The Tender For Law

Volume 3

Sep 24, 2013 3:35 PM

Anibal Jose Baez

In the booklet "Trustees in Commerce, By Carlton Weiss" it says that its fraud to lien a trust you did not create, and annexed are the reasons suggested.

In the USA, if a corporation liens a NAME that did not created, to be HELD in TRUST, would this be fraud? If not, what Am I missing? Scott Duncan? I am trying to protect my property and persons, by applying what I have learned here.

<<A UCC Financing Statement (UCC-1) is a very mighty financial instrument indeed, but only when used for the right situation. Filing a lien on a trust you did not create and did not act as trustee for is inherently fraudulent because you�re demanding a debt from an entity that owes you nothing. If the US government decided to issue you a social security account number and thereby create a revocable living trust naming you the beneficiary, you have no grounds to file a lien on that trust. No commercial gain was had at your expense, even if the trust is identified based on the name of the cestui qui trust, such as using your name in all capital letters (e.g., JOHN WAYNE DOE).

... Therefore, one who is a beneficiary, one who benefits from a trust created by the US government has no recourse to file a lien when he discovers he�s been made the beneficiary of a trust identified based on his name.>> Trustees in Commerce By Carlton Weiss

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Pete Daoust

The NAME PIERRE DAOUST is NOT a trust, it is kept in a trust, but since I am the only one that gives value to it, and I certainly can prove that, I can lien this NAME.....I have the RIGHT to its surety/security....it is written somewhere :D

Pete Daoust

Easy, "ME" have the right to this person's life, "ME" have the right to this person's liberty, and "ME" have the right to this person's surety/security......so "ME" will have to do some ADMINISTRATION shit :D

Gail Marie

Does the govt not just have legal title ownership...which is 1/10 ownership? ..is it that when you lien the legal name, your "rights" cease as well, which means they aren't really being negatively effected...it all balances out the ledger?

title. (15c) 1. lhe union of all elements (as ownership, possession, and custody) constituting the legal right to control and dispose of property; the legal link between a person who owns property and the property itself <no one has title to that land>. Cf. OWNERSHIP; posSESSION. 2. Legal evidence of a person's ownership rights in property; an instrument (such as a deed) that constitutes such evidence <record your title with the county clerk>. "Though employed in various ways, [title] is generally used to describe either the manner in which a right to real property is acquired, or the right itself. In the first sense, it refers to the conditions necessary to acquire a valid claim to land; in the second, it refers to the legal consequences of such conditions. These two senses are not only interrelated, but inseparable: given the requisite conditions, the legal consequences or rights follow as of course; given the rights, conditions necessary for the creation of those rights must have been satisfied. Thus, when the word 'title' is used in one sense, the other sense is necessarily implied." Kent McNeil, Common Law Aboriginal Title 10 (1989).

Anibal Jose Baez

Pete, some of us are trying to understand HOW and WHY is that one liens the BC/NAME in the USA. If you have answers, I would love to hear them. The boat is sinking fast, and some of us are trying to hold on to what we can.

Mick Parker

your boat has been floated on the stock exchange & given a value. my understanding (for what its worth) is that liening the name removes it from that financing system. its yours again but dont expect it to have any more value in their system.... anybody else thinking like that ??

Eamonn O Brien

You are the "ship" (Vessel).

You are carrying a bill of lading that is actually YOURS. It only benefits the government when you don't claim it. A lien is your PUBLIC CLAIM to that BILL OF LADING, which means the government cannot use it

- Scott

Eamonn O Brien

The Birth Cert....

It is the government's DeFacto CLAIM on the VALUE in the NAME. Lien it, and YOU get the value...

...but then you are your own creditor, and you have nothing the world wants.

- Scott again...

Eamonn O Brien

Quoting Scott again, I know we've seen it discussed plenty of times...

You CREATE a corporation, then grant ONE SHARE. You are now the SOLE SHAREHOLDER (not an "owner"). You then ORDER (from the corporation, for which you are the CONTROLLING SHAREHOLDER) to LIEN your BIRTH CERTIFICATE. The corporation can then hold that asset IN TRUST

To establish a trust, write it down, and have it witnessed and notarized. The end. Only shareholders of your corporation are recognized by the trust.

