Scott Duncan

May 25, 2013 6:03 AM
Commercial Liens.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 25, 2013 6:05 AM
that's not fair... to newbies


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Scott Duncan

May 25, 2013 6:05 AM
...or cornering them on the way home from their pointless jobs and beating the crap out of them. :D Seriously. These people mean you harm. Following "clubhouse rules" won't help, unless you are in the clubhouse.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 25, 2013 6:08 AM
yes, but without reading any of that, you don't know where they "stand"... and without that, you can't understand what they are doing... I'm just say'in, its only ridiculous when you are reading it. But also, you have said they've hidden shit "there and here" throughout these ridonculous statues...


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Scott Duncan

May 25, 2013 6:10 AM
Yes they do. They need plausible deniability. Those are there for THEIR benefit, not yours.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 25, 2013 6:16 AM
Ok, so in these levels of law, in the case of Dean Kory for instance, he's telling the justice he's the beneficiary for that name. I am wondering how he can take control of that scenario? Other than replying that he's only beneficiary to that name?


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David Johansen

May 25, 2013 6:17 AM
pawns were meant to be chewed up and spit on.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 25, 2013 6:22 AM
Oh, you mean they are as confused as "anyone" or us?


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 25, 2013 6:22 AM
being plausible?


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Adam Austin

May 25, 2013 7:28 AM
Courts are like casinos. Everything is rigged in favor of the house. If that doesn't work, they'll have their goons rough you up and toss you out, or into a cell. It's organized crime. The only way to deal with criminals is harsh punishment. Just sayin...


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 25, 2013 8:11 AM
Ok, the whole plausible deniability: Plausible deniability is a term coined by the CIA during the Kennedy administration to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect them from repercussions in the event that illegal or unpopular activities by the CIA became public knowledge. The term most often refers to the denial of blame in (formal or informal) chains of command, where senior figures assign responsibility to the lower ranks, and records of instructions given do not exist or are inaccessible, meaning independent confirmation of responsibility for the action is nearly impossible. In the case that illegal or otherwise disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any awareness of such act or any connection to the agents used to carry out such acts. The lack of evidence to the contrary ostensibly makes the denial plausible, that is, credible. The term typically implies forethought, such as intentionally setting up the conditions to plausibly avoid responsibility for one's (future) actions or knowledge. In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a "powerful player" or intelligence agency to avoid "blowback" by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party ostensibly unconnected with the major player. In political campaigns, plausible deniability enables candidates to stay "clean" and denounce third-party advertisements that use unethical approaches or potentially libellous innuendo. More generally, "plausible deniability" can also apply to any act that leaves little or no evidence of wrongdoing or abuse. Examples of this are the use of electric shock, waterboarding or pain-compliance holds as a means of torture or punishment, leaving few or no tangible signs that the abuse ever took place. Plausible deniability is also a legal concept. It refers to lack of evidence proving an allegation. Standards of proof vary in civil and criminal cases. In civil cases, the standard of proof is "preponderance of the evidence" whereas in a criminal matter, the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt." If an opponent lacks incontrovertible proof (evidence) of their allegation, one can "plausibly deny" the allegation even though it may be true.


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Dean Kory

May 25, 2013 1:46 PM
...i just realized that the laptop they took,they knew i was studying for my defence on,and my digital recorder i was also useing(with permission from the judge) at my first bail hearing,collecting evidence,They only seized it and are accusing me of an offence to hinder my ability to make full answer and defence...pretty clear whats happening here!


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Dean Kory

May 25, 2013 2:04 PM
unless an "un rulely mob" shows up at my court proceedings to show support...i'm afraid they will just railroad me!...I'm still gonna give it my best shot! lol!


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Blake Gardner

May 25, 2013 2:57 PM
Conditionally accept all they say and do upon presentation of the original charging or accusatory instrument for your inspection, then if they manage to find one - indorse the back with your "money, I mean signature" and ask them if there are any other pending matters or outstanding accounts in need of setoff before you leave...if not split...


