Chances are the "" Application "" is not as the GRANTEE but rather the GRANTOR. The approve your Full Faith and Credit and convert it to those Digital or plastic bills then tell you that you have been approved for the loan which is PRINCIPLE and INTEREST plus some timed addition fees. Now you always deal with them as the GRANTEE showing up with the papers of the GRANTEE. But you never show up as the GRANTOR and ORIGINAL documentation to collect YOUR PRINCIPAL that has been converted and given back to the bank to return to the GRANTOR minus the INTEREST and other fees. The bank is there to CONVERT your Full Faith and Credit into some thing that an be used. They keep the PRINCIPAL since the GRANTOR has not claimed it. Have you EVER noticed that they ALWAYS want the Interest first? It's like they don't even care about the PRINCIPAL. This is MY understanding of how it works. There are SOME occasions where OTHER peoples real money is used in which case you really ARE borrowing from some one else though. This is just my understanding.

To the question at the end of the OP. Yes, just go in as the GRANTOR withe original document which is a fiduciary instrument. Not sure exactly what type though.

Yep yep yep ;-D

Don't pay the kunts pete. It's your money not theirs. They've already on sold your alleged DEBT to another party for around eighty cents on the dollar. Fraud, Theft, Theft by deception......ASK THEM FOR THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT......OOOPPSS. ...WE HAVE A PROBLEM. CONTRACT IS NULL & VOID.

Pete Daoust they didn't create anything, they 'Converted' your signature, which represents your full faith and credit . If they could create it they wouldn't need you. I hope I don't start to feel a tingling sensation.

I have created it Chad Brodgesell.....with my signature........so it has to be mine....

They've helped me doing it...so they will get paid for their help...INTEREST

Just remarking on you saying "They create" Just saying.

CREATOR. GRANTOR DRAWER DRAWEE PAYER PAYEE

SETTLOR

TRUST

TRUSTEE

JHONNY

JOHNNY..

You know ALL this Pete Daoust. Send them an affidavit ASKING WHERE THE FUCK IS THE "ORIGINAL" CONTRACK KUNTS ?? OH...you've only a COPY ?? WHERE S THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT...

Sieg fails. ..

ORIGINATOR

I dunno if that's even a word....I'll find out soon I guess.....tingling....

:-D

OK...now the CONTRACT is OVER....ended and I HONOURED it to the end.... So I have to go to the bank to get MY 100k I tell them, HI, how are you today ? I'm here to take what's mine The 100k that has been created with MY signature You've got YOUR share, which is the INTEREST So please cut me a certified check for MY share. Or show me that instrument that says you've got the 100k from another PERSON to land it to me. :D Thank you and have a great day !!!

Are bringing in the 'New Original' Originating Fiduciary instrument with you? Am I even saying that right? Is that not what the "Application" is?

I bring with me my CONTRACT and myself :D

well, the application IS the contract. go get a copy of the application. i tried, they said they do it on the computer, i said it has to be printed and signed right? so let me review a copy of one... the bank denied me that opportunity.

And what did you do ?

Have you sent them a NOTICE ?

If you've SIGNED something, you have a CONTRACT, how in the world can you NOT have a copy of this CONTRACT ? :/

i left. i suppose i could write them, i do have an account, but i allready screwed them out of three grand so they probably have a few stars next to my name in the computer.

totally surprised i have an account with that bank out of spain and they didnt try liening it for repayment. yes i screwed them pete. YOU are not qualified to even remotely try to play the part of scott duncan ! ...

You SCREWED them ?....is it really the right word to use ? :D

If you have a contract with ANOTHER person, and they REFUSE to give a copy of it, you DON'T have a contract....

yah, and if you ask them to loan you a hundred grand, but before you consider using them as the party tell them you would like to review the application what will they say?

You need a copy, and you need to fulfill the TERMS....you need to HONOR this contract untill the end, and then, you need to go back and COLLECT what's yours....

If you try to fuck up the contract before it ends, you are a crook... :D

To Chad Brodgesell, There are SOME occasions where OTHER peoples real money is used in which case you really ARE borrowing from some one else though.: If this is the case, they HAVE a proof of that, and they NEED to show it to you....and if they show it to you, well it's ok......but their DUTY is to show it to you...period.

