The Tender For Law

Volume 3

Jul 09, 2013 8:02 PM

Derek Moran

Scott on the significance of Birth Certificates issued to Children and Grandchildren of VETERAN OFFICERS of WW2- thread. . . . .

Leigh OftheHouseof Collins: I have two different birth certificates issued. Both with different letters and numbers. One legal name spelled all caps and the other does not. Is there a reason why? Do I have two persons?

Scott Duncan: Names on Birth certificates that are NOT in ALL CAPS and have a BLANK BACK were issued to the Children and Grandchildren of VETERAN OFFICERS of WW2.

Leigh OftheHouseof Collins: 'Birth certificates that are NOT in ALL CAPS and have a BLANK BACK were issued to the Children and Grandchildren of VETRAN OFFICERS of WW2.' Does that entitle me to something more? And why did they not issue the same one when requested, instead of an ALL CAPS name?

Scott Duncan: The "VETERAN'S Offspring" version (It has no official name) gives you BENEFIT, without liability.

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Scott Duncan

If you want to circle-jerk to clubhouse rules, you're gonna have to work for it.

Go back to 1933. study the law THEN. STOP when Princess Elizabeth Windsor called her subjects to war! ...by asking nicely. skip to 1945. read all legislation regarding "Armistice Day" (November 11th).

Fun Fact: My Grandfather NEVER forgot their anniversary. My grandmother made that VERY clear when they married... which My grandfather chose to be November 11th. Armistice Day. Which was changed to REMEMBRANCE DAY.

Anyway,, he was a very busy man. but poppies always meant the anniversary was approaching. :D

Derek Moran

cant find any existence of an old Armistice Day Act, this is the only recent thing i can come up with:

http://canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=remembrance+day+act&language=en&searchTitle=Search+all+CanLII+Databases&path=/en/on/laws/stat/so-1997-c-18/latest/so-1997-c-18.html&searchUrlHash=AAAAAQATcmVtZW1icmFuY2UgZGF5IGFjdAAAAAAAAAE

Derek Moran

"...gives you BENEFIT, without LIABILITY..."

That LIABILITY of the birth certificate usually being, that you are PRESUMED to be a TRUSTEE of the government. Since you are presumed to be a Trustee of the government, this is what gives them their ASSUMED jurisdiction, that they have PRESUMED over us, that all their Acts-and-statutes *cue Peter Hogg* apply to us all too.

Derek Moran

But what...if you were a child or grandchild, of a WW2 veteran, and you have one of these birth certificates, its what, proof that i have 'special-status' somehow that Acts-and-statutes dont apply to me?

Somehow i picture Telly Savalas sitting on the corner of The Crown's table holding-up my "Veteran's Offspring" birth-certificate in court: "He's got a CLUB-card, his grandaddy was a veteran - remember who loves'ya, BABY!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6FQNPmJFLs

Derek Moran

OK, so which leads me to why i asked you about where i could go to look this up- cuz as you've said on a number of occasions - NONE OF THIS IS HIDDEN!

However- i dont think its going to be as easy as telling a police officer, The Crown, a Justice, or any other public servant - "My PAPA was in WW2- so none of your Acts-and-statutes apply to me, cuz IM SPECIAL"

..i can just imagine that this would all be their reactions to that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo

Derek Moran

Wait a second!. . .if my particular BC is some sort of EXEMPTION-card. . .would this explain why alot of people have on the back of the SIN-card they have the letters 'NAS,' while mine, have the letters- 'EMP.' . . . . .is this referring to some sort of an EXEMPTION, once again? :/

Derek Moran

OK now, wait a second-second!. . . . .if the BC, is ultimately a BILL OF LADING, that needs to be DELIVERED eventually in regards to 'the GOODS'. . . . .but the bc I HAVE, is one of some sorta 'SPECIAL-STATUS' card, im guessing this is a document that i would wanna HOLD ONTO, but which puts me into a bit of a CATCH-22. . . . .i wanna hold onto this document for the STATUS it represents, yet, i also have to DELIVER it at some point :/

(...i see you and ChiefRock are just about to enter The Octagon)

Derek Moran

See- this is what BLOWS my fucking mind. Scott reveals this information (and imaginary-God Bless you for that, too), that OTHERWISE, I, and nobody else in a MILLION years, would've ever have known otherwise- not to mention, who would have even have ever THOUGHT to ask the government- "Oh by the way, since my father/grandfather was a WW2 Vet, does my Birth Certificate have an extra-special-meaning behind it that allows me to BENEFIT from it in some super, special, secret way??"......these fuckin' guys are unbelievable

Lei Gh

Children of Canadian military personnel deceased for more than 20 years can have limited access to their father's or mother's military records provided they have proof of relationship and / or obituary. The proof of relationship is a birth certificate with father's name included (which is often not available to War Children unfortunately). Living military personnel can also access their own files.

Derek Moran

THAT reminded me Leigh, about CITIZENSHIP:

THE RIGHT TO CITIZENSHIP Marginal note: Persons who are citizens

3. (1) Subject to this Act, a person is a citizen IF

(a) the person was born in Canada AFTER February 14, 1977;

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/FullText.html

Derek Moran

So at some point you must've sent PROPER NOTICE to all INTERESTED PARTIES of your STATUS regarding your being the grandchild of a WW2-Veteran, while also informing them that you had one of their birth certificates that identified you as being a "Veterans Offspring," and the LIABILTY this particular BC freed you of?