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Derek Moran

May 25, 2013 7:38 PM
Blake...that sounds alot like a Benton Hall video i watched last year with Ben Lowrey - i forgot about that 'schpeel' ;)


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Derek Moran

May 25, 2013 7:56 PM
I do see where Scott's coming from. And he has told me to study Maxims-of-Law for they will carry more weight for us in court, if we have to be there. The problem is for instance, my favourite 1978 Supreme Court case Bank of Canada v. Bank of Montreal where Chief Justice Bora Laskin ruled essentially - "...you cant PAY a debt, because MONEY is GOLD, and a promissory/legal-tender-note is NOT itself MONEY its just a 'promise-to-pay', therefore...the debt is only liquidated once its been DISCHARGED..." HOWEVER....what Maxim-of-Law out there could even possibly begin to encompass any or all of that in detail enough for us to use in-lieu of that case? :/


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Derek Moran

May 25, 2013 8:10 PM
To answer your question Gail- unless Scott knows of a better publication, the most concise source for MAXIMS-of-LAW would be at the back of a Black's Law Dictionary 9th-edition. I think theres about 50 to 60 pages worth of them. I bought mine off amazon.ca for about $80...a rather cheap way to learn the principles-and-guidelines the LAW was intended to be BOUND to operate within


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Kelleran Holman

May 25, 2013 8:18 PM
you always seem to find the book deals Derek! ...they must see me coming, lol


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Gail Marie

May 25, 2013 8:23 PM
Thanks Derek!


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:47 PM
Derek Moran, would that be a good deal ? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Maxims-of-Law-by-Charles-A-Weisman-/350763045492?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item51ab1b5274


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Derek Moran

May 25, 2013 8:54 PM
PIERRE- dont EVER let Scott tell you that you have never provided useful CONTENT! ;)


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:56 PM
He never did :/


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:57 PM
Not that I remember anyway :D


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:57 PM
I have found this one as well, now, I don't know which one to choose


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:58 PM
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Alphabetical-List-of-Law-Maxims-With-Translations-and-Explanations-/380517364282?pt=US_Texbook_Education&hash=item58989a323a


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Gail Marie

May 25, 2013 8:58 PM
having a short memory can be beneficial Pete :P


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Anibal Jose Baez

May 25, 2013 8:59 PM
Very good question, Beverly. I had pondered about the same. To know about LLC's, Trust Law, Comercial Liens, you have to stick your nose in those Club Rules, right?


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:59 PM
selective memory


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 9:12 PM
I just bought that one :) http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Maxims-of-Law-by-Charles-A-Weisman-/350763045492?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item51ab1b5274


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Mo Chara Do Chara

May 25, 2013 9:43 PM
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/maxims.html


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Michael Webb

May 26, 2013 6:23 AM
http://archive.org/search.php?query=maxims%20of%20law


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Michael Webb

May 26, 2013 6:25 AM
I promise to pay nothing for any of the above! :P


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Blake Gardner

May 26, 2013 7:23 AM
Derek Moran - it is in deed derived from CIC, as I'm all for the simplest approach that has just enough color to fit in with the show yet acquire a consistent result.


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Derek Moran

May 26, 2013 6:04 PM
Blake... "CIC" ? :/


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 6:08 PM
Yes, seriously Blake! Buy a fucking Vowel! The whole idea here is to REMOVE ambiguity. Acronyms for TECHNOLOGY is fine, but for LAW it is just weasel words designed to sow confusion. Lose the acronyms.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 7:51 PM
If commercial liens are the answer, can we get the 101 on perfecting a commercial lien or will this be kept from us?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 7:56 PM
I like your question Harry Nosed Wombat, straight to the point with a little bit of challenging pissed off pushing :D , I really like that :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:02 PM
I have yet to see instructions on this topic from Dean, Rob, or Scott and quite a few others. They all point to commercial liens as being of paramount importance to achieve success, but, curiously, if not suspiciously, none of them have ever provided a word of guidance on the topic as far as I'm aware. Winston Shrout provides information and teaches Americans on the process. Still waiting patiently and getting more suspicious every day? I for one have requested info on this several times as I am sure many of you have. Hmmmm Curiouser and curiouser. Why the silence?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:07 PM
PAYPAL ME $50 and I will reveal everything you need to know about commercial liens :D :D, or find out yourself at www.ppsa.ca :P