We call this a disbursement, they need to show you the ORIGINAL disbursement

Hey Scott Duncan, I really hope you will punch me in the face if I pull shit out of my ass please....seriously... Thanks

DISBURSEMENT. Literally, to take money out of a purse. Figuratively, to pay out money; to expend money; and sometimes it signifies to advance money. 2. A master of a ship makes disbursements, whether with his own money or that of the owner, when he defrays expenses for the ship. 3. An executor, guardian, trustee, or other accountant, is said to have made disbursements when he expended money on account of the estate which he holds. These, when properly made, are always allowed in the settlement of the accounts.

You want to see the ORIGINAL Disbursement....if they can't show it to you, they are cooked :D

They are admiting that this capital or principal belongs to you... :D IT'S YOUR'S :D

Fuck I'm getting good at this shit :D

There is 322 members in this group, if 10% gets it, and share this info with 2 of there friends, and so on, alla the guy with a dick in his mouth style, in three months, these banksters will be RREEAAAAALLYYYY pissed off, they will have to cut their yearly bonuses of at least 50%.... :D

ALL THIS FOR FREE :D

I WISH Derek Moran could come here and put his 2 cents... :D

My goal is, in a few months, be able to say: YOUR BELEIFS DO NOT EQUAL MY KNOWLEDGE. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D

Yes Pete Daoust I did mention that in some cases you are borrowing from other people please go back and read my posts.

And I said, it's ok if you can show me a disbursement proof :/

It's ok Chad Brodgesell, if I see this disbursement, it's ok....it's ok....you get it ?

Continue to be antagonistic. It has no affect and makes great reading material.

And learn to read posts completely as it leads to confusion at a later time. I say this from experience.

Anything else you would like me to lear Chad Brodgesell ?

Some productive discussion as to the mechanics, language and references as to the learning of the law be it by means of questions as to the content or answers even if cryptic to a common man such as myself so that I may become more knowledgeable in the field of law. Does that answer your question? Sorry for it being a really long ass sentence.

Chad Brodgesell, your grandma style does not equal my knowledge :-P

Hook, line and sinker. When you go fishing make sure your the one doing the fishing. You are becoming very predictable Pete Daoust. :)

Chad Brodgesell, what I have wrote up there is the truth, ask Scott Duncan :D

I will give a phone call tomorrow to Liz, and tell her to ORDER Scott Duncan to come back here and say it.... :D

Scott Duncan, where the fuck are you ????

Tara Duncan, would you please leave him 5 minutes ???

Again......predictable. I never said it wasn't. Please show me where I explicitly said it wasn't. All I have mentioned is the misuse of words. And I would gladly accept being corrected. I am not here to boost my ego but rather to learn These....."conversations"....with you are great! They force me to analyze what people say and make me look at my responses. Since being allowed to join this group I have increased all my abilities in communication. You....have been of great assistance in this. I thank you very much Pete Daoust.

Hey Chad Brodgesell, if we would be in the same room, LIVE, I would grab you by the hair, and shake the fuck out of you, just to shake you a bit, and hug you so fucking hard....... HAHAHAHA!!!!..... I know what you mean Chad, I know it so well.....I love you man !!!...you have no idea,,...

I am positive you could shake the fuck out of me, but only up to the point of 160k volts hits you. And no..... You hear me? No.... NO I AM NOT YOUR TEDDY BEAR! :)

Remember you can only grab me by my hair! If you looked at my profile you would notice that there not be to much to grab. Which is why it is short.

Fuck you, I could put on you 600 volts without you suspecting it :-D

And dont worry, when I grab, I grab :-D

You must be a lawyer. You a pervert. :)

I don't even have a high school diploma :(

To wander back on topic re the signature: From Bills of Exchange Act (it's a different number in the Act in UK, Australia, Canada & New Zealand), but it's in ALL of them that I have checked: Presumption of value and good faith: (1) Every party whose signature appears on a bill is prima facie deemed to have become a party thereto for value. So, if there's only one signature, then there's only one party there to for value.