Derek Moran

Wait-a-second, part III. . . ."gives you benefit, without LIABILITY"

WITHOUT liability. . . . .now i know the dirty-word thats frowned-upon being used in the FREE-DUMB movement is sovereign/sovereignty- BUT.....

If this particular Birth Certificate- "gives you. . .WITHOUT the liability"...... then 'a fortiori,' how can that lead one NOT to conclude through sheer deduction, that effectively.....

WITHOUT liability, in this case = SOVEREIGN/SOVEREIGNTY

..am i dreaming, Scott Duncan? *wipes the sand away from his eyes*

August le Blanc

...HOLY FUKING SHIT,

I have one, From 64, My Grandpa was a WW2 Veteran. Lost my SIN Card years ago. remember the number though... When I liened The ALL CAPS, I wondered about the discrepancy between MY BC and the all caps name.

My BC Jason Fredrick Le Blanc.... RED number on back... blank space. However life and its ups and downs have kept me busy.

I have some Mistakes to Remedy.

Cara Small

I have an interesting situation with my birth cert(s). I have 2 completely different ones. The first one was issued to my mother and my name is not in all caps, with her family name as mine. There is also NO red number anywhere on the cert. BUT I am pretty sure my grandpa was NOT a WW2 vet. The second, on the other hand, was issued a year later (my father came into the picture and married my mother) and HIS father WAS a WW2 vet (fighter pilot). However, my name IS in all caps on this one and there is the red number in the corner. Both certs are blank on the back.

T?lis B?auns

{Marc Boyer 's} father was an accountant before & after WW2, and he knew the dark implications of getting a Birth Certificate. He enlisted as an Officer in the Canadian Army and at the end of the war, he could and did declare himself and his descendants to be not liable for the debt encoured by the war, and in so doing I was not required to get a Birth Certificate. He repeatedly told me to never get one, [if i could avoid it] because I was not a subject of a paper queen and i was not a million dollar baby- i was priceless and apparently unique, so much so that i can say that i'm the last Commonwealth naturally born unfettered freeman left in the world. I simply have diligently went out of my way all my life to never fall for any trap that would give me a Birth Certificate or a person; [like never applying for credit} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPeBv85Shm4&list=UUyhLOrkhmq5sOCCGNa5X4bw&index=17

Derek Moran

My grandfather who was in WW2 must've got a new BC in about 1961. His name is spelled in ALL CAPS on it. However...while he does have 5 numbers in red on the back of it, there is NO letter in front of the number, which, is attributable to a CUSIP-number i.e. A12345

Scott Duncan

*sigh* Brauns Orig Libau T?lis, this is what, we at THE TENDER FOR LAW, like to call a "shit stain". What you posted...is a load of shit.

NOW I have to CLEAN the shit-stain.

I'll let Rick Mercer do it.

http://youtu.be/3vqyfY7cZPk

T?lis B?auns

R.Mercer: "(Canada) A system that seems to be broken, was hard at work. God save the Queen!" D.Clifford: ~the Queen is a dutiful slave of the Crown, and in Canada we are the Crown.~ www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFuKkM-tqN0

David Johansen

mine is hand written, proper, only first letter is capitalized in the name, and the back is blank. I am only a 2nd generation american, none of my grandparents were in any war (military), and my father was in the US army mid 50's somewhere between 55 and 58 i imagine as my older brother was born in 60 2yrs after they were married

Pete Daoust

Me, I used it as my employee number for several years, and I had NO IDEA I was doing such a thing. NO ONE ever gave me a FORMATION as an employee of the Government, Neither I had received any INFORMATIONS about it.... :( I feel like I've got raped, and I hate being raped, and I have good reasons to believe that I will LEARN enough in here that I will NOT be raped no more....anyway, we'll see.....

Pierre is thinking out loud and sharing :D

Derek Moran

Stella Holiday's letter continues: "Before 1947, persons born in Canada, such as your father, were considered British subjects [...] Canadian citizenship only gained legal recognition when the former Act came into force on January 1, 1947. Therefore you are not described as a citizen."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/peter-worthington/canadian-immigration_b_1423490.html

Derek Moran

BTW Leigh- i forgot to post.....'Wise-man' recently said to me when i asked him in terms of "...without the liabilities..." in regards to this type of BC, if he meant it provides those who have one- "...sovereign immunity...?"

His answer was- "In a way of sorts, but you have to realize...this is based on something in which TWO GENERATIONS have passed since it was first implemented, based on old-policies that nobody currently working for the Government would probably have any knowledge of"

Derek Moran

ESTOPPEL CERTIFICATE: 1. A signed statement by a party (such as a tenant or a mortgagee) certifying for ANOTHER'S BENEFIT that certain facts are correct, such as that a lease exists, that there are no defaults, and that rent is paid to a certain date. - A party's DELIVERY of this statement estops that party from later claiming a different state of facts. 2. See WAIVER OF CLAIMS AND DEFENSES. Black's Law 9th