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:12 PM
I've been looking for this info for years. I have invested considerable time to be lead to this as a solution again and again, only to be disappointed. I've paid money for memberships, paid with my life spending considerable time following these threads to continue to find a black-hole on the subject. Many are willing to "teach", but, when asked for help in the next step, several say we are too dumb to understand, don't want to get us in trouble etc. @ Pete: If you don't perfect the lien properly you could end up in jail for fraud. Many are in jail who followed ppsa.ca and have been charged with fraud.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:14 PM
OK 1). Invoice 2). Statment 3). Notice 4). Default 5). Lien the fucker :D :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:16 PM
Just got a reminder from Dean to renew my membership with more money. How much time and money do we need to spend?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:16 PM
LOL Thanks Pete! Even I know that. :)


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:16 PM
As much as you want :/


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Dean Kory

May 26, 2013 8:17 PM
More than the system has taken!


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:18 PM
Why the ongoing secrecy? Why the seemingly endless mystery?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:19 PM
What Secrecy Harry Nosed Wombat ? :/


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:20 PM
OK, I think I can say I am VERY safe from accusations that I have NOT properly explained commercial liens..


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:20 PM
...If PIERRE GETS IT!


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:20 PM
LOL


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:21 PM
fuck do I have fun now :D


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Dean Kory

May 26, 2013 8:21 PM
It's perpetual cognitive dissonance!


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:21 PM
what's that, a wrist watch ? :/


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:22 PM
Seriously. I try to dumb it down as far as I can. Pierre gets it, so I thought I had succeeded. :( NEW RULE! IF I EXPLAIN ANYTHING, PIERRE GETS IT, AND YOU DON'T... KILL YOURSELF! :D


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Derek Moran

May 26, 2013 8:22 PM
Better question, Harry; who and/or what EXACTLY would you like to place a commercial lien against?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:22 PM
How to (without getting charged for fraud or a frivolous lawsuit etc.) perfect a commercial lien. Somewhat straightforward on a home according to ppsa if you worked on the home, but, how does one put a lien on a home if you haven't provide labour directly improving that home? How do you lien a public servants bond?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:23 PM
BELL-CURVE !!!!!!!


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Derek Moran

May 26, 2013 8:24 PM
What level: federal, provincial, municipal?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:24 PM
If you have Scott, I apologize to you! it must of been a day when I took a few hours off. Link to Scotts thread anyone?


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:24 PM
If strangers are going to "charge" you, there is nothing you can do to stop it. Why would you be concerned about a "fraud charge", if there is no fraud? Who's the injured party?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:25 PM
or private, commercial, insurance...


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:25 PM
Harry Nosed Wombat, do you have an invoice to send to someone ?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:27 PM
I haven't seen your link yet so I will not comment more than to say in PPSA they speak only of the ability of contractors and mechanics to place liens for improving the value of a home or a car.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:27 PM
@ Pete: Yes


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:27 PM
Ok... Let me try again (...and I can't BELIEVE I'M TYPING THIS).. READ WHAT PIERRE JUST POSTED! Let's review: OK 1). Invoice 2). Statement 3). Notice 4). Default 5). Lien the fucker Where does he lose you?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:28 PM
OK....Have you sent the invoice ?


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:30 PM
DUDE! Don't charge for Legal information. That IS fraud.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:31 PM
Ah no...opppsss...not again, me doing fraud :(


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:31 PM
Yes. Ignored. As I've said above ppsa claims the process is for builders and mechanics that add real value and have not been paid. No info on how to lien a public servants bond.


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David Johansen

May 26, 2013 8:31 PM
that austrailian site for dean clifford is worthless. the correct data you seek is priceless and free.


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:32 PM
Like it or not, the law society DOES have copyhold on ALL things "legal". It's simply not your right to charge to give it out.


