There's no remedy. That's why nobody really talks about it. When you involve the government with children, you effectively SELL them. Like it or not, here in reality, you made a semen donation, and that is all. Wait until the children are 16. Glad I could help.

seriously....no one?

Yup. Seriously. They (The Children) were registered. There is conflict. The fact that you chose a defective female to breed with, means there will be conflict. There is nothing you can do, because you LEGALLY "asked for it".

Well, its hard to stop her when she refused me to do anything. I was kept in the dark for most of his life. Wouldnt a notice of mistake with different content be sufficient. Clearly she has no idea what she has done. I know you said wait until the child is over 16, but then again whos to say brainwashing wouldnt take place. ITs a thought that would haunt me every night. If there is anything you can offer that is specific to this problem. Please share.

ps i didnt see your first comment, sorry bout that

The whole secret to the family court system is the same as every other court system its all contract make them prove the contracts or go away. It doesn't get any simpler than this. B <3�

maybe if you were the respondent. I made the application because i did not know what else to do to see my child thats all.

When I read this kind of stuff, I REALIZE how Lucky I am :/

You breed with defective/damaged women, and that's what happens. If your child becomes "brainwashed", then they probably don't have a functioning brain to begin with. This is also the result of breeding with a defective female. It goes back to the defective female. What exactly were you expecting?

I am in the same type of battle, haven't seen my son for almost 5 years!! BRAINWASHED by a brainless silicone injected whore!!

notice of mistake -> revoke any and all power of attorney from the courts -> ask them if they have title to your kids (they dont). the birth certificate is not title. you own those children, they own the NAME. stand on and enforce your god given rights, ESPECIALLY your kid's. know who you are.

yes people make mistakes. Yes i made a mistake getting her knocked up. While i appreciate for all that you done im still left with a whole in my heart that i cant be there when he grows up.

NOTICE OF MISTAKE can be countered by the mother.

notice of mistake entailing what exactly. Scott, the mother is completely clueless, besides i would even know what i would put in. This isnt exactly telling the government off so the content must be dramatically different.

Yes. That's what happens when you breed with a defective female.

ask the mother if she's a citizen, if she claims to be, then you have power of dead fictions. not sure if it'll work, but it sounds good? lol

Live with the mistake. Avoid defective females in the future.

There are other methods, my ex is a nurse, good bye nursing licence, via a lien!! She breached the contract we made, sorry chick!!

Thomas Aguon: He has no authority to "ask the woman". It's before the courts.

sounds good and if it works is VERY different things... I can live with the mistake, i just wouldnt be able to live with myself not being a part of my childs life to where its most important..

scott would that be ap[plicable prior to any appluication?

gotcha. ask her lawyer to ask her if shes a citizen on record? haha, jk, does she have a lawyer?

look step aside from the emotional part if you don't have control of the contract you have no control is it that simple to figure out your contract

You might have to. Don't be so liberal in the donation of your sperm. :P

yea she does, very vicious little bitch too.

all that false allegations accusations etc other bullshit

Why she is doing this ?

i told her that my son wont believe in santa claus and any of her religious bullshit

well there you go. she gave up her god given rights to a dead fiction who's allegiance is first and foremost to the COURTS. she is UNFIT to be a MOTHER/INFORMANT.

Was she believing in that stuff when you've fucked with hr ? :/

no she thinks im out to kill his imagination.

thomas i like your thinking, but i gotta expand on that a bit. and i need something core.

There is a maxim of that that says something like an heir is another self but a child (perhaps son) is part of the father. I maybe a bit unclear, however it is close to that if it helps at all.

there is also another maxim that children should spend maximum amount of time with their parents both equally.

K.I.S.S. = keep it simple, stupid. i wouldnt try to expand, just get the basic points in. notice of mistake for granting power of attorney to the courts, revoke that power from them, enforce your power OVER them, including the mother since she is not qualified to administrate her own affairs by having a lawyer represent her.