Chris Evan

In the USA, if a corporation liens a NAME that did not created, to be HELD in TRUST, would this be fraud? If not, what Am I missing? Scott Duncan? I am trying to protect my property and persons, by applying what I have learned here.

Chris Evan

Original Question: In the USA, if a corporation liens a NAME that did not created, to be HELD in TRUST, would this be fraud? If not, what Am I missing? Scott Duncan? I am trying to protect my property and persons, by applying what I have learned here.

Jeff Roggers

correct we did not create the legal title name. but if anybody government agent or what not says different. that we do not own it. we can then sue for damages because its fraud for them to have said for so many years that we did own it.

Mick Parker

Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma Well, my thinking is... Social Insurance is Insurance for your PERSON... so PERSON liens it... ya? no? .... but if you benefit from it, you bear the cost? i want nothing from them or their system, just out!!

Eamonn O Brien

You're the only party with standing... You're the lawful holder in due course to do what you want with the financial instrument... Or you don't have to do anything with it, have your corporation hold it in trust for a rainy day...

Chris Evan

Bill of Lading A document signed by a carrier (a transporter of goods) or the carrier's representative and issued to a consignor (the shipper of goods) that evidences the receipt of goods for shipment to a specified designation and person.

carrier n. in general, any person or business which transports property or people by any means of conveyance (truck, auto, taxi, bus, airplane, railroad, ship), almost always for a charge. The carrier is the transportation system and not the owner or operator of the system. There are two types of carriers: common carrier (in the regular business or a public utility of transportation) and a private carrier (a party not in the business, but agrees to make a delivery or carry a passenger in a specific instance). Regular transportation systems are regulated by states and by the Interstate Commerce Commission if they cross state lines.

CONSIGNOR, contracts. One who makes a consignment to another. 2. When goods are consigned to be sold on commission, and the property remains in the consignor; or when goods have been consigned upon a credit, and the consignee has become a bankrupt or failed, the consignor has a right to stop them in transitu. (q.v.) Abbot on Sh. p. 3, c. 3. The consignor is generally liable for the freight or the hire for the carriage of goods.

I don't get it.....Who is the CARRIER and who is the CONSIGNOR? I assume those are the 2 signatures on the BC....

Stuart Stone

My take: You're not liening a trust

You're liening property held by a trust. The name is the property.

You didn't create the name, it's not yours but you are the lawful holder in due course/administrator etc etc.

You can lien the property from the (government) trust

Why? Because you're the only party that adds any value/equity to the property/name.

You have not been paid for it or for adding value to it, so you're now claiming (ownership of) the property (name) until you are paid for it.

So what value does it have?

What value has been created so far in that name & what is a reasonable estimate of its value in the future?

The reason I have not yet liened the name into the private, company held trust yet, is because I'm waiting to perfect a few liens that will add value to the name & consequently raise the dollar value of the lien.

What are the consequences of liening the name?

The government (or any other entity) cannot extract any dollar value from the name until the first in line lien (the corporation's lien against the name held in private trust) has been fully satisfied/discharged.

This takes the name out of the public domain.

However, the value of any liens held in the private trust become part of the corporation's book value. This value can be borrowed against by the corporation, enabling it to trade in the public domain ie: commerce.

The protection is that you are not acting in the public, you (the corporation holding the private trust) have the superior claim over the name, and as sole shareholder of the corporation, you have a controlling interest as to how the property held in trust is to be managed.

If there are any errors or shitstains, feel free to give me an educational slapdown Scott Duncan :D

Stuart Stone

Of course, reserve the right to recalculate the value of the lien periodically against the price of gold, oil, bitcoins etc, just in case the (perceived) value of the paper currency gets progressively whittled away by inflation and or QE infinity ;-)

Pete Daoust

Derek Moran Derek Moran: WHOA..... have i just figured-out that my/the Birth/Stock Certificate is waiting for me to claim as soon as i show them the RECEIPT my mommy and daddy were given for it 2 weeks after i was born? (Scott clicked Like on this)

Scott Duncan: Derek Moran RE:"...as i show them the RECEIPT my mommy and daddy were given for it 2 weeks after i was born? " - It's even simpler than that. A sworn affirmation is all you need. Who's to challenge it. 3 witnesses and/or notarized, and that pretty much covers YOUR obligation.