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Derek Moran

May 26, 2013 8:32 PM
I imagine Harry is hung-up on - 5). Lien the fucker; lien WHAT exactly of the fucker?...i presume his Performance/surety/Hazard-Bond?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:32 PM
I have a 156,000 lien to perfect. I will pay 3,000 once paid out (the house is now on the market for sale) to Scott if he can perfect the lien.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:32 PM
OK Scott Duncan, I won't do it again, promise :D


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:32 PM
...just like Open Source/FSF software :D


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 8:33 PM
Scott, if you do not want to use your PERSON for any commerce, "who" liens? Your holding corporation?


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:33 PM
You can do it if you want, but the law society WILL have a claim.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:33 PM
Harry Nosed Wombat, have you sent your invoice ?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:34 PM
Yes. I have inside information that it was never opened and thrown in the garbage.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:35 PM
I have SFC Inc at the STATMENT phase with CCA collection agencies for a $250 invoice :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:35 PM
Now I'm battling with the guys lawyer about other issues. Haven't raised this one yet because i don't want to put my foot in my mouth.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:35 PM
Harry Nosed Wombat, have you sent your invoice (for entertainment purpose only)


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:36 PM
Harry Nosed Wombat, have you sent your invoice (for entertainment purpose only)


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Derek Moran

May 26, 2013 8:37 PM
While liening case-files and warrants are intriguing to say the least; wise-man once told me it involves clicking the 'Accounts' box under the 'Collateral Classification' heading at the BOTTOM of this form: http://www.ppsa.ca/ppsacaV3//registration/index.jsp


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:39 PM
link: Your session has expired Return to the main page


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:43 PM
@ Derek I'll give you the same offer as I gave to Dean, Scott and others. $3,000.00 for a properly perfected lien once it is paid out - which would be quite soon. http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=12608037&PidKey=1693067150


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:46 PM
To discharge liens, cheques are made out to ROGUESUPPORT INC., In Trust.


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Derek Moran

May 26, 2013 8:51 PM
So Harry...the next lien i make on ppsa.ca will be my first one, which is why i am always ALL EARS on this subject since id like to introduce the City of Toronto possibly to this concept in the near future...which seems hard to do without from them a corporation-number since they dissolved their CORPORATION as a result of the City of Toronto Act, 2006 :/


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:53 PM
Scott Duncan You perfect the lien and I will pay ROGUESUPPORT. You can create the contract with me that obligates me to pay. I'm confident that you could likely make a contract with me that you will be satisfied that you will get your money.Feel free to put in a provision that every day that I don't pay you after securing the money, you are entitled to $10,000.00 more. I will pay you the very day I get it! The gauntlet is thrown as the crowd watches.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:53 PM
Let's make it an even $5,000.00 just to make it more interesting.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:55 PM
Do you have a sister Harry Nosed Wombat :D


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:55 PM
or a Mother :/


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Dean Kory

May 26, 2013 8:55 PM
You guys might wanna take this outside? just sayin!


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:55 PM
Ooops After I get paid as mentioned above.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:56 PM
outside of what Dean Kory ?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:56 PM
No sister, Mom recently died of cancer. :(


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 8:57 PM
Fuck, do you know hookers ? :(


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 8:58 PM
lol But seriously....this house is about to be sold and i'm about to get screwed out of 156,000.00


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:58 PM
You will never get paid. That's not what a Lien is for. A lien is always a CLAIM on an account that is Legal Estoppel.


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 8:59 PM
That CLAIM means you have first right of refusal for discharging of the debtor's accounts.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:01 PM
Scott Duncan So let's do a lien! Your the expert. I can give you the info and you work your "magic". I have signed invoices for services provided to the owners of this house.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:04 PM
Or let's do whatever needs to be done. The money offer remains. I don't care how, or, what method is used to secure what I am owed. I just want what is owed to me.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:07 PM
I for one can't afford to lose this money. It represents a year of work without pay. Soon I'll lose everything I have. This money was promised and expected. I am going bankrupt waiting. It may seem silly, but, I "banked" on this money coming in.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:11 PM
I'm about to loose my car which means I am about to lose my source of revenue. This of course will begin my downward spiral. This would all be somewhat bearable if it wasn't for the fact I have sole custody of a 9 year old who depends on me.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:13 PM
HELP PLEASE!!! NOT A REQUEST FOR CHARITY!!!!