Hey Scott Duncan, sorry to disturb, but how in th world, ones end-up with a defective/damaged woman ?

Lawyers get paid, win, or lose.

i don't think you gave up poa to the courts by way of application. courts i don't think represents you. Yes i know thats why i want my case settled immediately, i gotta wait for this stupid ocl to finish their investigation. Like i have confidence ill win in the end and get what is equal, but hell that could be like another year or so.

Men don't think, Pierre. :D That's how they end up breeding with defective women.

This 'confidence you will win" that you have... exactly what are you basing this on?

I know that :D

best interest of the child. MOther already committed child abuse. i got 4 case laws supporting it. ITs just...the wait is the painful part.

Case law. Clubhouse rules... You REALLY haven't been paying attention, have you?

She ABUSE your child ? :/

if your children have birth certificates, you transferred poa to the government by way of trust. revoke that power and administrate their affairs yourself since the INFORMANT cant, evidenced by her having a lawyer represent her. if there is any time to show what kind of balls you have to your kids and their INFORMANT (not literally), the courts would be the best way to do it ;)

i would even start calling her an INFORMANT from now on since she is clearly no longer acting as the mother

no i have, for the time being, i dont have much of an alternative.. love to do that if i even had custody of my child.

He has no authority to. He is only ONE of the grantors. The Mother is the OTHER Grantor. Try again, Thomas. :D

IS there any way to remove the grantor or supersede her authority. I dont think she has any mental illnesses or psychological issues.

No. You cannot remove a grantor, as the GRANTOR'S role is COMPLETE.

I,m starting to think that there's no remedy :(

Look at the date of the birth registration. That's when the Grantor's role is done.

i have no documentation. I still havent seen the BC, because the mother refuses to show anything.

SINGLE parents can repel court, or parents who's children are taken from them, can get remedy. Fighting parents = Lawyers wet dream.

well...shit, im not exactly fighting.....like i just go in there state facts bring evidence, i dont bother arguing. Thats for retards arguing over stupid shit and have nothing to bring to the table. PS she works for her lawyer.

Derek Hill, you have an amazing ability to MISS MY FUCKING POINT. I don't care about the skank you fucked. I don't care about the slabs of simian meat that was congealed as a result. I'm telling you what a fucking GRANTOR is, as your asinine question about "removing a grantor" reveals that you have no idea what one is. It doesn't MATTER what the date is. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A FUCKING GRANTOR is.

amazing ability to MISS MY FUCKING POINT. That phrase tells me something... O.o

if youre not fighting, then be the first to propose a remedy.

i get it, you cant remove the grantor because its been completed on the birth. I have, several offers to settle, i have 2 places that is awaiting for her to respond so we can mediate this and avoid court. I made tireless attempts to settle this quickly and efficiently.

YEAH!!...maybe you dd something she did not appreciate Derek Hill, and maybe if you try to repare this something it will be easier for you....just saying :/

sorry, but im not having my son believe in stupid fairy tales like santa claus or have him believe in some stupid religion.

If what he is saying conflicts with the other party's position, he's fighting. Trust me when I say; Derek Hill is the WORST source of information for what Derek Hill is doing in his matter!

quickly and efficiently...mmhhh, I would not use these qualifications with weman...

I would use sensibility, compassion and love :D

i say joint she says sole, i can see your point that we may be fighting, but i am certainly trying to avoid it. I want whats best for hte child. and that is equally involving parents who love him that is all.

yea what pete said.

You try to get your ex to think lik male.....you would be bettr off if you would get this issue in WEMAN thinking, even if there is a bit of MANIPULATION in the file....but hey, I'm just a fucking token here... :D

If she did not caught you in bed with her best friend, or some shit like that, you still have chances on bringing all this on your side, if indeed you've made something really stupid......well, good luck !!! :D

Scott or Derrick. Have either of you heard of Restorative Justice? I am wondering whether or not it could be used instead of the courts.

