August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 4:31 PM
I do not know anything about a shady trust. But to create a PRIVATE trust Is a different matter.... Create a corporation with you as director and sole shareholder... it is a person under law. Draw up a Trust agreement. Where you are the Director and sole beneficiary and the corporation is the TRUSTEE. Get an accountant to manage the corporate books.


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 5:00 PM
Shady Trust was in reference to a comment by another poster about Aquilae. And yes, I am fully aware of that outline, however...in order to create a Corporation here in the States (and what you defined may be construed as a Corp Sole) one needs to produce either a Social Security Number, or other identifying number. Scott also mentioned buying one in Delaware. I actually already have one that was created under a former SSN that I used to use....but how does one create a corporation and keep MYSELF completely separate? "Draw up a Trust agreement" - how? And doesn't a TRUST just hold property? How, if I personally have the property in my private capacity, do I start a corporation privately? Also, if I have a corporation, how do I make it so it doesn't have its VALUE stolen through bureaucracy and Statutes? And this ^ is where I am getting lost


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:09 PM
A Private Trust is exactly that PRIVATE... I had to use my all caps name to register the corporation... which is a PRIVATE MATTER of the TRUST.... PUBLIC NOTICE was issued that this is so with the help of TTFL... PUBLIC NOTICE TAKE NOTICE that the VESSEL known as JASON FREDRICK LE BLANC is now the LAWFUL PROPERTY of a PRIVATE TRUST per the wishes of the CREATOR and GRANTOR. Therefore: LET IT BE KNOWN THAT AS OF THIS DATE, BEING FEBRUARY 27, 2013, THE VESSEL KNOWN AS JASON FREDRICK LE BLANC MUST BE CONSIDERED A PRIVATE VESSEL WITH NO COMMERCE EXPECTED AND/OR IMPLIED. PARTIES ATTEMPTING TO USE JASON FREDRICK LE BLANC FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES MAY BE FINED AT THE RATE OF SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS PER DAY ($6,000 PER DAY) OR ANY PART THEREOF, FOR UNAUTHORIZED USE. Questions regarding this NOTICE may be addressed to the DULY AUTHORIZED TRUSTEE CORPORATION, [ 1732964 ALBERTA LTD.] at (587) 719-2112. By: Jason Fredrick Le Blanc President/ Creator/ Grantor/ Sole Beneficiary.


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:10 PM
SHADY and TRUST are not compatible... didn't see other post


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:12 PM
It is A PRIVATE TRUST... it is what ever you say it it is ;-)


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 5:12 PM
How is using a PUBLIC NAME and/or NUMBER a private matter? I just can't wrap my brain around this.......


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:13 PM
If entities wish to contract with you it is on your terms.


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:14 PM
The corporation liens the name and it is TRUST PROPERTY.


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 5:14 PM
So, I have a corporation. It has 275,000 shares and I own all of them. It was created through my PUBLIC NAME AND NUMBER. But I DO NOT feel comfortable using it. Am I wrong?


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:15 PM
LOOK UP the word PRIVATE...


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 5:15 PM
Ok....so the corporation commissions the TRUST, then the TRUST liens the corporation?


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:16 PM
you would be sole shareholder... and director... Scott says to model corporate structure after the USA.. president etc...


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 5:17 PM
I comprehend all of this. I just can't wrap my brain around how starting this with a PUBLIC NAME AND NUMBER isn't going to cause me problems down the road


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:17 PM
NO the corporation is TRUSTEE... YOu would be Director and Sole Beneficiary... the corporation follows the TRUSTS wishes..


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 5:18 PM
Lets start over........I start a corporation with my PUBLIC NAME (which I already have)


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 5:18 PM
Then who draws up a trust agreement?


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:20 PM
YOU DO..... It is yours .. It s PRIVATE any who wishes to engage has to abide by the TRUSTS BY-LAWS which Are PRIVATE and What ever you say they are... You become the GRANTOR AND CREATOR...


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 5:21 PM
ME or me?


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:22 PM
You in the capacity of GRANTOR and CREATOR...


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:24 PM
The corporation is an an ASSEST of The TRUST...


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Gail Marie

Jul 18, 2013 5:25 PM
isn't a benefit of recognizing and using the PUBLIC NAME, such that you lien the value of it through your corporation, which then gives value to your corporation as well?


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 5:25 PM
being such... your rules your playground... and yes Gail Blackman


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Gail Marie

Jul 18, 2013 5:28 PM
Jason, am I comprehending accurately, to say that any bills currently in my PUBLIC NAME will then have a name change to the name of the trust once I create the trust...and an accountant will take care of ensuring they are paid etc..all the things I do now?


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 5:41 PM
Jason F. LeBlanc, ok...the NAME is liened by the corporation....now, you have to go to hospital, WHO pays WHO regarding that ?....I mean, is the government has no choice but to deal this with THE corporation ?, and then the corporation pays the hospital ?