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 9:16 PM
...and now you spend all this time and effort invested in the past. If you realize things aren't as you thought, what makes you think you can recover anything? You want something that doesn't even exist. You have paid NO attention to what I've said about money... or you are just stupid. Here in reality, you are investing time that you won't get back...for time you CAN'T get back.


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Scott Duncan

May 26, 2013 9:17 PM
I will tell you what I tell all the rest: YOU THINK WRONG, AND YOU VALUE THE WRONG THINGS!


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:22 PM
Money has no value (other than negative). I don't value it or respect it, but, (hold your hats as this might come as a shock to everyone) I do need it.


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Blake Gardner

May 26, 2013 9:25 PM
Derek Moran you mention Benton hall...son to Gordon hall...presumed you knew CIC (creditors in Commerce), Brandon Adams, jack smith ect... Scott Duncan - i guess one presumption deserves another...


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:28 PM
If you've sent the invoice, you've must have gave them a payment terms, if you had, you've must have sent a STATMENT with a PASS DUE mention on it, if you did that you must have sent a NOTICE, if this has been done, you must have sent them a default of payment, with all these proofs, it would be easy to LIEN that property and as soon as the sale is conclued, you must be the FIRST to get paid. :/ NO ? is it right Harry Nosed Wombat


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:39 PM
I need debt based currency until such time as I figure out how to transform the way I conduct business. Re: "now you spend all this time and effort invested in the past" " Here in reality, you are investing time that you won't get back...for time you CAN'T get back." Aren't most of us here to find remedies for wrongs done to us in the past? Even if the past means an hour ago. pardon the generalization, but, every post seems to be filled with the possibility that we can get remedy (for the past) if we follow sound advise. Yet all these threads seem to lead to such final comments as ....you're fucked and there is no remedy. You've been wasting your time looking for a remedy. Sign me, Exasperated!


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:42 PM
The most valuable remedy I've found so far in here is How to think, and when I focus on this, I suddenly feel the remedy, but don't trust me on this, I may also be a fucking bipolar dumbass french dude :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:44 PM
@ Pete Sent an invoice that was never opened and thrown in the trash. Haven't gone further. According to Scott's comment, if I understand Scott correctly, anyone who has any hope of putting a lien on a home to ensure they are paid what is contractually owed them "will never get paid. That's not what a Lien is for"


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:48 PM
Sent an invoice that was never opened and thrown in the trash: WHO CARES ?.... Haven't gone further: OK, someone owe you 156k and you haven't gone further ? :/


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:49 PM
I know it's crazy. I know that money is enslaving me. Yet, as mentioned, until I organize a different approach, it does put food on the table.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:49 PM
Is it me, or this sounds a bit crazy ?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:50 PM
Forget about EVERYTHING....lets start with the start :D


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:50 PM
Someone who you 156k for some works you've cdone for him....is that correct ?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:51 PM
I wanted advise from "Guru's" and "pundits". I can't afford to make a mistake and just shrug off a loss of 156K. If it was an issue of a defective toaster, i'd throw caution to the wind and do it myself and not care if I screwed up.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:51 PM
work i did for a couple. The wife has died and the man is going into a retirement home.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:52 PM
DO you have evidence and/or proofs that you ACTUALY did this work ?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:53 PM
Signed work orders, signed packing slips, signed contracts or something like that ?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:53 PM
Signed monthly invoices and a long long list of witnesses.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:54 PM
OK, have you sent a STATMENT to this PERSON registered mail ?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:54 PM
Signed by the now dead wife on behalf of them both.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:55 PM
OK, I guess the dead wife was living when she signed :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:55 PM
No. A letter sent by regular mail. As I said, not opened and thrown in the garbage.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:56 PM
lol


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:57 PM
Well, ok, now you have to send these signed monthly invoices, with a account statment, with a FINAL NOTICE....all that crap via registered mail....a few days after, you send, via registered mail, a DEFAULT


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:58 PM
and you put a lien on this house.....don't think NOTHING more,


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:58 PM
Just FOCUS on this and get to work


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 9:59 PM
I love this Pete...keep going. But, are you saying Scott is wrong and I can get "money"?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 9:59 PM
Don't listen to ANYBODY else, fuck the freedom movement on the planet....just do what YOU have to do.....


