And of course be here if but to watch and learn.

ChiefRock Sino General, you say: i was getting frustrated with these companies: What compamies exactly ?

who said i said that ?

You :/

i said you were getting frustrated ? i have no idea, i forget if i did

I copied and paste what YOU'VE said, and I'm asking YOU what companies got YOU frustrated

I even did the PUNCTUATION correctly :/

i have no idea, what does it matter ?

Oh no....no matter, it would just be fun to know who are these companies who have the guts to send remittance vouchers and NOT gives you ALL payment methods available to you. But no big deal....Thanks Sir.

ChiefRock...is what you're talking about considered an 'Electronic Funds Transfer?'

Its a chq. You sign it and they withdraw from your account the funds, which by their conduct creates the binding agreement

HOLDER IN DUE COURSE = 72 HOURS, 3 DAYS. SETTLED & CLOSED. BEAUTIFUL !! AWESOME !! V I C T O R Y !!

Does this create a double bind on their part, meaning: If they accept the cheque, they accept it on the condition that the account balance is returned to zero... If they don't accept the cheque/bill of exchange, they are in dishonour and/or the alleged debt is discharged anyway?

Stuart Stone, is 100% correct about DISHONOUR.. SETTLED & CLOSED.. B I N G O !! KACHING

Stuart you are right on, this is why they always accept the chq, its a screwed if i do, screwed if i dont. :D

dont you love contract law and its simplicity when you keep it simple.

Sorry.... what did ye say ChiefRock Sino General?? Im too busy fapping it over the fucking AWESOMENESS of your post...nothing to see here....carry on..fap...fap..fap..

OK�.I am trying something with Hydro-Quebec, I have started this only because after reading stuff, it made sense to me to do it. I Stopped paying for these REMITTANCE VOUCHERS I receive from HQ 10 months ago. In last December, they�ve sent me a threatening NOTICE saying that they will disconnect my line if I don�t pay them. So, I decided that I was going to send them something�the amount I�m supposly OWING to them was, at that time $1300.00. So, here is, The English version of what I�ve sent them in French Hydro-Quebec Services de Recouvrement CP 176 Succ D�Youville Montreal (Quebec) H2P 2V4 Objet : Num�ro de Client 103XXXXXX Num�ro de Compte : 2990XXXXXXXX ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Dear Mister / Madame, This lette ris to respond to your letter on dec. 2013 sent to me. According to you, I have a total amount to pay of $1295.04 which is past due, and, as your notice stated, there is DANGER that you will cut the electricity if this amount is not paid. My intentions are to pay ALL debts that has been contracted by me and/or my Person, so, if indeed I have a debt with you, I want to pay. However, at this moment, I don�t have $1295.04 in Bank Notes, and I have to admit that I have no idea on when I will have this amount in fiduciary money, so, because of the fact that electricity is a necessary need for me and my family, , Well I am SCARED�your notice scares me big time. So, I am asking you, if OTHER method of payment and/or remittance might exist, other than fiduciary money to settle this matter, or maybe an EXCHANGE service could do ?. I am ready to consider any other payment and/or remittance method, but, as far as fiduciary money, I don�t have access to it for the moment. If you need someone to cut your grass, and/or, wash your window, I will gladly accept this duty to stay in honor, if of course, I really owe you. Thanks in advance for your prompt reply Avec Respect, Honneur, Dignit� et Int�grit� ________________________________ Pierre Daoust So far, this first letter had for effect that they removed me from the collection department, but they still sending these remittance vouchers, I�m at $2700.00 as we speak with them, they never answered my letter, I just re-sended it 3 days ago, and insist for an answer�. :D (Please keep in mind that I have not seen anyone experimenting this shit before...)

Send the instrument to the SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE TREASURY Pete Daoust. Let them bark for their supper the double dipping thieving muthafuckas. Its already been paid.

YOU are a very smart kunt Pete Daoust, I really do give you VALUE....SINcerely...for a frog :-)

Send them along with it a copy of your BC.

Holder in due course remember Peter. 72 hours. Anything OVER IS AGGREEMENT & SETTLEMENT & CLOSURE.

3 DAYS.

NO LONGER.

Q; How can ye pay a DEBT with a DEBT??

:D

IS there an OBLIGATION on their part to give FULL DISCLOSURE on every payment and/or remittance method available ? :D

ah HA! remittance voucher! i recieved a paper from the town tax collector. it says COPY and please send 'remittance' to. the tax is 'excise' which is a commercial use of the public roads which i dont do, i told them i dont but there is a trick on the registry paperwork for the place of 'principally garaged'. i allredy tried to have that removed from the record as a mistake (which ofcourse they wont do), so now i have to fight them on this alleged tax. (suppose i ought to photocopy the document to show it to you). I'm thinking to say upon proof of claim that I do infact commercially use the public roads... what say you?

