The Tender For Law

Volume 3

Jul 13, 2013 2:59 AM

Robert Cormier

news tidbit....Sometime early last year, I signed a government document Director for: Robert Cormier. The gov worker looked at it and said I couldn't sign it in that manner and that I had to use the signature that was on my driver's license. I told her that I could draw a bunny if I wanted to, as it was my mark, and that my mark could not be dictated by the government. Anyways I was refused service for four months. Wrote them a number of letters. In the end, I was given services and my claim was back dated. More recently, I was asked to sign a government document to obtain services once again. I asked the gov worker what would happen if I didn't sign it. She said I wouldn't be given services. I told her that I didn't agree with the offered contract and that there was no "meeting of minds". She essentially said take it or leave it. I told her I'd sign it, which I did, and handed the document back to her. She looked at it and said "What's this?". She was referring to the fact that I signed it UNDER STRESS AND DURESS, followed by my signature. She said that she couldn't accept it like that and would need to speak to her supervisor. She came back and said that her supervisor would need to take it up the chain of command. Anyways, when asked why I signed it like that, I took the document from her, put an asterisk beside my name. At the bottom of the page I put another asterisk and wrote; "It is my understanding that I will not be given access to my trust of which I and all Canadians are beneficiaries unless I sign a contract which I don't agree with. As I need these services for my well being I signed it as indicated above." Several days passed. Finally, I was called and told that I would receive all benefits. Before hanging up the phone, the gov worker asked me if I'd please try to comply with the majority of their performance requirements. I said that I'd consider it and hung up.

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Robert Cormier

Curiously, they claimed that MY LEGAL SIGNATURE was the one that was on my passport or drivers license and that they were legally obligated to ensure that I was legally who I claimed to be. I told them that they merely had to look at the picture of me and informed them that I could write my signature on a piece of paper in the "old way" just to further verify that "I was who I claimed to be". Footnote: I have renewed my license and wrote Director for: followed by my signature. At Service Ontario I had initially tried this with a signature and I put a box around my signature - thinking of the FOUR CORNER RULE, however, when the woman scanned the signature card in the computer scanner, her screen read "Signature declined", or some such similar notion. I had her call her Supervisor, who called the head, or, regional office, and they said that the government wouldn't allow me to put a box around my signature.

Maximilian Poe

I went to my 80 year old Uncle's old folks home to take him to his Doctors appointment just as I have done several times before.The employee/nurse presents me with a document with her employers corporate logo at the top and some spiel about him being semi ambulatory and other bullshit that I didn't read.She told me to sign it then I could go.I asked her why! She said the company lawyers got together and came up with this form.I told her I did not sign things crafted by lawyers.Her reply with a crazy mean intimating face was "What do you mean you DON'T SIGN THINGS" I retorted Just what I said I Don't sigh things! I went on to say "look I am here to take my uncle to his appointment ,are YOU telling me that YOU will not let me take him if I don't sign that paper.I then said That is for your benefit not mine! She looks at me now smiling and says you are right,I will get him to sign it and I said YOU do that.He had to sign as surety for himself to leave his own home lol I took him to the appointment lmao!

Robert Cormier

Pete Daoust: I went on Welfare when my mother became sick with cancer and needed my care 24/7. Can't collect Employment Insurance because I was an "employer" and not an "employee". Which is quite ironic because we are all considered employees. Being that I was requesting welfare benefits is what makes my case extra note worthy as I seem to recall Scott Duncan comment along the lines of...those who accept Welfare are fucked and have no rights whatsoever. PS. I'm not a bum. I've always worked hard and have been using my time to get myself set up in my own business once again. This is what I'm constructing now to become self employed (amongst other ventures) : http://hotshotstudios.net/ PS. It's starting to take off and I'll be off welfare soon.