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:10 PM
No Gail Blackman no name change ... the name is trust property for the duration of the lien...


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:12 PM
The NAME is your vessel in commerce... it is trust property...if you have to go to the hospital..use the health system use your property... and then take care of it as trust business... utilizing the methods of remittance...


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:15 PM
The courts are not authorized to use it until you consent which is NEVER...


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:15 PM
PUBLIC NOTICE= BILL OF EXCHANGE


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:19 PM
The corporation is TRUST PROPERTY


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Sino General

Jul 18, 2013 6:22 PM
No comment from Scott Duncan ? Its his trust they speak of here lol...


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:22 PM
So the TiTLE (NAME) is administrated by the TRUSTEE ( CORPORATION) which you are the sole shareholder and Director.... which answer to the TRUST of which you are Director and Sole BEneFiciary


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:25 PM
NOT speaking of Scott's trust, Discussing the formation and implementation of a PRIVATE TRUST. Which I attribute to knowledge freely shared by Scott Duncan, ChiefRock Sino General all due respect.


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Sino General

Jul 18, 2013 6:26 PM
The original question was, how to make a trust like Scott Duncan trust.


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Sino General

Jul 18, 2013 6:28 PM
If anyone were to read a trust book, the first few chapters explain it quite easily...there are pdfs on my contract law page...if anyone is interested, instead of reading posts, a book about it is much easier to find information. Jason F. LeBlanc your comments are good, just saying folks should pick up a book and read once in a while


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:28 PM
Yes it was, however it morphed into a This... as I do not feel a tingly sensation .... all must be well


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 6:30 PM
Copy that CheifRock ChiefRock Sino General ;-)


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:19 PM
Gail Blackman No name change it is TRUST property once leined, I posted this answer a while ago and it disappeared...


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 7:19 PM
thanks guys....but this has cleared up nothing in my brain. what is a book to read on this?


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 7:21 PM
here is what i dont get....if its private, why is it started pubically. And why does the corporation need to be started publically?


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:21 PM
go to ChiefRock Sino General page and look for the pdf's he mentions..


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Gail Marie

Jul 18, 2013 7:22 PM
I think the strategy is more related to surviving the admiralty system because everything is so entrenched in it as opposed to being free like a bird would be?


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Gail Marie

Jul 18, 2013 7:22 PM
Thanks Jason F. LeBlanc


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Scott Duncan

Jul 18, 2013 7:23 PM
Oh FFS. I need to sit down to go through all this... I DO have a life you know :P


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Scott Duncan

Jul 18, 2013 7:23 PM
*sigh*


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Gail Marie

Jul 18, 2013 7:24 PM
that Scott Duncan is such a great guy!


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:24 PM
The TRUST makes you free


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 7:25 PM
whats FFS?


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Gail Marie

Jul 18, 2013 7:25 PM
it makes you more free but you are still bound by trust law ..no?


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 7:25 PM
yep, he is an ANGEL Gail Blackman :D


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:25 PM
For Fuck Sakes


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:27 PM
Yes, you are bound by trust law... but it is your trust so what is your law?


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:29 PM
SCOTT DUNCANISM " What ever the fuck I say it is so FUCK OFF that's why"


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:35 PM
To be completely honest I did not get it till I did it... then it all fell into place


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:36 PM
I now UNDERSTAND the PRIVATE TRUST to which I am the Director and sole beneficiary...


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August le Blanc

Jul 18, 2013 7:38 PM
hitting the books see ya later


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Gail Marie

Jul 18, 2013 7:38 PM
see you Jason, thanks


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Rick Carne

Jul 18, 2013 8:33 PM
Public name was created by the state, the state is the grantor of that Name...that name was created for the specific use in commerce...it is commercial by creation...if you claim that name you are surety for it...


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Scott Duncan

Jul 18, 2013 8:35 PM
Rick Carne... WELCOME :D


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 8:35 PM
yes rick, that is exactly my point!


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 8:36 PM
now why would i use it?


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Scott Duncan

Jul 18, 2013 8:37 PM
Seriously people, he just summed it all up. Add the Scott Duncanism: "It's ALL ACCOUNTING and SURETY", and you can see exactly how it works.


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Rick Carne

Jul 18, 2013 8:37 PM
you must create a proxy to operate the corporation to avoid the liabilities associated with the corporation....


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Scott Duncan

Jul 18, 2013 8:39 PM
Things would be easy here if everyone grasped those VERY SIMPLE POINTS.


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Rick Carne

Jul 18, 2013 8:39 PM
accounting is not just the "counting of numbers"....


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 8:39 PM
yes....that is the answer i am looking for. how does one do thar


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Rick Carne

Jul 18, 2013 8:39 PM
later! going to the beach!.......


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 8:40 PM
Accountability


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 8:40 PM
You can count on me I'll pay :D


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 8:43 PM
you must create a proxy to operate the corporation: Another corporation ? :/


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 8:44 PM
A professional with LIMITED LIABILITIES ?