How to pay a debt with a debt? Why by agreement.... If they accept

But how when its INDEBETEDNESS = SLAVERY.

OK�.so I receive this AVIS DE PAIEMENT or PAYMENT NOTICE or REMITTANCE VOUCHER from the SAAQ (Soci�t� de l�assurance Automobile du Quebec) for a Licence plate. I look at it, I think about what I see�.the first thing I see is this freaking number 96 on it, and I, right away think, Robert Menard :D WITH THIS a4v THING And then I see AVIS DE PAIEMENT, which mean PAYMENT NOTICE�..and ho fuck, my brain start the spinning thing.. :/ They are NOTIFYING me about a payment ???...what fucking payment ???...did a payment was made about this.??...who made it ??...why are they NOTIFYING me about it ???.. And why they put this small rectangular case ??...should I put a number in that case ??... WHAT THE FUCK SHOULD I DO WITH THIS FUCKING THING ?????

Maybe write 'Approved' across it & send it back :D

"Fucking READ THE BOOKS , PDF AND ASK QUESTIONS.......dont be lazy and forgive me, if those of you who have read the damn books." What"s the title of the PDF?

Wow Pete. The letter about cutting grass and what not amazing. .... that's how you administrate ..... did you ever have to exchange your labour? Are they still sending vouchers? What is the amount on the voucher now?

did you ever have to exchange your labour?: NO Are they still sending vouchers?: YES, but in form of NOTICE, or SERVICE INTERRUPTION NOTICE. What is the amount on the voucher now?: $7060,43 :D When I receive a new Notice, I administrate it, and when I receive threats of sevice interruption, I send a NOTICE saying, Hey, I took care of that, so I don't UNDERSTAND why you are sending these threats....I give my cell number, and tell them to call me if there's any problem I might be not aware of... :D And it's like that for 23 months now.....a cycle type of thing...

So as long as you keep practicing good faith and staying in honor by asking questions it prevents then from acting

They are still operating from a fraudulent position. ... every month they are getting 2 yrs worth of remittances

Every two months...

The funniest thing is, I tell other folks about this, and some of them are telling me: Well, you have no proof that it works !! :D (after 23 months, for fuck sakes !!! :D ) No, I guess it is a little bit embarrassing for them to send me that proof, imagine what I could do with this ? So, for now, they keep saying, yes, you are FREE to do it, and we won't treat you as a SLAVE, for now.....but we won't prove you are right, because CHAOS and ZOMBIE shit will happen... :D What a fucking dilemma that might be, for them :-o Same shit with CRA, QRA, City of Montreal and others... :D

This shit is about Free Men, or SLAVERY :P

It's so weird..... cause the front line staff are convinced that this won't work..... to the point of arguing with you and threatening service termination. ....

I wonder what the folks think who handle your account ... .

I think they think that we gotta think some more about Mr. DAOUST... :)

'When I receive a new Notice, I administrate it'...What exactly do you mean by this Pete Daoust? I've received a couple of notices for 'overdue amount' and I write telling them that I am more than willing to assist them with the matter but that I require a bill as I can't help settle the alleged debt without a bill. I'm wondering if there is anything more or if it is just an ongoing game of tennis :/

There's always a voucher with their notice, with a new amount on it.....Stuart Stone....

Someone must be aware in that office..... Fuck we need some way to bust this wide open. .... I sent off my first administrated cell phone bill.... it's the only one I can afford to lose

How can I lose something that's mine ? :) The only answer I can come up with is, because I don't take care of it :D

And I took good care of telling them that "IT'S MINE", don't touch that :D

So like with Quebec hydro..... you told them.... I'm scared of you removing service please don't as it is mine? Sorry if I'm confused

No, you refer to the very first letter I've sent them...

here's a bit of information that you guys might find interesting: (sorry if its already been shared) http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-21/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-21.html

Fuck, what's that ?? ?

since the CPA is the group that created the rules for the remittance vouchers you receive with your hydro/phone bills, I thought we might learn something from the Act that relates to them

I never receive these remittance vouchers, it's PIERRE DAOUST who receives them, me, I only ADMINISTRATE the shit out of them :D

I don't make any PAYMENTS, I just don't BUY any of these public debts.....why should I make PAYMENTS on stuff I don't even BUY in the first place ? :/

After all, PIERRE DAOUST has a "surety", why the fuck should I even bother with this shit ? :/

Do you have a PERSON, Adrien ?

yes, but he isn't as good looking as me

It's a "it", not a he :P

So you have a PERSON, Adrien, do you you what date this person was created ?

allegedly...I can't prove it...but the date of the event resembles the day that I was said to have been born

How come you can't prove it ?