I don't have my original application, that got spirited away, but I wrote a letter like this, attached to my bill: On or about 7 May 2004, I signed a valuable security, with face value �XXXXXX.00 and deposited same to you, creating a trust and or credit relationship, in which you impliedly or explicitly agreed to act as trustee and or deposit my creditor�s deposit/valuable security accordingly. At or around the time of me entrusting this valuable security to you, you opened a customer account, Account number YYYYYYYYYY. The security offered by the customer as collateral in relation to this account was the property known as (address of property). It is my understanding that, as of 1 September 2010, this customer account has since been settled and or discharged and or closed, thus ending any business relationship between you and the customer. However, at the end of this business relationship between you and the customer, the original valuable security has not been returned to me. Consequently, please find attached an invoice for �XXXXXX0.00, being the face value of the valuable security deposited to you on or about 7 May 2004. As per the instructions in the invoice, please deposit said amount into the nominated account by cheque or electronic funds transfer, within 30 days of the date of the invoice... As the saying goes: Send them a bill Send them a statement Send them a fault & default notice Get an ex parte order against them And the missing bit....Kaching!! I've sent the bill....and will let you know how the rest of the process goes :-)

Stuart Stone a question. If you are the only signatory to a document, can you revoke it at any time in the future? Since I figure that your signature is the only element giving the document force and effect.

I'm currently looking into that Chad Brodgesell, because with my application/credit agreement/Bill of Exchange, (and as far as I can tell, this holds true for most/all credit agreements) I signed a power of attorney for the lending institution, which is what enables them to create a promissory note using my signature & filling in the details (Bills of Exchange Act Inchoate instrument). This is the step in the process that enables the institution to act as a trustee on behalf of the credit provider (you act in this capacity when you sign the original application) & lend to you in the role as customer when you sign the loan agreement. Searching through my own mortgage agreements, every term such as grantor, lender, customer, trustee etc are all defined, but the one term mentioned but not defined, is the credit provider....and they sidestep answering that question.

I'm off out for a while now, but will answer this hopefully more completely when I get back ;-)

Well, unfortunatly Stuart Stone, you will have to FULFILL your part of the CONTRACT, and then collect what is your's :D

Thanks, I think they don't want to define the credit provider as that would be iron clad proof and agreement as to who really is the grantor.

Fuck Chad Brodgesell, you can be such of a grandma when you want.... :D

Chad Brodgesell, everything I have wrote there, I mean EVERYTHING, is the truth.........do you get it ?????

Baits rotting, you need to change it.

Well, I did what I could do......sorry Chad Brodgesell you don't get it :(

You seem to be under the impression that I do not, 'get it'.

You seems to be the impression that I don't see that you are a fucking grand ma.. ????

Pete Daoust, let me make this perfectly clear to you...or any one else for that matter. I DO NOT GET most of what you post. I am still trying to decipher posts you and others have made MONTHS ago, Call me stupid, call me a grandmother, call me dumb or ignorant. Have at it.

Look at me in the eye Chad Brodgesell, you have the picture to do so, DO YOU THINK I'M JOKING ????

Ok Chad Brodgesell, Adam Thomas, Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma, Scott Duncan, Chris Schulte, Derek Moran, Stuart Stone, help me here please.....

Oh oh...look out.... :-)

Whaddup my homie..??

See, this is what I mean. JOKING? About what? How can I look you in the eye when your telling me to look at a picture? Do you ever say the entirety of what you are trying to say in one or two posts? This is what I think happens when you go to court. After the judge asks some questions and you ask some questions and he tells you things and you tell him things the judge turns to you and the crown counsel and dismisses the case as he doesn't't want to have to deal with it anymore.

Pete, ye forgot Derek Hill.....nuh ye don't want him to back ye coz he's a limp wristed...thing....thing...

Always ASK QUESTIONS. Except Derek H cant or james Allan can't either as theyre NOT QUALIFIED TO BE ASKING.......HARHARHARHARHAR....

Fuck him...he is a puppy, he his a fucking idiot :D

Hahahahaha. ..larf larf lol... lol..lol...thanks Pete. You're a fucking CHAMP.