Derek Hill I meant. sry

nah i been careful, yea its stressful for me but thats mainly because i missed so much time with my child. All i want is my child to have a meaningful bond with his father.

I've heard about this restorative justice thing on TV...

A crime had to be commited to restore anything

so wait if both of us are grantors then how the hell does she have more power over me?

I don't think she has power OVER you

so how the hell did she do the things she did and got away with it.

oh thats right, bullshit.

What did she do to you Derek Hill ? ....the way I see it, even tough I / WE have so little informations, she seems like to want to SCRATCH you of her life, and there must be ONE crazy reason for that, maybe two, but usualy, it's one.

doesnt help when she tried to sell the idea i wasnt the father. So i already have intent to that point. She had the intent to exclude me form the childs life. Not the best start.

What have you done to her that makes her act this way ?....this is the KEY, and it has NOTHING to do with LAW

Cara, Restorative Justice is for criminal matters. There must also be a conviction.

There is the possibility, Pete, that Derek did nothing in particular. She was more likely damaged prior to their meeting. Most men and woman are.

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/restorative-justice/index-eng.shtml

That is why I prefer a harem. They tend to manage themselves :D

OK Cara Small Atherton, but we HAVE NO IDEA, only Derek Hill knows the TRUTH about all this :)

Maybe he doesn't and that is why there is disagreement.

And Cara Small Atherton, you need to be a fucking retard to make babies with a woman that is ALL FUCKED UP like the one you describe.....seriously...NO ????

Scott is the child not being harmed?

Obey #1 wife and wear clothing I can access easily = happy marriage.

Any woman who thinks otherwise is "damaged goods". So it's much easier for me, you see...

No one can stop anyone (short of removing their life) from trying to teach lies.

We are getting NOWHERE with this stupid thread.....I fucking quit....bye.

If she disagrees, she's likely "Damaged Goods" and you should take steps to expel her.

I should make a "Relationship Advice" forum. :D

Yep...and you should name it: THE TENDER FOR INSANITY :-D

Whenever we consider another party, the risk of disease is what deters us in the end.

There is that ! I said to my self, I will try to study a bit the Jesus thing, so I googled a bit to get KNOWLEDGE on that shit, and here is what it says about Jesus... :/ http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg612/scaled.php?tn=0&server=612&filename=aitibl.jpg&xsize=480&ysize=480

In the Family Law Act of BC they changed custody to guardianship.

yeup

We need a laugh button.

I agree Aladdin Sane, and what about a PUNCH button, laike a boxing glove that would go right through the screen :D

You are in the land of make believe, that is, statutory court. You possess only the rights/privileges (and duties) conferred upon the class of person which you have agreed to enter into association with. And pursuant to such privileges and duties is near absolute judicial discretion predicated upon some vague and undefined term entitled "the child's best interest". Custody and access are statutorily promulgated terms defining privileges conferred upon a class of person by Her Majesty.

Kate of Gaia did a show about this, tying it into Trust Law. The male is the Beneficiary, the female the Trustee. Why? All the male had to do is make a 'Deposit,' he BENEFITED that way. On the other hand, the courts look at it, that the female CARRIED the baby, went into LABOUR for the baby, and DELIVERED the baby. Believe it or not, somehow Kate of Gaia tied this all into the POST OFFICE too, i just forget exactly how (it also included the, 'male box'). Regardless...the courts view the female/mother as the TRUSTEE, since, she did do all the CARRYING/DELIVERING/LABOUR, JOB as the Trustee, ie.WORK. As much as i know thats not what you wanna hear, Derek :/

Where is this audio or whatever

This was from back-in-the-fall...have no idea when or where the archive would be

Would be interesting isnt that keith thompson

Yes, this needs a lot of attention. It's fucking insane shit dealing with these kunts. I've heard waaaayy too many horror stories regarding family Law & the best interests of the CHILD......fuckin lawyers need to be Slaughtered enmasse. ..starting FUCKING NOW....