Derek Moran: AFFIRMATION OF Derek Moran

I am Derek Moran, and 42 years ago you guys gave my parents a Revenue Receipt for DEREK MORAN, to wit, i now claim it for Derek Moran.

..simple that simple?

Pete Daoust: what rigths should I claim ????

Scott Duncan: The PERSON (DuuuH!)

Scott Duncan: The government is not a PERSON. You have a PERSON and YOU are responsible. You contracted with a TRUST, not a PERSON. The signature PROVES you UNDERSTAND.

There's ONLY ONE PERSON INVOLVED, YOURS!

THE PERSON (There IS only one in the transaction) is ALWAYS responsible.

GOVERNMENT is a TRUST.

Scott Duncan: BIRTH CERTIFICATE = BILL OF LADING

Glad I could help

Scott Duncan: Parents were the GRANTOR (one of the parties that created the bill of lading).

Listen up and pay attention.

YOU ARE THE CARRIER!

A Truck ACTING AS CARRIER is NOT "120,000 RonCo Turnip Twaddlers"!

IT IS, IN FACT, A CARRIER THAT HAS "120,000 RonCo Turnip Twaddlers"!

It's delivering it to YOU (The Beneficiary). It just hasn't arrived yet.

You don't know that YOU own the CARGO. If you OWN the cargo you are transporting you are no longer in commerce. You are transporting PROPERTY.

Derek Moran: OWN the cargo = TRANSPORTING, TRANSPORTING = no longer in commerce. . . . .CARRIERing cargo = engaged in commerce

Scott Duncan: The NAME is the CARGO, and the BIRTH CERTIFICATE is the BILL OF LADING. It's valueless on it's own. Hence the term "Sold a bill of goods".

Scott Duncan: You are letting the world know that the cargo is in fact YOURS. Nobody has the right to presume your cargo is for commerce now.

Scott Duncan: That is ALL a Lien is.

Cara Small Atherton: has the queen taken on the protector of the trusts and must make sure they answer?

Scott Duncan: No. the keeper is just the placeholder "person" for the trust.

Stuart Stone

You were probably an infant, incompetent to sign for yourself, so your responsible guardian or the state (that you are a ward of) signed on your behalf, no?

That's just me trying to logic it out...not based in any 'fact'

Anibal Jose Baez

<<Derek Moran: WHOA..... have i just figured-out that my/the Birth/Stock Certificate is waiting for me to claim as soon as i show them the RECEIPT my mommy and daddy were given for it 2 weeks after i was born? (Scott clicked Like on this)

Scott Duncan: Derek Moran RE:"...as i show them the RECEIPT my mommy and daddy were given for it 2 weeks after i was born? " - It's even simpler than that. A sworn affirmation is all you need. Who's to challenge it. 3 witnesses and/or notarized, and that pretty much covers YOUR obligation.

Derek Moran: AFFIRMATION OF Derek Moran

I am Derek Moran, and 42 years ago you guys gave my parents a Revenue Receipt for DEREK MORAN, to wit, i now claim it for Derek Moran.

..simple that simple?

Pete Daoust: what rigths should I claim ????

Scott Duncan: The PERSON (DuuuH!)

Scott Duncan: The government is not a PERSON. You have a PERSON and YOU are responsible. You contracted with a TRUST, not a PERSON. The signature PROVES you UNDERSTAND.

There's ONLY ONE PERSON INVOLVED, YOURS!

THE PERSON (There IS only one in the transaction) is ALWAYS responsible.

GOVERNMENT is a TRUST.

Scott Duncan: BIRTH CERTIFICATE = BILL OF LADING

Glad I could help

Scott Duncan: Parents were the GRANTOR (one of the parties that created the bill of lading).

Listen up and pay attention.

YOU ARE THE CARRIER!

A Truck ACTING AS CARRIER is NOT "120,000 RonCo Turnip Twaddlers"!

IT IS, IN FACT, A CARRIER THAT HAS "120,000 RonCo Turnip Twaddlers"!

