The Tender For Law

Volume 4

Oct 10, 2013 7:24 PM

Chris Evan

This Drivers License seems to be causing this Person CHRISTOPHER EVAN SCHULTE a good deal of administrative work. Is the lack of another signature evidence for a PERFECTED CLAIM? Can i go straight to a lien on the account making me Creditor?

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Stuart Stone

I wrote to the DVLA (Dept responsible for issuing Drivers licences in the UK), asking if the licence is a form of ID (purely for shits n giggles n entertainment purposes only :D )

Their reply:

Dear Mr Sxxxx Thank you for your email received on 18/2/13. Your email reference number is 1xxxxxx. I hope this information is of some help to you. The photocard driving licence is not an identity card, its sole purpose is to convey entitlement to drive particular types of vehicles.

Blah blah etc

I used this in Australia to void a speeding fine (stopped at the side of the road, received the paperwork & mailed it back VOID no contract, with a Notice of Mistake & copy of the above email, stating that I have no knowledge as to whom they believe they identified)...and the licence was out of date.

Key point from this for me, is that they acknowledge, via their email, that the licence has little to do with me as it is not used to identify me :D

If I then claim it, I don't know how much controversy I create by doing so...easier for the Man to step away from the PERSON...I have one in my pocket that seems to pacify the psycopath with the gun, but I'm glad that his bosses know that it's not ME :D

Chris Evan

The way I am seeing it is that the Account ONLY exists because of my signature. I really don't want some moron on the side of the road with a gun causing ME harm because this Person doesn't have a Drivers License, so I will keep it. I see it that I could accept the Security Instrument he charges the Person with on the side of the road and as Creditor (later at my office) I could FORGIVE the charges. It seems like it is even easier than Buck o Five or Pete's method.

Stuart Stone

makes sense...I'm like you, I've got no problem with using it to make the crazy person at the side of the road to leave me alone...if it's now property held in private trust, then you can use it to ward off all manner of interlopers trying to force you to contract in their system

Chris Evan

To further this idea, Can the current charges (Arrest Warrant) that the Court has against this Person be liened also? Its my understanding that Courts are banks and they are salivating over this Security I created. I have issued a second NoM for the resulting Warrant, but couldn't this be easier if I liened the Docket Number. became Creditor, and FORGAVE the charges? The only reason the Security they are trying to cash in on exists is due to my signature....so, what if I became Creditor of it? Thoughts?

Chris Evan

The Drivers License is evidence of acceptance of the T&C offered. I don't see any reason why I can't lien the number on the document that I signed for the Person, becoming "first in line". (And probably the only one in line)

Chris Evan

OR, can I CLAIM this Account ab initio. FUCK....Scott, my brain is about to explode.

Why are you seeking advice? - Because I want to grow and be in control

What, specifically, is the problem? - Specifically, this Person is getting a lot of BoE's due to some presumptions made about the person, including an Arrest Warrant and some Traffic Violations

What, briefly, led to the issue. - My lack of understanding of who I am and what the rules are have led to this, but I have become aware and would like to correct these MISTATKES.

How has the issue manifested, and what are the negative ramifications? - The issues started with a little arrogance. I am in fear that I may end up locked in a cage or tied up....

What is the desired result? - Certainly avoiding being locked in a cage and/or tied up. But ultimately, I want all of this crap dismissed.

:-D

Chris Evan

But Jay Le B, if I VOID the DL, then these idiots on the side of the road will cause me harm. If I VOID the Citations, they are not honoring that. I have evidence of BOTH situations. My new idea is LIEN the ENTIRE ACCOUNT that I created! That way, the Creditor can always FORGIVE. My Trust would be the Creditor. Does this not make sense?

Chris Evan

But the charges is ACCOUNTING. There can't be ACCOUNTING without a contract. The only reason the contract exists is because I signed for it. I just want to ask if that is enough proof to just Lien the fucker!!!!

Stuart Stone

Once the trust is set up, you can do the following:

Send a notice, informing the other party(ies) that all property in the name of PERSON is now held in private trust.

The trust is more than willing to fulfil any and all obligations, however, the trustees are mandated to verify any & all obligations prior to settlement. Payment shall be made upon validation and receipt of evidence of the following:

1. That there is an injured party

2. That there was harm caused

3. etc etc (other terms)

There is no controversy here,

For & on behalf of the Board of Trustees of ABC Trust

In other words, have them prove up their claim...and you remain in honour, while keeping everything at arms length, as evidence is required by a 3rd party intervenor (the trust)

Stuart Stone

What did you use as 'ID' to create the account/licence in order to sign it? Did you claim another document (eg: BC) that wasn't created by you, as being you, consequently creating controversy & potentially committing fraud?