One thing I can say about split parenting, since its been 14 years since my kids' father "went away." I NEVER, EVER denied him access to those kids. I do not agree with the way he lives and didn't particularly want the kids to 'learn' any of his bad traits but WHO THE HELL AM I to decide? It is not my right to tell him what and how to teach those kids! I can only teach them to be smart and listen to themselves and they will decide on their own what's true or not. So Derek, you have no right to tell her that you don't want your son learning a religion or ANYTHING that she might feel is something she would like to pass on to this child. I think if you are going to DISRESPECT her, she will fight �only to prove to herself you are an asshole and that she's right. All of you fighting for access to a child, for shit's sake, try to be nice! That will get you much further. She IS still the mother, whether you like her or not and you have another 16ish years of dealing with her regardless.

Et voila !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... If I could choose a Mother, I would pick YOU Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma :D

Yah, I'm not much for fighting... :/

Liar !

My kids would likely grow up to see ME as a crazy bitch if I never allowed them to see their dad. He IS their father, period. They can decide for themselves. And, I've known many men who never got to see their kids for years and the kids all grow up RESENTING their mother for it in the end.

Here is a caricature of how I see it. Man: Oh what a beautiful chick Man: I want to fuck her Man: Hi my name is Idiot Woman: Hi Woman: He is cute Man: I want to make children to you Man: I will LOVE you forever Woman: OK Man: Yessss�I will fuck her Man: he gets her pregnet Woman: He is the man of my life Man: Fuck, How come she gets that big :/ Woman: I want house, white fence, dog, red fish Man: OK Man: How come she stay that HUGE :/ Man: Oh another beautiful chick Man: I will fuck her Woman: You FUCKED someone else Woman: I HATE you now and I will SHOW you Man: SHE IS A FUCKING CRAZY BITCH :D :D

Have you EVER witness this kind of story Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma ?

666...you're satan pete. Many valid points Beverly. I always ask Liberty, what she wants. Not her mother or ME. Get to the source & ask....Pete, you're caricature is sooo

Funny...lol...im asleep

My neighbor's x was constantly controlling when/where he could see his kids and was all about the child support payments. He stopped fighting with her and just complied, only to see the kids. They both moved in with him as soon as they turned 16. Just pretend you care about her one and only feeler...

Ha, take responsibility: you enjoyed the benefits at the time and now you must PAY �16ish years of "treatment". Accept it. STOP RESISTING! "Fair" is what you pay to ride the bus...

Hahahaha....very funny girl brain.....

Adam, its only a "sad but true" tale...

These stories are ALL A FUCKING PROGRAMME... THE JESUIT KUNTS ARE DOING THIS TO US VIA THEIR PROGRAMMING. H O L L Y W O O D !! M E D I A !! IT'S THE GREATEST MONEY SPINNER ON EARTH TO DESTROY COMPLETELY THE " F A M I L Y "..... No other thing alone can create ssoooooo much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It is shattering & soul destroying......there's only a few kunts on earth I'd wish it upon..

GERMAIN GREER IS THE BIGGEST KUNT OF ALL FAMILIES ON EARTH COURTESY OF THE HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILDS.

Get all women into the workforce especially mothers..... T A X....

Grass is greener programme.....etc...

Internet is great at destroying families

I BARELY saw ANY money from my daughter's dad. He has done NOTHING to respect my being a mother to his daughter. I NEVER kept him from her. My mom played that game. I was much too painful.

I raised twin daughters from 1 & half years old & we never heard from their mom. I wasn't even allowed to file for support of any kind. Then about 15 years later my son's mom ran out on us when he was 5 months old & he never met her. He will be 24 soon & has about 7 years in the Navy now. The twins are 38 now.

