in God, Jesus, Satan, satanist running the nations of men, and the Bible. He also believes the Bible is the word of God himself, the ROYAL LAW that we must follow/agree with, and contains in itself the solution to regain our Birthright, and be free from the bondage to Satan/Nations/States, by way of asking God for forgiveness and going back to his covenant, having a "civil death," "burning" all contracts with the State, and not use their copyrighted name. Thus, regaining DOMINION over God's inheritance, our right to property, and other good stuff. (But he advises to look for a good copy translation of the Bible... you don't want to get even one word wrong... one word can change the whole meaning... I guess he really trust publishers...) He also hates the theory of Evolution, for it's main purpose is to bury God, and bury the knowledge that we are entitled to land, and our Birthright. How can anyone have so many things right, but for the wrong reasons? He knows the idea of government by men is delusional, he says believe is a bad thing and does not stand to knowledge, he is right about paying attention to words, about AUTHOR, INTENT, CAPACITY while in court, avoiding contracts with these criminal enterprises, not acting as the name, the we are "the face of God" (we are supreme) and many other things that are true, but for the wrong reasons. It's a somehow disappointing feeling.

...and you STILL ALL manage to think wrong and value the wrong things. Go figure. :P

Kent Barrett said:"I'll listen to anyone I even suspect has a grasp on the monster, at least until I'm convinced that they don't" ...I think he might be here a while. Just sayin'.

Maybe Marcus IS confused :-D .....I did not took the time to watch these unraveld videos, should I ??....will it makes me a better ADMINISTRATOR ? ....

I watched the first 7 then jumped to the last one. By the end of the last one, it felt like the whole thing was an elaborate recruiting effort to get people born again in a religious sense :/. As I comprehend it according to his 'program', we are slaves period, the question is 'who is your master'

Well, fuck it, I am not watching it :P

That will save time.

Marcus would tell us that this man is confused. I would have to agree: http://news.asiaone.com/news/world/protester-nails-testicles-red-square-cobblestone

...coming up next time on "OW, My Balls"!

Ohhhh....these artists :(

How can anyone have so many things right, but for the wrong reasons? Well said Mackximus Minimus, you just saved me a bunch of time :D

From memory Marcus is not the administer type of solutionist...his method is abandoning ship and going bush so to speak.

I just started part 7. The ONLY way i got this far was from going through old-threads on here with actual USEFUL content. And if he mentions GOD one more time.........oh fuck...he just did *goes to find some Heroin to 'Mainline'*

:D

With the good information from TTFL and some memorable Scottizims echoing in your head...It's easy to filter out the GOD crap!

There is NO FILTERING. You think you are the first to try? Ok, let me shit on your next meal and tell you to eat it, because it still hast the same nutrition/value. You can "filter out" the shit i plopped on top! CHOW DOWN! You only have to eat the shit you didn't pick out! YUMMY! SO, if you TRULY think "filtering out" the "GOD crap" works, I will happily drop by and shit on your next meal :D

You assume I agree with anything from Servant King?...you taught me better then that...I filtered all of it out Scott!

No I don't. I assume (correctly) that you can't filter it. It has nothing to do with what you agree with.

Could you filter out my feces from your meal? No? Then why do you think you can do it with theism?

OK...you miss my point or I miss yours...communication issues...I filter the GOD crap meaning all crap information!...is that clearer?

No. This guy intertwines the two, and replaces key points with "god". You are incapable of doing what you describe. Pretending that you are is annoying to ME and dangerous to YOU.

:-D

I'm doing my best at being aware of this!

I tend to look for the underlying agenda with these folks. He not only mentions nothing of LEGAL TENDER, but also neglects any reference about TRUSTS. For a guy previously representing the BAR, and seemingly annoyed because he recently lost his chickens... My best guess is he wants to become a MINISTER. :D ...and then collect some MONEY OF EXCHANGE

Look at the big insight on Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma!

Who ? :D

Minister's are the tricky ones... they're so goddamn nice!

reminds me of a story i once told. saying you did not mean what you said can not make what you said disappear. [that kind of magic only works in accounting and farietales]

I think im up to part 9 and so far, his PRE-Unravelled videos were more informative- "...God-this, and God-that, God-DAMMIT if he says GOD one more goddammed-fucking TIME..."

Hey Derek Moran, I just spotted you !! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_xIoJzZtKg

..you were talking about the 'Man of Steel' promo before the video that came afterwards- right?

Freeeeeeeeeeeee-DUMB!

