The Tender For Law

Volume 4

Oct 28, 2013 6:11 PM

Harold Austerman

Question! Lets say I see a Shiny New Pick Up Truck that catches my eye! I go in to set up the paper work,(Offer) I Accept said Offer. This is where I get Hazy,@what Point does the paper work, become an Inchoate Instrument?? Or do I say right off the Bat that Im going to use a BOE to pay for said Truck??? Are there any files etc that will explain this situation. I want to put into action this Knowledge, and NOT use it for A Dust Collector!!! Constructive Criticism Welcome!!

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Pete Daoust

OK, but WHO will REALLY pay for that brand spanking new pick-up truck for which I can't even afford in the first place :D

Bank of Canada will create a brand spanking new debt for that piece of metal, and then on WHO's books that debt will end up on ?

I am against EXTORTION......both ways :P

Debt creation for greed works on both ways....and my INTENT is to stay away from it ALL THE WAYS.... :D

Anyway........ Think about what Scott Duncan says about Robert Menard.....

If I am thinking wrong, PLEASE tell me .....please, please please (seriously :( )

Pete Daoust

That's what I am saying Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma, you create a DEBT, by signing a LOAN, for some shit you can't afford in the first place, and your INTENT is to end up with a PIECE of crap and get FREE ride.....which has NOTHING to do with Respect, Honor, integrity and Dignity :P

Pete Daoust

No, she just don't want to go further when she knows I am right and she is wrong, it seems to offend her, like it should not happen or something like that......so I figure, blocking her would be the best thing to do, for her..... :D

Stuart Stone

Pete Daoust, I respect how you're an honourable man...to your administrative affairs & to your family...that is a rare & special trait.

Re the difference(s) between Pete's best Administrator in town & the Buck-o-five method:

Pete discharges his obligations using a Bill of Exchange to wipe out any alleged debts, to zero & balance the accounts...like any good Administrator would...and according to Pete, he's the best Administrator in town...he acts with honourable intent & only wants the TRUTH.

Buck-o-five is different in that it uses lawful currency (the one dollar stamp) to lawfully pay/trump the use of debt & to invoke international law/treaties re the postal service...you can't pay a debt using debt notes (cheques, FRNs etc), so use lawful currency instead...one method is discharge, the other is payment.

I am currently reviewing the UPU's constitution docs & related Acts & treaties to get some tangible evidence as to how & why exactly the Buck-o-five method purportedly works, and how to defend it (when challenged) using the clubhouse rules of international treaty etc...if/when I find something useful, it will be posted here :D

Stuart Stone

Harold Austerman, from what I understand (and the relevant legislation for the UK):

When you sign the credit agreement/promissory note/charge etc, you have created a specie of money...you deposit that as property/security in exchange for a loan...the fees and interest are the lender's compensation for acting as a currency exchange & converting your specie of currency into legal tender.

Once the 'loan' relationship is complete, you have the right to demand your promissory note back...problem is, it has often (meaning virtually ALWAYS) been on-sold to some third party, so it cannot be returned...therefore, you have the right to bill them for the agreed upon value of the promissory note (the principal amount of the loan)...

The Consumer Credit Act 1974, section 189 defines a security as follows: �security �, in relation to an actual or prospective consumer credit agreement or consumer hire agreement, or any linked transaction, means a mortgage, charge, pledge, bond, debenture, indemnity, guarantee, bill, note or other right provided by the debtor or hirer, or at his request (express or implied), to secure the carrying out of the obligations of the debtor or hirer under the agreement;

The Administration of Justice Act 1970, Section 39 states: �mortgage� includes a charge�

The Bill of Exchange Act 1882, Part 1(2) states: �Bill� means bill of exchange, and �note� means promissory note.

Case Law:

�The principle is that a bill, cheque or note is given and taken in payment as so much cash� (see Jackson v Murphy [1887] 4 T.L.R. 92).

"We have repeatedly said in this court that a bill of exchange or a promissory note is to be treated as cash. It is to be honoured unless there is some good reason to the contrary" (see per Lord Denning M.R. in Fielding & Platt Ltd v Selim Najjar[1969] 1 W.L.R. 357 at 361; [1969] 2 All E.R. 150 at 152, CA)

The Bills of Exchange Act 1882, Section 30(1) states:

Every party whose signature appears on a bill is prima facie deemed to have become a party thereto for value.

You may need to dredge through the clubhouse rules where you are, to find the equivalent legislation in order to defend your claims.

...If, from this, you wish to (re)negotiate an early settlement & use the original promissory note to set off the loan amount, then that may be acceptable to the 'lender'. In that case, you'll need to use your own money of exchange to settle any fees for completing the relationship early, but hey, it's all contract & all down to offer/counter offer until you reach an agreeable solution :D

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

I don't get how the pre-auth payments go. Back in the day you would write a cheque for all utility bills, car payments, etc which creates more debt... Now everything is Pre-Authorized payments... How does that create more debt and why do they want everything done that way now?

Harold Austerman

I read a post that Dean Clifford was talkin about Scott Duncan and himself teach the same principals, just using different methods as a means to an End!!! I heR what Stuart Stone and Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma are sayin!!! and like Suil, says better to get skinned in here,than in the courts!!! Thanks for the input!

Blake Gardner

In relation to discharge with the signature as Bev mentioned. Debt/Obligation is money in this system. The signature is obligation. When you indorse the back of a cheque/negotiable instrument what has happened?

Also a debt/account settled and closed in the private with value is a setoff. But a debt discharged with another debt instrument is an account still open but temporarily deactivated awaiting a future settlement.

Kirsten Carlstrom

I discharged my mortgage with an EFT on a closed checking account. Wells Fargo accepted the EFT, zero balanced my online banking statement, and then a couple of weeks later reversed my banking statement. They then sent me a letter stating that they weren't going to accept the payment and "would not speak about this matter again." I've asked for the instrument to be returned to me untouched, which of course they haven't, and they are refusing to answer any of my requests. They did however attempt to pass off a color copy of the promissory note as the original.

Chris Evan

so....upon thinking about this more, I had this thought that Bills of Exchange were requests for loans! They are asking for NOTES! Meaning a liability. If we give Notes to them, we would, in FACT, be giving them a loan. By signing the BoE for account set off, wouldn't we be the Creditor authorizing the loan? This goes for checks as well...

Harold Austerman

Pete Daoust Im saying this with respect so don't block me!!! I do respect your opinion! You speak of staying in Honor in a Corrupt Villanious system where Honors Light Never shown! Paper is paper, whether it be Fiat Notes, a napkin, or a BOE, It's their system-just usin it as they do, wheres the Honor in Debt Slavery????

Pete Daoust

They always do the same ...., they pretend being smarter, they pretend smelling better than you, they pretend being sharper than you, and when you show them that, in fact, they are not.....then they just don't want to talk to you no more, and they leave you on YOUR OWN....some of them will even try to harm you because of it.....I have seen this so many times.... :)

But it's my right to NOT tolerate this little daddy's girl attitude :D