It's delivering it to YOU (The Beneficiary). It just hasn't arrived yet.

You don't know that YOU own the CARGO. If you OWN the cargo you are transporting you are no longer in commerce. You are transporting PROPERTY.

Derek Moran: OWN the cargo = TRANSPORTING, TRANSPORTING = no longer in commerce. . . . .CARRIERing cargo = engaged in commerce

Scott Duncan: The NAME is the CARGO, and the BIRTH CERTIFICATE is the BILL OF LADING. It's valueless on it's own. Hence the term "Sold a bill of goods".

Scott Duncan: You are letting the world know that the cargo is in fact YOURS. Nobody has the right to presume your cargo is for commerce now.

Scott Duncan: That is ALL a Lien is.

Cara Small Atherton: has the queen taken on the protector of the trusts and must make sure they answer?

Scott Duncan: No. the keeper is just the placeholder "person" for the trust.>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/524698220899448/

David Johansen

"my/the Birth/Stock Certificate is waiting for me to claim as soon as i show them the RECEIPT my mommy and daddy were given"

what if mommy and daddy are deceased (litterally), what is the receipt? how does one identify it? can it be discovered (maybe a copy?) or is the receipt the birth certificate?

David Johansen

so i only hold a copy of the receipt as evidence of the legal person existing, and like pierre said I am the ONLY party who can administrate for it, therfore I HAVE to be responsible (remain in honor) for everything communicated to it. ah, i got it now. In those immortal words of the token french guy, "Administrate the shit out of it".

Anibal Jose Baez

There is only one "small" problem. Unfortunately in REALITY, we do not own the NAME. Using a NAME that is not OURS is FRAUD.

That is why Scott says he created ANOTHER PERSON (which could be a corporation) to be able to act in commerce for the man (a proxy), is something you created, therefore you CONTROL, while you avoid FRAUD, and have "limited liability" for the actions of the new PERSON.

So, the best position to administrate from, would be a position in which you control everything, but owe nothing, while reducing liability to almost none.

David Johansen

so you ask them (court/gov.) is this my name to use as i see fit?

it is just a coincidence that the name they created is almost the same as the name I use... ahh, so simply say, let me see that name your looking for... well, (autograph's) well thats not mine, mine looks like the autograph, nothing at all like that what you have. am i free to go?

David Johansen

AH, so whenever you write a document, allways leave the name blank, NEVER typ it in. Bev, remember the document that sayd to the clerk not to accept any pseudo freeman logic, dismiss it for one of the following ... well, when you type documents never type in the NAME anywhere... yah... original thinking...

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

If I sign as administrator on behalf of... Girl Brain... whatever... I understand any signature should be QUALIFIED... When I registered my vehicle, I signed with `beneficiary`underneath. Nuff said.

David Johansen

(remind myself to go look up non assumpsit)...

Max i intent to remove any presumption that I am a U.S. citizen by calling the State out for comitting fraud. neither ME nor the legal person named on the birth certificate were given the opportunity to comprehend/understand the scope of the situation. I dont just want to do what scott wants, take the value away from them, I want to kill it right off.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

David, send an acknowledgement of the Security Interest and Indenture that Trust. Rather than call FRAUD. It is what it is and, actually all of this COMMERCE IS FRAUD. But you don`t have any choice do you... but to use their fake money...

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

If you are referring to some FUTURE EVENT... well I guess we have some years to watch that unfold but if you are referring to that we don`t need this`"currency" ti function... then that is clearly a LIE

Anibal Jose Baez

David, you sound like you don't know what your doing. But hey, go gun-ho crazy with it. :D

Beverly, this very page showed exactly how to use YOUR OWN money, in the present, in the NOW, and how to stay away from "theirs" as much as possible.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

The whole reason why Scott has continuously said THERE IS NO REMEDY.. is because this is the monetary system we cannot function without... Yes, there are ways to use an entity other than ourselves... but there is only the possibility that WE CREATE our own currency and contract with each other therein... which is CURRENTLY not in any way established...

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Whether you use an entity other than yourself, the tender for law is still a contract in itself. You can exchange your value into Bitcoin... but it STILL needs to be exchanged back into TFL`s or FRN`s before anyone else will accept as consideration...