:D

Scott only knows. /www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCNe3t1U8Es

In his video- 'The Determiner,' Marcus starts making relevance: "WILL do, is a PROMISE...and a PROMISE can be DEMANDED in LAW, someone PROMISES you something you can DEMAND IT and you can ENFORCE IT, so you gotta be VERY careful what you say you will PROMISE, cuz thats based on your WILL, it 'will' BACKFIRE on you if you dont wanna do it/that...remember- the WILL is the LAW"

OK, maybe I should add in my letters.....Tell me that there are NO other administrative methods to administrate this debt, other then BUYING back the debt, and I WILL PAY for it. :D What do you think ? would that be considered GOOD FAITH ? :/

Fuck you just gave a very good idea to me Derek Moran, that's EXACTLY it.....I will do that :D Thanks !!

You figured-out something UNDER SEAL is PROOF that someone intended to keep a PROMISE? ..does the Birth Certificate you have, have a SEAL on it? Signed, "Where there is a WILL (or Trust Deed, Dean Clifford)- there is a WAY!" :D

Under Seal??? I just got mine UPS today!!!!

"If you BELIEVE in God, then you are mentally ill- well of course you are, because if you believe in GOD- you cannot LAWFULLY form a WILL"

Gail Marie For those that may have missed it Scott Duncan THE Creator has the SUPREME law. YOU are THE creator. "God" is an invention by the nobility to FILL that "THE CREATOR" spot, so you will think you aren't entitled.

You've mentioned Scott of the simplicity in what you teach, and, if it's hard you're doing it wrong. Marcus here from 'Servant-King' has popped-up again about some future Webinars he'll be putting on, and i was just re-reading some of his stuff. On his page, he states: " And of course, you will obtain your reward....if...you can renew your mind. The Reward: What you lost.....is restored by default." Whatever he had restored "by default," Scott.....did it happen after he POSTED, his PROPER NOTICE, into the PUBLIC RECORD?

I have no clue what you are talking about.

I guess what im asking is do you know what he means when he says- "The Reward: What you lost.....is restored by default." ?

He doesnt make it simple like you do, its- "God this, and God that, and the word of God that, and the word of God this," your head just wants to burst after awhile..

So stop listening to him :/

So......we'll all meet on Marcus' "Webinar" ??? It's only $20 per week. :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96jmY0s3C_Y

Webminars like for Webtards ? :/

So, "Marcus" is ALL SET, and is "free" with his "secret stuff" restored by default. BUT, why does he has to charge LEGAL TENDER for webinars? HAHAHAHAHA! Does anyone see the BULLSHIT? :D

...considering he's mentioned that he HAS been busy dealing with the INHERITANCE he's recently received- what would an extra $20 then mean to him? :/

I'll have to get Big Blue Button Up and running

Luke 8:16 Marcus.....Luke 8:16 :p The Irony of it...lol.

http://bigbluebutton.org/

Was it something I said? :/

I have $20, so I'm not sure how that "keeps me out"...

I heard if you quote the Orthodox Jewish Bible you actually get more inheritance, than quoting King James. It's just the word on the streets. Hahahaha!

Whatever you do, don't quote the Latin American Bible Version. Inheritance is 2 chimichangas, and a small portrait of White Jesus.

Note to self: Stop swilling on drinks upon entry to The Tender for Law Fuckface Book� Group. THAT ??? was CLASSIC Max. :D

I didn't bother with Marcus' email update....there is nothing there that I require...but maybe the $20 is to purchase casino chips at the Fortress of remand casino...he may be attempting to beat the 2 Deans' records :P

That's $20 per week he wants ! Fuck.......if he could get 1000 people to sign up ! Lots of casino chips...lol. "Monte Carlo" chips...not that shitty "Vegas".

Well, he lost all his birds, think about it :(

$400,000.00 worth of birds :(

That's birdie birds boy !!

Serious ? That much ?

Oh yes....I have watched his first few video's, he was pissed off about that :(

He LOVED his birds :(

Think, think, think, and think some more :D

Loved his birds...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8H7-MTqrg

3:-)

Hey Tom, by the way, do you HAVE a person ? 8-|

Kicking around somewhere........slowly disintegrating.

How's that ? :D

The original "person", I happened to have, was laminated, but was lost one day while I was out fishing. Probably in good condition still. The next "person" was some shitty banknote paper, the same kind they used to make the old "gun licenses" with....slowly disintegrated over the years. The new one ts that new plastic shit you cant even wipe your ass with...lol.

Don't know where the new one is though....probably with my stuff back home.

What do you want me to administrate with it, Pierre ? Let me guess...some internet for Dean ? :p

You are still confused, I see... :)

The certificate is NOT the person, it's the certificate :P

Yes..I didn't mean it in that way....sorry Pierre.

You wrote it that way, what happened between the brain and the fingers :D

Is there a way to use this to get me some land ?

Of course !

That's why it exist :D

Several Wobbly Pops

LOL....I am out, got to sleep :D

Hey....could we talk sometime about the land thing, Pierre ?

Yes....