The sad part is, is that this post is laden with terms like "support". Wake up! Support has NOTHING to do with being a good parent. It's about being there for you friggin children! Caring for them, loving them, teaching them about this world that you have brought them into. If ANY of you think your kids' best interest is about the other parent paying "money" then let me ask this question to those of you who have had decent parents in thier lives, "what amount could I pay you to have never known your your mother or father or have memories of them in your life?" Think about it and then answer. Every day family court relagates loving dads and moms (usually dads) to nothing more than a vistor or "uncles" to their children under the statutory guise of the "child's best interest". Who, of the mother and father, usually makes more money? Wake up people! It's the best interest of profits under the guise of "best interst of the children" and you have taken the bait and adopted their unfounded bullshit hook, line and sinker. Dont you realize you've been brainwashed! Furthermore, the term "support" is completely foreign to the common law, which many of you claim is your law. So are the terms "custody " and "access". Sorry, but you cant suck and blow at the same time. You are either a living man of the common law or a person of statute.

And my all time personal favourite, which blows the whole "child support" theory out of the water as being nothing more than about government profit and totally irrelevant of the essential needs of a child is that for some reason, the "needs" of the child of a wealthy father demand far more money than that of the child of a father making minimum wage. Would one of you child support advocates please explain to me how the essential needs of the child of a doctor are greater than that of a father working at Walmart. It's bloody hilarious and so transparent as to what the true purpose of "child support" is.

It IS our contract. HE initiated, set the amount, then never fulfilled the terms. I HAVE the contract. I have a valid claim. It takes MONEY to buy food, clothing, shelter, etc. Those are the facts. It doesn't mean a father should or shouldn't be able to be a father. HE IS. I REBUT YOUR claim that I am either "a living man or a person of statute". I simply AM.

Are you sure your position and assertion of a contract isn't one of convenience to your wants as opposed to one which is legally binding? Was there full disclosure? Do you truly believe the other party would have ever agreed to fortfeit his human right not to held in servitude had he had known he was entering into such a contract? Are you sure money is needed for food , shelter and clothers? So its is a good thing money finally came alon

along else mankind would have become extinct.

You say "I simply AM" and "HE IS". Would you not agree that it is essential that we know what each word and term we use in our communications mean? I am sorry, but I have no idea what that means. What exactly do those terms mean mean?

Discussion's OVER :D

Here Pete Daoust it's above these!

OH YEAH...I thought it was funny and decide to put it here to detend the atmosphere :D

So.....which one was you?

I'm not INVOLVED in that shit :D

What it is only a bubble bath!!! Lol

My brain work like an electric popcorn maker....it's like nothing happens, and suddenly, everything pop at the same time :-D

That creates overflows....and it has to come out !

James Allan. NONE OF THAT IS ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS. In case you don't know how to read, I NEVER ASKED FOR ANY OF HIS RIGHTS TO BE REMOVED. As a mother MY CHILD'S rights are FIRST and need MORE protection from me than his. Yes it was a good thing that I also wasn't a useless tit and understood what it took to raise a child. HE has called family services twice and the police (on his own daughter). How's that for forfeiting a human right. I think you should speak only about what you KNOW.

Cara Small Atherton, no need to get defensive, I only asked you questions for the most part, did I not? Was it not you that communicated those terms to me? If you did not want it to be my business (or that of the groups) then why did you employ them in your commuciations? What specifically are your childrens' rights you claim to be protecting? Do you think than perhaps the rights of the child and that of parent may be related? But I do maintain my postion, which was not a questions, that money is not a necessity to maintain human life. In reference to yourself, you state, "I am" and rebut being a person of statute. Do you rely on statutory promulgated benefits/privileges such as child "support", "custody" and/or "access" to procure benefits/privileges in the matter? If you do, how could you reasonably rebut not being a person of statute? Just some food for thought. I wish all the best for you, your children, and their father.

I rely only on honour. I honour my self and those I come in contact with. I honour the contracts I make and enter knowingly intelligently and with full disclosure. Those who dishonour me I stand ALONE against.