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

I was really looking forward to thetenderforlaw.com to really explain everything from the ground up... but then, as Scott went on, I was really looking forward to the EXCHANGE LAYER platform he was referring to. Therein be able to create our own value and having a platform of exchange for it, instead of buying Bitcoins with debt money and having to exchange it back to debt money in order to exchange it with...

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

The probability of Scott `bucking out` of facebook likely is part of his impatience with the things he was interested in years ago in trying to get us to SEE, and other argumentative/theists/cops, etc and continue his plan for an out of this legal enslavement...

Anibal Jose Baez

I understand where you are coming from, Beverly.

Hell I don't have "the answers" (although you seem to be mixing some stuff), but I sure can tell you that we all do things, not because someone put a gun to our head, but rather because we chose too.

It just takes REAL balls to take care of our own. You can TRAVEL without a passport, using YOUR OWN boat, or YOUR OWN plane, with your OWN private runway. You don't need "licenses" or "permits", but WE certainly need what we have been stripped off, and that is HUGE BALLS to take care of our own, and do things ourselves.

Same thing with money. We can have our own RIGHT NOW, but it takes some HUGE BALLS to do it. And we have been programmed with tons of excuses WHY we can't/won't do it.

Government is a freaking service, nothing else. They have guns, then you get own guns. They have laws,; hell you have your own Laws. They have "money", hell you have YOUR OWN.

I still don't have THE BALLS to completely do without government services. But hell I KNOW now what the fuck to do to get away from that shit, and that is growing some fucking balls!

Who is with me?

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Yes Max, exactly right... but I do not have a plane or my own runway, or can explain to everyone that we should just run away from this crap... but many `like the comforts`of where things are at... So when I am trying to enjoy a living, but require of my guests to give me something interesting that I can use to feed my brats and get things I need... its seriously not doable.

David Johansen

yep. bitcoin is good, except its priced itself out of the market. if you support it now without mining, your just feeding the ones holding big numbers by raising the value. but, if you wanted to move value, bitcoin is weightless, so you exchange your metal, move it and then buy it back wherever you go.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Let`s look at this monetary system as in place. The SECURITY CERTIFICATE is based on our time, energy and ideas based on... well I dunno about that. But when then could WE OURSELVES not create the same thing?

Stuart Stone

With regard to the whole currency thing...

Whenever any entity engages in commerce with the corporation, the corporation automatically acts as a currency exchange, converting FRNs (Fed Reserve Notes) into your corporate currency eg: Beverly Bucks...same way as when you go to the funfair & exchange FRNs for tickets/coupons...

The corporation is not accepting FRNs, it is exchanging them for its own domestic currency. It has not been 'paid' in FRNs, so is not liable for the tax (or other statutory rules) on FRNs...

The liability comes from ACCEPTING 'legal tender' (accepting a tender for law), not from your personal currency exchange/corporation disposing of FRNs...this was a principle discussed/described by Scott probably as far back as April this year.

Disposing of/spending FRNs has no liability attached, but ACCEPTING them as income/payment does.

If I can dredge through my notes & find the original comments, I'll post them on here...

Stuart Stone

Maybe in your charter, put one of the roles of the corporation as 'currency exchange'...whenever I hace registered a corp in Australia or UK, you need to put primary business eg: healthcare...you can also amend the list at any time...have it written in the minutes of a company meeting as to the change in policy & proceed from there.

Re passports & drivers licences etc: once the 'person' is liened into the private trust held by the corp, the drivers licence & passport etc become trust property.

Write into the trust charter that the trustee of the private trust has exclusive use of trust property (part of your compensation plan fro agreeing to act as trustee)...you are now exclusively entitled to use that trust property, but you also have evidence to demonstrate that it is trust property you are using...demonstrating that you are using the person, but are not the person...

Stuart Stone

I always thought that Scott's reference to no remedy was with regard to the courts not following their own rules...maybe I missed something :/

I also recall an argument he had with Trent Goodbaudy explaining that he hasn't used bank tender for many years because roguesupport has its own currency.

Anyway, much more to learn here, so I'll keep reading & studying :D

Stuart Stone

it's firewalls and safety nets:

Trust property puts you the woman at arms length from the person.