Stuart Stone

That comes back to the DVLA thing I posted up the top...if the licence (or BC) can't be used to identify you, then who did they identify when they handed the charges etc to you?

They must have made a mistake, that you need to correct ;D

Stuart Stone

It's a Winston Shrout concept: the signature on a document is the document's signature....YOU didn't put the picture on the licence, or the signature...some 3rd party did that...then they're claiming it's you, or more accurately, allowing you to claim it's you...which creates a controversy

The picture & signature & thumbprint etc all belong to the licence...

Just like the photos of Anna Nicole Smith in Playboy are playboy's pics :P

Stuart Stone

I think the bottom line is, that if you're the only party that adds value to the PERSON (and from what I remember Scott saying elsewhere, EVERY time the name of the PERSON is used on a document/warrant/charge etc, a new PERSON with that name is created), and the government is not a person, then who is going to object to you liening the value you have added to the PERSON into a private trust?

But, can you claim the value of the other PERSONs on the charge sheet/warrant etc?

I think, from memory of other posts, that's also possible, especially once the original PERSON (BC) has been liened into a private trust, then all the descendants (derived from the original document) may also be liened into said trust :D

Eamonn O Brien

My understanding is if you're pulled over officers of a company will attempt to engage you in business contract and create an account. This account will however have debts immediately attached to it. They could call the account mickey mouse, point being if you say "yes Im mickey mouse" you're liable for the debts. Every encounter is a brand new possible business deal... Correct me if Im wrong obviously. I don't mean to mislead

Eamonn O Brien

You are authorised to operate in the capacity the license provides... It doesn't mean you are always operating as such. The cops are more or less sub contractors hired to apprehend misbehaving trustees. They presume you are always a trustee until we rebut

Chris Evan

WTF? Why can't my tiny protoplasm get this fucking idea? So, when I signed the DL, I accepted the terms and conditions. BUT they create a New ACCOUNT on the side of the road with new SURETY, but it has nothing to do with the Person on the License, yet they enforce the T&C signed for by the Licencee.

Eamonn O Brien

Or something to that effect. In my encounter i just said i wasn't using it therefore did not have need to carry it. Write to your dept of transport and ask for a list of the full terms and conditions attached to the use of a driving licence. See what they say. I might do the same myself

Chris Evan

The terms and conditions in MASS is if you have it, you have to show it. I never claimed to have one or not. They found a Debit Card in my pocket bearing a name that I presume they typed in the database and found a picture of a guy who looked like me.

Eamonn O Brien

When i was in the station they couldn't let me leave until i gave them something like a name or address. My guess is that was to protect them from being liable from fraud. They don't want you to confirm you're the Christopher shulte that signed for a license. They just want a donkey to pin the new Christopher shulte tail on

Robert Cormier

Endorser (see indorser)

indorser. (18c) A person who transfers a negotiable instrument by indorsement; speci�., one who signs a negotiable instrument other than as maker, drawer, or acceptor. - Also spelled endorser.

acceptor. A person or entity that accepts a negotiable instrument and agrees to be primarily responsible for its or payment performance. [Cases: Bills and Notes

In the case of a traffic ticket, who is the acceptor of the ticket Scott Duncan? Is this the employee that receives the INDORSED ticket (with my indorsement) and will hunt me down/empty my bank account etc. to make sure the ticket is paid?

Pete Daoust

What bank account ?...."YOU" have no bank accounts Robert Cormier.....The person you happen to have in your pocket can have one if "YOU" decide so...

I have decided to NOT have a bank account for PIERRE DAOUST the person, for now....

I am waiting on this PRIVATE BANKING thread Scott promised 4 years ago :D

And if ROBERT CORMIER's bank account is full, as you suggested in the above post (and will hunt me down/empty my bank account etc) You have NO IDEA why you are here.....

Why is it so difficult to understand that I AM NOT A PERSON, I HAVE A PERSON.

I am NOT a person, I am NOT a person.....I have a person, and everything I think is mine, well it's not mine, it belongs to the PERSON....

I, as a Man, have NOTHING other than some TIME....

HELLOOSSS !!!!! :D

Pete Daoust

In other words, PIERRE DAOUST's Life and Liberty seems to have been put on STANDBY for now by its ADMINISTRATOR, but PIERRE DAOUST's surety/security seems to be extremely well used by PIERRE DAOUST's administrator....

You gotta start somewhere !! :D