Feel thy LOVE THY BROTHERS & SISTERS..... F R E E D O M = A- BUCK-O-FIVE. ?????????????????????????????????????R E M E D T= BoE.

I'm so glad ye get it now Pete Daoust. ...im floating I'm so high....woohoo..

R E M E D Y...Sieg fails :-(

I love you Adam Thomas, not realy, But I lve you anyway :D

Agreed Pierre.....If we have agreed to the terms of the contract, then if we breach it, we deserve the consequences....however if the credit provider forgives the debt, then the customer only needs to pay the administration fees etc to the trustee for them providing their services of converting the signature into money of account

DISBURSEMENT. Literally, to take money out of a purse. Figuratively, to pay out money; to expend money; and sometimes it signifies to advance money. 2. A master of a ship makes disbursements, whether with his own money or that of the owner, when he defrays expenses for the ship. 3. An executor, guardian, trustee, or other accountant, is said to have made disbursements when he expended money on account of the estate which he holds. These, when properly made, are always allowed in the settlement of the accounts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpDQJnI4OhU

Ooooh, it all seems to tie back in with this one ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJBblYulqFc&feature=c4-overview&list=UU22Lf2HE7e0w4JyYwPWFgoA

Here you are Stuart Stone...watch this PLEASE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hop1tb-DR_k

Focus on the baseman Stuart Stone :D

keep focusing on the baseman Stuart Stone, baseman knows EVERETHING :D

watch this one stuart....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0kCmzweTU

what about this shit :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFVlJAi3Cso

If some one can get this, he can get everything HAHAHAHAHA

I'm not sure if there are meant to be some cryptic references re the bass players here Pete Daoust, but the last two clips especially are just 2 examples of awesome tunes... Blake Gardner may be a better person to talk musical references with cos if I'm not mistaken, this is him on guitar :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcJAPnCCnKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4b73fqglo

Seriously Stuart......what do you think about that : ????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEx5BqVu9Ug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d8SNwEBrs8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d8SNwEBrs8

what about this one :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCgCmB0QsL4

ok...here is the real thing :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=3nJmOzt27oM&NR=1

Blake Gardner, you sneaky kunt.....I never knew...jaw drop....fiona Horne always gave me a HORN....DEF-FX...I NEVER....FUCK....I LOVED THEM DUDES....I SEEN THEM LIVE WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED OUT DOWN IN BRUNSWICK STREET MELBOURNE....& here we are........WOOHOO...

Thanks for that Pete Daoust. Two thumbs up champ..

Soooo...blakey Bloke.....did ye you know....thrust thrust. ..throw thy leg over fiona?? Or did ye do the other?? What's the other?? Kick her in the groin?? :-D

Bono vox, is the world's biggest DOU�H�... ASK TREY PARKER & MATT STONE. THOSE BOYS KNOW A LOT O TRUTH !!

Thanks Pete Daoust for the magical musical mystery tour :D & Adam Thomas for the gold nugget that is the 'stamp duty paid' stamp :D Sensational stuff!

Any time bro...any time. Two thumbs up champ. Now sic em Rex. ..

Hard-on-o meter is VIAGRA ON STEROIDS now Stuart Stone.

Release the hounds....THE DOGS OF WAR.......

" Tara Duncan, would you please leave him 5 minutes ???" Leave him in 5 minutes, or for 5 minutes? If you're renovating, repairing property, creating and maintaining networks...5 minutes is a luxury. It's funny how we only miss things when they're not there. Hang in there Pierre...he can't be occupied forever.

Yeh where is Pete Daoust?? Maybe he's making A-BUCK-0-FIVE. ...LOL..LOL..LOL....HAR HAR HARRRR...

Pierre is in a prcess of loosing his mind....and it gets him very BUSY doing it....

Hahahaha...breathe in & out through your nose for a min pete....it works....

Buck-0...

Hawaii Five-0...

Nuh...negative they put waaaayy too much value on themselves....

Five bucks....meh...pffftttt..

All pigs are now worth A-BUCK - O - FIVE. ..CHEAP :-D

They always have been....cheap....pigs.....buck-0-five-0... .

Or ELEVENTY BILLION & FIVE Cents..