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:00 PM
I am NOT saying Scott is wrong....I'm saying do what the fuck you have to do, that's it


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:01 PM
THINK and DO


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:03 PM
If half of the service was provided to the wife, does her portion of the bill automatically go to her husband whom she signed for as well?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:03 PM
Fuck that, that is none of your business :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:05 PM
I don't want to be charged with fraud. Do I charge her estate? Does the bill go to him in full as he is the remaining survivor who benefited?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:06 PM
Just DO what you have to do.....do not anticipate or something like that, do the best you can while THINKING about the very thing you can DO. DON'T COMPLICATE STUFF !!!!!


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:06 PM
Harry, did you do work on their house? They are married so are both liable.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:06 PM
Fuck Harry Nosed Wombat, why it has to be so complicated ? :/


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:07 PM
One thing is for sure, she can't DECLARE bankrupcy as we speak :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:07 PM
I provided 24 hour home care to both her and him for one year while she was ill. Washed, cooked, cleaned etc.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:08 PM
If all of this does not work, you use PLAN "B" :D :D :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:08 PM
Did some minor repairs. Nothing extravagent


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:09 PM
156k for Washed, cooked, cleaned etc. ????, I hope this etc thing has some sex involved


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:09 PM
And they just never paid you? At all and you kept working for them?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:10 PM
Harry Nosed Wombat, I hope you are not lying to us and hiding some freaking stupid non-sense crazy stories :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:11 PM
This was the arrangement. To be settled upon her death. $24.50 per hour x 24 hours x 24 days per month


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:11 PM
There's a signed contract?


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:12 PM
Signed monthly invoices


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:12 PM
yes


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:13 PM
And how were you supposed to get paid? From the sale of the house?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:15 PM
OK !!, you're all set....go collect INVOICE-STATMENT-NOTICE-DEFAULT-LIEN go go go Harry Nosed Wombat


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:16 PM
That was not specifically arranged. When she died, I bill, they pay. Now I'm thinking of putting a lien on the house before it is sold and the money is funneled off shore or to his son's or daughter's account. I have heard from the insider that this is his plan. Just dropped the price of the house by 10K to ensure a swift sale.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:17 PM
@ Pete You mean go create...not go collect right? If you mean collect you lost me.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:17 PM
I think you should just lien it. You have all the proof right there.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:18 PM
Mechanics Lien? They don't need to send off a bunch of paperwork...


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:19 PM
Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma Just lien it? You mean after steps ABCDE, right?


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:19 PM
I think he should send a statment with all these signed invoices attached via registered mail, and then a FINAL NOTICE to get paid, and then a DEFAULT notice and then, LIEN the fucker :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:19 PM
I'm not a mechanic


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:20 PM
And I think he should STOP reading this freaking site and get to work :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:20 PM
Copies of invoices. Don't want to send originals. Do the invoices need to be certified as true copies?


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Stuart Stone

May 26, 2013 10:20 PM
Solely for entertainment purposes...ie: shits n giggles... As Pete has said...invoice, statement, notice, default...here's a twist that might make sense...swear out an affidavit to the facts as you know them (do a google search on affidavits, there are plenty online) eg: 1. Work was carried out from when to when 2. Client was invoiced on x number of occasions for $a $b & c$, bringing a sum total of $d 3. statement was sent on ?date 4. notice was sent on ?date 5. Default was sent on ?date (add your evidence/exhibits eg: contracts for work to be done, copies of invoices sent etc) Have it notarised & sent to the other party, using the notary's address for response within 10 days, point for point re the 'facts' in your affidavit...(an unrebutted affidavit stands as truth in Commerce)...failure to respond point for point will result in a default judgement in your favour (from the notary) Sell the judgement to a debt collection agency if you don't want to deal with it yourself... OR, Hire a sheriff/bailiff company (I don't know the correct term for Canada) to enforce the judgement & begin seizing property. Of course this is solely for educational purposes as this is still theoretical knowledge for me that I'm still learning so that I can become much better 'entertained'... Then take the proceeds & invest in some bitcoin ;-)