Pete Daoust

I was born in welfare Robert Cormier, I was was deep into it from 0 to 16 years old......today, I'm 47 and NEVER touched that welfare thing since then....I have broke the pattern.....but I will NEVER judge those who need it for a short period of time, I'm not in their head and not in their life....but those who live on welfare all their life and drink beer and are toothless and stinking....like my mother and father....I have no respect for those, I even have to stay away from those, I may have a tantrum thing if I get too close :D

Robert Cormier

I should add that I informed my worker that whomever refused my claim would find themselves at the wrong end of a civil case and that I would hold them personally responsible and I would also press charges under section 337 of the Criminal Code of Canada. It's my contention (until corrected) that my application was a hot potato that no-one wanted to hold onto and become the worker who would accept potential surety in the mater.

Robert Cormier

I agree generally with your sentiment about generations of families being on it Pete Daoust. Although, having said that, as a student of sociology, I understand the difficulties of breaking those family patterns as we only know what we are taught. Anyways, there goes any future I might have considered in politics. LOL :D

Robert Cormier

I'm "scared" of driving around as Dean Clifford does for two reasons: a) I am single father and I could see F&CS trying to take my son away if I am in jail as he has no other LEGAL GUARDIAN. b) I am currently not in a financial position to buy vehicle after vehicle after vehicle etc. to replace those that would likely be stolen from me. This leads me to a new post that I'll type up shortly. Stay tuned. :)

Pete Daoust

Good thing is that when they fuck around with one of them, like Scott for example, they shoot themself, it's like a suicide :-D, and me, lucky bastard I am, I happened to be here while this Noble Scott guy is about to fire back at his semblabe... :-D

Robert Cormier

It's all smoke and mirrors. THEY infer they are our best and most loyal friends and are there to come to our rescue at a moments notice, and that there are troves of them at our beck and call, yet, they are the predominant manufacturer of not only our fears, but, what ails us collectively.

Robert Cormier

I don't mean to pry. To be clear, i was wondering if you are from Ontario and live on a farm, or if tou arranged that address with a friend. I was thinking of doing the same for my address. Was also wondering what country/province/state because as I said, here in Ontario, they scan the signature and a computer program determines if it is acceptable.

Robert Cormier

Perhaps the downside of computer programming Scott Duncan? Everything can be used for good or the dark side. Yes, the government program scans the signature at Service Ontario. The program implemented decides if it is acceptable or not. Of course the beauty of having Service Ontario is that they are not my servants, and, additionally, are now legally indemnified for their actions (as I understand it - trying not to make a shit stain). Clever nobles. Almost an impregnable ingenious, but for the problem solving skills of you Scott? There must be a workaround.

David Johansen

"they claimed that MY LEGAL SIGNATURE was the one that was on my passport or drivers license" oh, ok, which one? [should i try copying?] (lol)

so then the one i just authored on this napkin (for educational purposes), that is not. correct?

Gail Marie

talking with the Service Ontario reps at all levels is like talking to a robot, they just say the same thing..."we can't do that" for everything outside of "their job" and if a hint of logic is displayed they say its ministry guidelines they're following take it up with the ministry. I'm still working on not attaching my thinking to my person when responding....I like what David Johansen said above..I need to work on that kind of thinking outside the programming

Brenda Larson

I phoned up power co. To make payment arrangements. They wanted my account number gave them that, and my name. Then they wanted my date of birth or last three digits of my social insurance number. I said no. This always throws them for a loop. Power co. Broad says I can't take your info and access your account and prevent a disconnection order. I told her all I wanted ways to make arrangements not change service or have it disconnected. She said can't help you unless you give me that info. I said so if some else wants to pay my account and they don't have that specific info you won't take that payment. That's right. Well I told her I didn't want any personal info about the account already know everything about it, just want to make payment arrangement. I need that info. You can tell me what you want to do but I can't access your account with out that info. I told her you just want me to commit to the legal person. She said that's right, something to do with government of Nova Scotia and how they set everything up. I went in circles with her for a while and then thought this isn't worth it and gave her date of birth. Then went to pick up corn for our chickens. They wanted phone number and address. This was really starting to piss me off. I said what do you need that for? Oh in case there is a recall on the feed. I said I'm not getting feed, I'm getting corn. Well we can't sell you feed until we get a phone number and address. Ok I'll play you're little game. They didn't say it had to be my phone number and address.