The Tender For Law

Volume 4

Oct 15, 2013 8:30 PM

Lee Edgely

Hi folks, I�ve been going over posts to find out about the VOIDing that you do and from what I�ve read, if I received a unilateral contract/speeding fine in the post from the GARDA (Police), how do I void the ticket? Would I put VOID (in red) on the fine in maker/pen, do I then return to sender by registered post? Would I put the following too on the front of the envelope or would this be a mistake?

RETURN TO SENDER. I DO NOT RECOGNISE YOU. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT. WE HAVE NO INTERNATIONAL TREATY. NO ASSURED VALUE. NO SURETY ACCEPTED. WE HAVE NO CONTRACT.

If this step did not work for what ever reason and it happened to proceed to Court, the GARDA would be prosecuting and not a solicitor/lawyer.

Would I send the Garda an affidavit and a NoM? When the case would be called would you, except the name that is called GARDA OINK vs. LEE EDGELY? Or rebut that NAME called and/or just state for the record that you are there on a conditional appearance (there is no special appearance in Ireland. If there is a special appearance I can not find anything on it.) And then reserve all rights?

The Garda would then automatically walk to the stand to speak, would I let him speak before anything else happens? then rebut everything and/or call POINT OF ORDER before he has started/finished speaking?

Then continue with the question of asking did you receive my affidavit and NoM, (YES). Answer the questions GARDA, because this can not proceed until I can UNDERSTAND the nature of these proceedings. AND KEEP REPEATING and POINT OF ORDER until I get answers from him? Or the Judge asks me how I wish to proceed.

Please help me as I feel confused sometimes when I read some posts.

Read Comments

Chris Evan

:-) I accept the seal and/or signature. I write on the front in letters the amount to remit (ADVICE). I write on the front "Non Negotiable, Non Transferrable, Without Recourse". I flip it over write "Received by:" autograph it. I write "Date" and write the Date. I then write "Exemption ID: xxxxxxxxxx" (that is the SSN without dashes.

Will Lawful Man

I have used the following to refuse five tickets totalling $2,990.00. I remember first, to keep the peace with my fellow man. When a Bonded Insurance Policy Enforcement Officer presumes to have the authority to issue a ticket in a name to which he or she is not the lawful holder in due course of, 'my name', I accept the presentment. It means nothing if I accept the ticket at roadside. I take the ticket to the post office within seventy two hours and refuse it. The way I refuse a ticket is this;

I print in red ink, upwards left to right on the face of the ticket,

Refused for Cause Without Dishonour Without Prejudice Without Recourse Non Assumpsit

I then have the postal clerk stamp the ticket, a copy of the stamped ticket(an original for my records) and the envelope. I then mail the ticket to the address on the back of the ticket for payment or dispute.

Chip Douglas

I went to the Post Office today to send something to the Government by Registered Mail. The usual lady i deal with who is cool was not there. I usually get what im sending weighed first, then i pay, then i go get the stamped envelope and the letter photocopied at the photocopier right next to the Postal Outlet (inside a Shoppers Drug Mart), but, i always get my LETTER stamped by them too before i photocopy it. There was a new-girl there today, told me that will be the only time she will stamp my letter in the future because, as she said- "Oh we cant DO that. By us STAMPING your letter, this means that we are AGREEING to whatever you are doing here"

Is there something ILLEGAL Scott for a Canada Post worker to 'stamp' your letter, the same as they STAMP the envelope, the same as they STAMP the back of the registered-mail-ticket they give you?

Lee Edgely

Okay, Lawful Man. I write in red ink Refused for Cause etc. Go to the Post Office and ask the clerk to stamp it, then go and photocopy the ticket (in colour I presume). I keep the original, yes? Send them the photocopy. It is then up to the garda if they bring it to court or not?

Will Lawful Man

Lee Edgely, the only original I keep is a copy of the stamped ticket which also has a stamp.

The stamp has the location of the post office and the date. I tell the clerk that I need a stamp so I can show later that I did send the document in on time and from where. How you deal with people has a great impact on the results you get from them. I convey the importance of their official stamp on an official document. It does not hurt to pander to people's egos. Telling the clerk that you want to be able to prove that 'This' document went into 'This' envelope and was witnessed by 'This' honest official goes a long way. The stamp indicates witness rather than endorsing an agreement. The ticket is endorsed (signed) by a Bonded Insurance Policy Enforcement Officer when it is written.

Chip Douglas

Awesome explanation Lawful Man, thank you- did you see my POST, i 'posted' just above, with my adventure in dealing with someone from Canada POST yesterday? You crystallized for me, just exactly what i wanted to put together to say to her next time i see her.....so she's simply acting as an UNINTERESTED, THIRD-PARTY, WITNESS, who is NOT offering me any LEGAL-ADVICE- hmm.....kinda like a NOTARY? ;)

Lee Edgely

Thank you Lawful Man. That cleared up a lot of questions for me. Chip Douglas i think the difference is that the notary can be recognised in the legal world, a judge can see it, a postal clerk is not a member of the club, so it does not have to be recognised by the legals.

Roger Dennis Fleury Jr.

I think I might have posted on a thread in this group that a cancelled stamp is like a poor man's notary. I read somewhere that when you stamp the reverse side of a document before you file it in the court record, if the judge is on the take, he can't just turn the paper over and say he doesn't see anything. The stamp seals the document. Putting on the reverse side makes it one document, whereas a single page is somehow technically two documents, like a box... just my interpretation, anyway.

Bart Foley

Thanks for bumping Leigh. I was in France last week and on a road trip from Nantes to Brest in a rental car I may have triggered a flash from a road side speed camera for a speeding offence. I may receive a Bill of Exchange from the French authorities and if so I am ready for it.