Cara Small Atherton If you were never taught that you had a right not to be held in servitude or slavery, and in fact were intentionally led to believe quite to contrary, would you feel bound to honour the terms of a contract you had been coerced to enter into under fraudulent misrepresentation? Please stop and think about it for a moment, perhaps on a more global level. I AM NOT your adversary. You came to a site like this for a reason, did you not? Ignorance of the law is no excuse. However, in equity, fraud vitiates all. Take care and all the best.

A breach of trust by a mother and/or father is the most harmful to a child. Asking forgiveness can reestablish trust.

not informative at all. Sometimes you make a bad call.

now is there any way that the child can be returned to not be a slave or w/e

seriously outcast, shut the fuck up with those denegrading remarks. Those are helping no one. Maybe she was damaged, but id rather spend time with someone like her than a crazy stuck up bitch who looked good that degrades over time. Now, for the child. What can i do?

:D

He could've claimed it back within 41 days of bc being signed...

OH FUCK HELL NO. I DID NOT give him away, the mother ignored me and shut me out from his life. DO NOT ASSUME AGAIN

you should keep your mouth shut for things you have no idea on about

and i didnt sign any documents relating to my child as again like i said, ive been shut out for mostly everything

Derek.....i will take care of this

Please Derek Moran :D

against my clear consent. I told her from the beggining i did not want the child to be registered.

she ignored me and went behind my back

you didnt help you just copy and paste. You probably dont know anything just following Scott.

There is REMEDY... START READING BILLS OF EXCHANGE. ...FUUUCCKK... AMENDABLE INSTRUMENTS. ...KUNTS..

oh.....an order IS an instrument

Go back to court & USE THEIR SYSTEM AGAINST THEM KUNTS WITH THE "SOURCE DOCUMENT/ ORDER."

Its an INCHOATE INSTRUMENT. .....FUUUCCKK. ....

ill need the procedure

NON - AMENDABLE WILL NOT BE ON THE INSTRUMENT/ ORDER. WHY WONT THOSE TWO WORDS BE ON THE ORDER?? WHOS A SMART KUNT & WHO'S A DUMB KUNT ??

CMON some kunt answer me please....

you got the amend provision on hand?

Go back to the start of skewl Derek.

or i was jsut simply asking...

No. I got a few books that I've read. YOU GOOGLE IT..

you know...if you had it handy

if i do amend it what stops the other party from amending it again??the infitate loop

Just because the judge's signature is on the ORDER it still doesnt COMPLETE OR FINISH THE ORDER...YOU GUCKIN DO USING THE BoE ACT. R E A D I T DON'T BE A DUMB KUNT DEREK. YOUR ACT WAS 1908 OR 09. YOURE CANADIAN ARENT YOU DEREK ??

If the ORDER STATES NON AMENDABLE THIS MEANS YOU'RE FUCKED...

It wont say that because of USURY....

I N T E R E S T.....

..our latest BoE is from 1985 here in Canada

you need to calm the fuck down. sayikng stuff in caps wont make you sound more authoritative.

LOL.. :-D

Adam Thomas, breath ffs....air.... :-D

Bangin my fuckin head against a brick wall & chewing on the fuckin bricks....it could be worse....I could have a broken leg. .that would be real painful.. Oh..wait a min... I just did break my leg & yes ITS FUCKING PAINFUL...IM WAITING FOR AN AMBULANCE TO TAKE MY ASS TO HOSPITAL FOLKS...WE'LL CONTINUE ON OUR CONVERSATION A WEE BIT LATER OK....P A I N =10/10 PETHADINE, METHADONE, HEROIN...ANYTHING....JUST GIVE ME IT KUNTS.. N O W MUTHAFUCKAS...

I'm breathing pete. Im breathin...nearl passed out from NOT BREATHING..

Scott Duncan: Look at the date of the birth registration. That's when the Grantor's role is done.