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:20 PM
Unless of course, he thinks that ALL of the freeman dumbass on the planet will fix all this for him :D


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:21 PM
Here he goes again....fuck that shit Harry Nosed Wombat....just do it


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:22 PM
Stuart Stone, it does not have to be that complicated.... :D


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:27 PM
I do this everyday, sending invoice to customers, and they have 30 days to pay, if they don't, I call them, and then I send them a statment, and then a FINAL NOTICE, and then I call them another time and tell them some shit....and at that point, I usualy receive a check....in 10 years, it happened twice that I had to go to the payment default and push the threats further.....but never had to register a PRIVILLEGE on anything so far (in french a lien is a privillege)


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:28 PM
It's NOT complicated and it's common sense thinking type of thing... :D


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May 26, 2013 10:28 PM
Agreed Pete Daoust...as I haven't actually completed this process yet myself, my biggest question is how do we get from the lien to getting cash to go & play with?


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:28 PM
Contractor's Lien A contractor's lien, often known as a mechanic's lien, or a construction lien, is a claim made by contractors or subcontractors who have performed work on a property who have not yet been paid.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:28 PM
And for 156k, oh fuck I would get to work :D


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Derek Moran

May 26, 2013 10:29 PM
Blake- ahhh...i only know of Benton Hall from that Ben Lowrey interview a friend emailed me a year ago and as a result of that his father, but ive never really checked-out Creditors-In-Commerce


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:30 PM
Stuart Stone, I guess you have to wait until they decide to sell that thing that you have a PRIVILLEGE on.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:32 PM
And when they go to the NOTARY to close the deal, well the NOTARY will automatically cut a check for you :D


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:33 PM
and then you exchange that thing for some fresh bitcoins :D


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:35 PM
OK, Scott Duncan, after this mysterious lien shit seems to be fixed, I think we are ready for some PRIVATE BANKING shit :D


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:37 PM
Unless someone need to fix the mysterious STRAWMAN thing :(


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:39 PM
Harry, find out in your area if you need to give notice because in some provinces/states you don't have to.


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Stuart Stone

May 26, 2013 10:39 PM
Waiting/ patience has never been a strong point for me...lien the fucker & sell the lien to a third party seems to be my preferred option...before the whole fiat currency thing collapses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUXjKk-Aq-A


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:40 PM
In some states, contractors and subcontractors must notify the property owner prior to filing a lien, but in other states such liens can be filed without any notification to the owner. Lien claimants who are contractors or subcontractors are protected under this legal doctrine because all their materials and labor are �buried� in the real estate, having become part of it.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:42 PM
Harry Nosed Wombat, it will take you the same amount of time to do a notice, that to find out if you need to give notice :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:43 PM
I'm in Ontario Canada.


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:43 PM
No, I think it would be the same in


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:43 PM
if an employer didn't pay you. You don't need to give notice.


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:44 PM
I'm self employed.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:44 PM
For how long you are thinking and discussing this thing Harry ? :D


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:44 PM
They were clients.


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Pete Daoust

May 26, 2013 10:45 PM
OK....I'm out for 2 cigarettes :D....good luck !!!


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:45 PM
STILL


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Harry Wombat

May 26, 2013 10:45 PM
OK Pete :) I'm out of here to get a whole pack of smokes!


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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

May 26, 2013 10:46 PM
Kill me now... :/


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Stuart Stone

May 26, 2013 10:46 PM
Good luck Harry Nosed Wombat, it's stupid o'clock here...I'm out, night all


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Harry Wombat

May 27, 2013 10:46 AM
Any links on the thread/post Scott is referring to here. I've been searching without luck: Scott Duncan OK, I think I can say I am VERY safe from accusations that I have NOT properly explained commercial liens..


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Pete Daoust

May 27, 2013 1:30 PM
Searching what ? :/


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Harry Wombat

May 27, 2013 5:07 PM
Where Scott has "properly explained commercial liens" as he stated above. I spent yet another evening studying PPSA and looking up terms/definitions :) Putting my STATEMENT together and looking to get any last minute pointers from Scott Duncan.


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Pete Daoust

May 27, 2013 5:09 PM
Good luck ! :D


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