I wasn't able to count at that time....but records indicate it was a specific day many decades ago

Is it the same date as YOUR date of birth ?

Me, it's 16 days after MY birth....

The person, I happen to have, was RATIFIED 16 days AFTER my birth, and I can PROVE it... :P

my mom went in to an office and registered the event a few weeks afterwards...so it has two dates on it

So the person appeared in this world a few weeks after you were born.....do you have the exact date ?

Fun Fact: that same person will disappeared from this world, a few weeks after you'll die :D

So the next fucktard that tells me I AM that person, I smack his head with a chicken :P

Oppsss.....why a chicken ?....I have no idea :/

mmmm chicken. So, yes, I have that exact date

Anyways, I thought that might be a bit of information that you guys might find interesting. :D

Live dead or rubber chicken ?

Oh, Adrien Nicholson, I almost forgot.....WHO is "SURETY" for that person, you happen to have, that was created a few weeks after your birth, and will die a few weeks afetr your death ? :)

There are actually 3 dates on the Ontario BC....a date of birth, a registration date and and Issued date. Is ISSUED the same as RATIFIED Pete?

NO.

The REGISTRATION date is the date of the EVENT.

SFC Inc's date of birth was in Oct. 2004. That was the EVENT. it came with a REGISTRATION number. :)

Coca-Cola has one too !! :D

They all are LIVING persons :)

oops...this one has three dates....birthdate and registration date are the same...issue date for this particular certificate is 1998...and it looks like the director is RJ Danderfer...I wonder if he/she would like to be the surety...otherwise its also got a name like mine on it

Okay I'll rephrase the question Pete...nevermind. Then the Registration date is the date the PERSON was RATIFIED. So the PERSON I happen to have was RATIFIED 3 days AFTER my birth. The BC was ISSUED after this. Got it :D

For future parents, don't EVER sign for the person' creation, the same fucking date you deliver...that is STUPID :D

Wait until THREATS comes in :D

That shit needs a thread....wait.. :D

The DEEMED post on your wall could also use a thread Pete although I do recall a recent thread here about this definintion. Great NOTICE that Mackximus Minimus shared on yhour wall. I had a question about proper NOTICE and whether there are a certain number of times such NOTICE muct be run publicly?

Mackximus Minimus says 3 days...

<<Derek Moran: Now Scott told me on the phone once- "...put it in the Legal Notice section of the paper for THREE days in a row, and you've pretty much covered YOUR obligation" Derek Moran: Scott: "The purpose of making something part of the PUBLIC RECORD, is to create an EVENT, that there was a conveyance/conveying a FACT-IN-LAW (paraphrasing)" < same phone-call>>

Okay that is consistent Pete...well it's consistent with what I have researched previously about Commercial Liens anyway. Awesome find Mackximus Minimus :D

This is ALL Admiral Scott. I just put the pieces together. He made me use my head and think, but it was he who gave me everything to figure this out.

That I am sure of Mackximus. None of us knows more than the ADMIRAL and the ADMIRAL is always right!

Pete Daoust "Are they still sending vouchers?: YES, but in form of NOTICE, or SERVICE INTERRUPTION NOTICE. What is the amount on the voucher now?: $7060,43 When I receive a new Notice, I administrate it, and when I receive threats of sevice interruption, I send a NOTICE saying, Hey, I took care of that, so I don't UNDERSTAND why you are sending these threats....I give my cell number, and tell them to call me if there's any problem I might be not aware of... And it's like that for 23 months now.....a cycle type of thing..." Re: Bills of Exchange Act 84.(1)Subject to this Act, a bill must be duly presented for payment. 84.(1)Sous r�serve des autres dispositions de la pr�sente loi, il est obligatoire de pr�senter, en bonne et due forme, la lettre au paiement. Obligation If not presented (2)If a bill is not duly presented for pay- ment, the drawer and endorsers are discharged. (2)Le d�faut de pr�sentation en bonne et due forme lib�re le tireur et l�endosseur. Does this not cover your situation there? It looks like they are not presenting it....

Yes, but each bill that comes up, has a new portion of an unadministrated debt, you see......it's always a new number, so I complete the bill of exchange, and add a notice that this completed bill of exchange is to cover the new portion........

Have you had one yet where the account had been adjusted to indicate that it had indeed been presented to the Bank of Canada? That Act was an interesting read, I wonder why I've never read Acts before :/

No, but that's not .y problem, as their act clearly says... :-D

Yeah, I saw that, but I was curious all the same...

Seriously, my top concern about anything is that all of you guys will never have the opportunity to know Jean Leloup, that 's very sad, seriously :-(

That man is a pure gem... :-(

Johnny the WOLF... :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GGF24XM2Q