The corporation provides its directors with limited liability...

the currency exchange limits your exposure...

But yes, if thugs wanna take your shit, they're going to do it regardless...just look at Afghanistan as one example & most of South America as another.

It's like a guy robbing a house...with enough time & determination, he'll get in...but put bars on the windows, alarms on the doors, a couple of rottweilers & a big alarm system & he's more likely to go n rob your neighbour, not you.

The aim is to become difficult prey so 'they' go after the low hanging fruit first.

Anibal Jose Baez

My understanding of Scott saying we have no remedy, it's because MOST have not realized that we are, LITERALLY, SLAVES (some motherfuckers have CLAIMED ALL EARTH, US INCLUDED, Hellos?), and that there is a group of men that have FAR MORE KNOWLEDGE than most of us will ever dream of, and that the whole system thing is just an ILLUSION to try to hide what is truly our REALITY.

That's what I've got so far.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Yes but Scott is very annoyed with losing his home, that was paid for... which he explicitly shared... One shares more of their own struggle... which would become their reasoning for, let`s say starting a FB page or something...

Stuart Stone

The Admiral is a very intelligent man & a computer geek of the highest order...I would be very surprised if he doesn't have at least half a dozen FB accounts floating around here so he can keep a finger on the pulse...he probably holds more than one of the silent accounts in this forum, so he may check in on proceedings at any time, anonymously & without commenting ;-)

August le Blanc

Weiss trust does not cover .... operations of a corporation when forming a trust. The magic is created at the inception of the trust by covenant or agreement, the corporation is the Actor... The charter of the corporation is an act that includes statutes- law... sound familiar? An ACT is Law. In the context of corporate charter in the private domain. And it is PRIVATE.

August le Blanc

Act Something done; usually, something done intentionally or voluntarily or with a purpose.

The term encompasses not only physical acts�such as turning on the water or purchasing a gun�but also refers to more intangible acts such as adopting a decree, edict, law, judgment, award, or determination. An act may be a private act, done by an individual managing his or her personal affairs, or it may be a public act, done by an official, a council, or a court. When a bill is favorably acted upon in the process of legislation, it becomes an act.

Anibal Jose Baez

<<When you understand what money is, you can construct money through VALUE.

If it exists in the real world, it has VALUE. Any currency used to track that VALUE, when exchanging goods, is MONEY OF EXCHANGE.

Bitcoin, on the other hand, does not exist in the real world. Only its mysterious creators have any COPYHOLD on the VALUE. That's the thing about Bitcoin - in the end the guys that created it, get all the money. They get this because people volunteer to take alpha-test-grade, proof-of-concept code, and open their computers up to the Internet. They then give hardware-level access to their memory, processor, GPU and hard drive, to a rogue, autonomous process that their empty, little heads couldn't even dream of understanding, with no one paying attention to its original intent -- which is to prove that it could be done.

Don't get me wrong, there are people who are doing this on purpose, because the VALUE is returned almost immediately. For Bitcoin has all the properties of gold, without the liabilities. Bitcoin is but one cryptographic currency. AQUILAE has its own cryptographic currency. It cannot be counterfeited, and is a near-perfect accounting mechanism. AQUILAE is not even a PERSON, it's a TRUST. If a TRUST can have a currency, why can't you? What I am building for everyone here, is a method to remove the middle-man. If you have your own currency, you don't need a bank. If cryptographic currencies can't be counterfeited, then it's trade cannot be regulated. It remains within the private realm and the ease at which you can convert your currency to MONEY OF EXCHANGE anywhere in the world, is directly proportional to your VALUE. In the current economic framework, backed by debt-based FIAT currency, the only legitimate path to wealth is to produce, to make something in the real world that didn't exist before. >> Scott Duncan

David Johansen

ah, just to note, i saw somewhere (in law) that the mere act of keeping a ledger, even if it were a scrap of paper and not a pretty notebook, the ledger in and of itself is proof of a party performing banking, and they are liable for collecting taxes on sales. i have also heard through the movies that cops are trained to recognize such a thing if/when performing a search of a premesis for any evidence. the ledger for bitcoin is public without any names attached UNLESS one admits to a knowledge of such thing existing.