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 8:44 PM
ya pierre...now i am gonna have to figure out what he was talking about


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 8:47 PM
I know what he means, I just can't figure the PROXY form...It has to be someone you TRUST very much.....which bring me TRUSTEE in my head....someone in that corporation need to be the DECISION MAKER, and need to have NOTHING to do with shareholder, administrator, ggggrrrrrrr........


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 8:50 PM
Someone with lots of power, with no shares and not LIABLE to the corporation....Like the CEO of HYDRO-QUEBEC :D


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 8:50 PM
Or the CEO of QRA or CRA :D


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Pete Daoust

Jul 18, 2013 8:50 PM
Scott Duncan please ? :(


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Derek Moran

Jul 18, 2013 9:07 PM
In the Contract-class i was taking, we touched on Trusts BRIEFLY. However, someone did have a question regarding setting up a Trust, and the answer the Instructor gave who is a lawyer was- "A Trust can be set-up through nothing more than a contract" Of course- being the only one in my class apart of this group i immediately shot my hand up- "All ive ever heard about setting-up a Trust, is that you have to create a corporation in order to do it." Her answer was- "Well, you can do that too, if you choose to" "OK, but going by what you just said there- you made it sound like you dont necessarily have to set-up a corporation, in order to set-up a Trust...and that a Trust could be set-up SOLELY through the making of a contract." Her answer: "Yes. You dont necessarily have to go through setting-up a corporation, you're right." 'Wise-man' once told me- "The CONTRACT she is referring to, is the CHARTER required of in setting-up any Trust"


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Derek Moran

Jul 18, 2013 9:22 PM
..but who would be signing as the ACCEPTOR of this contract/Charter, creating this particular TRUST?


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Bill Wiethaup

Jul 18, 2013 9:31 PM
The trust starts out with a Grantor. And it's correct in stating that you do not need a corporation to set up the trust.


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Gail Marie

Jul 18, 2013 9:39 PM
I may be off in my comprehension but isn't it beneficial to have the corporation for at the least exchanging currency, as a bank does?


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Chris Evan

Jul 18, 2013 9:39 PM
witnessed! the constitution was witnessed


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Chris Evan

Jul 21, 2013 2:20 AM
Why does everyone talk in CODE?


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Pete Daoust

Jul 21, 2013 2:23 AM
awwww....don't worry Chris Schulte, secrets will be revealed to you in proper time :D


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August le Blanc

Jul 21, 2013 4:59 AM
He who creates owns..


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J.c. Of-the Family-Pearson

Jul 21, 2013 6:33 AM
yes i wondered myself about setting up the corporation and getting it registered with the State of Michigan, i need to figure that part out and how all this works for the corporation and trust etc...it seemed weird that one would deal with the State i just want to make sure its right or wrong.


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August le Blanc

Jul 21, 2013 2:30 PM
The corporation is the trustee... It is a person, fuck, The PRIVATE Trust has its very own bylaws ( Whatever the FUCK I SAY THEY ARE and ITS PRIVATE) and the corporation is an assest of the trust responsible only to it's shareholders ... guess what... you are the sole shareholder... you create the Trust, your vessel is an instrument that the Trust holds and you get to write the tune... You the human... utilize your creations at your pleasure.... You created the corporation, you created the trust, you benefit from said entities.. Liening you all caps name as director of that trust... cuts them off at the pass.... It isolates you in Admiralty law.. Trusts were created to obfuscate assets from the crown... Trust Law is the highest form of law.. Essentially you are duplicating what the gov't did at birth when they created an security agreemnt and gave you the Birth certificate to hold as trustee... Bill of lading= bill of exchange.. By The TRUST liening the name you authorize who can use it... If they want to do business with you it is on your terms... so fuck off CRA, FUCK off RCMP, Fuck Off any unauthorized use... PERIOD. And you LIVE happily ever after....:-). Only this Is NOT a fairy tale


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August le Blanc

Jul 21, 2013 3:22 PM
P.S. I have a digital copy of the aqualiae covenant... with Scott Duncan's permission I will post... as that is not my business


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Wayne Brown

Jul 21, 2013 11:00 PM
I would like to read the covenant, if Scott Duncan gives his consent.


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Derek Moran

Nov 13, 2013 9:53 PM
Rick Carne Public name was created by the state, the state is the grantor of that Name...that name was created for the specific use in commerce...it is commercial by creation...if you claim that name you are surety for it... July 18 at 4:33pm � Like � 6 Scott Duncan Rick Carne... WELCOME Scott Duncan Seriously people, he just summed it all up. Add the Scott Duncanism: "It's ALL ACCOUNTING and SURETY", and you can see exactly how it works. Rick Carne you must create a proxy to operate the corporation to avoid the liabilities associated with the corporation....


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