Derek Moran

May 25, 2013 4:46 AM
Hi Kelleran: to ME, this is what i put as the first-line in ANY of the umpteen NOTICES ive ever sent; "Hi - how are you? Let me first just start-off by saying that i am writing this in good faith as i do not wish to create controversy as i wish to remain in peace-and-honour." Think section 3. of the Bills of Exchange Act, 1985: Thing done in good faith 3. A thing is deemed to be done in good faith, within the meaning of this Act, where it is in fact done honestly, whether it is done negligently or not. THING DONE IN GOOD FAITH ;)


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Shawn Folkes

May 25, 2013 5:36 AM
The "good faith" angle is a good one. The format and tone...notsomuch. ME, I would avoid ad hominem comments, snides, and otherwise rude comments, and stick to the facts. "Hi how are you"? This'm isntba letter to too your pen pal.or grand ma. Thisnis business, but your letter sounds too...."PERSONal". Cold, analytical, to the point, and seboid of "poetic devices"...cool quips and sarcasm dont do shit to help you, discredit your respect, and sends thr message that youre a shit disturber (which is fine, you just dont let them know to what extent in a LETTER)


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Derek Moran

May 25, 2013 5:42 AM
The whole point of "Hi - how are you?" i know, as lame as that sounds; is to NEGATE controversy from the get-go. They thrive on controversy, they LOVE controversy, they wanna be able to drag you in front of a court and be able to point at something in which YOU created the controversy to be there to begin with in the first place. Controversy is fucking OXYGEN to these people. To each his own, though.


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 11:47 AM
CONTROVERSY LEGAL DEFINITION: An actual dispute between individuals who seek judicial resolution of their grievances that have arisen from a conflict of their alleged legal rights. A controversy describes only civil litigation, which is intended to protect and enforce private rights. In contrast, the term case applies to both a civil action and a criminal prosecution, designed to enforce and safeguard the rights of the general public. The judicial power of a court to provide redress of wrongs exists only when issues arise in a given situation that can be categorized as a case or controversy.


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 11:49 AM
An actual dispute between individuals ??....so to have controversy, we need at least 2 parties ?


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Shawn Folkes

May 25, 2013 12:18 PM
Did THEY not INITIATE the controversy? Is this letter to not eliminate the controversy? They cant drag you in then say you initiated. Instigated once started...maybe. But then, that might make you...belligerent. So INFORMAL greetings Ill do without. Theres a time and place for "Hi, how are you". Who is YOU anyways? Id address all shit to THEM specifically as well, ad name names as was done. I would change the into to exclude any 'personal' sounding greetings...this is a legal document. "Hi how are you" when I read it it just sounds ...unprofessional. Uncouth. And too much like your kissing ass. Let them think youre "controversial" ...MORE for THEM to have to prove... At the worst..."Greetings" at the start with a "Respectfully" "sincerely" or even end with "With All rights reserved" after your sig. and what difference does that intro make if the body contains ad hominem comments and reeks of sarcasm and flippancy (as the OP started to slide towards at the end). that underlying sneers arent gonna be missed by whoever youre going to for your "remedy". "Magical super powers" and all the comments about badges and enforcement officers? Clearly this is a dissident and a trouble maker and will further alert them. And comments I would personally edit out. Lastly...there are times, I would suggest, to use " " and not just CAPS...there are significant differences between the two, and could be to your advantage. Any term or definition (esp one that may be in dispute) Id use parentheses, regarding identifying or mentioning various ENTITIES Id use caps...and some times capped words in parentheses...and italicization isnt available HERE but often good to know how to use, esp when referencing other data or literature. hope these suggestions help!


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 12:28 PM
Derek is a polite guy, and seems to be a civil type of guy as well, maybe he THINKS that these behaviours help, and he may be right. On my part, I careless....I just don't, when I DON'T like it, I'm not polite with it. I have a real hard time playing games, ask anyone who knows me well :D


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Shawn Folkes

May 25, 2013 12:33 PM
me too Pete. These fuckers mean to do me harm, so I aint gonna coddle them. To be polite when under attack...seems nescient. Thats why I initially said "cold and analytical" like Spock or Data wrote it. And not tipping my 'attitude' off to anyone, for I would remain NEUTRAL and IMPARTIAL in my NOTICES. Im not ASKING them for shit, but TELLING them how it is. They are underlings, and do not deserve by their very titles to be given any generosities. That means no nice fuzzy shit, and no unncessary stabs as well. Stick to the facts, fuck the buddy-buddy shit. They aint your buddy


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Kelleran Holman

May 25, 2013 12:39 PM
lol, ok so far, my sarcasm should be left off (that does make sense) when I revised it I was playing the phone call over and over in my head and his arrogant nature, and several swings back to what he can do because of his badge, and the fact that he went through my stuff while I wasn't home just pisses me off...but...you are right, I should stick to the facts...fact 1) magical super badges...not real...lol


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Shawn Folkes

May 25, 2013 12:50 PM
"magical super powers"...sounds fucking awesome and had me laughing...til I got cold and business like. Save that one for yuk yuks. Id suggest to say maybe "a piece of tin meant to intimidate me" or some"unknown item he attempted to attach some "authority' to (italics? remember, they can, like parentheses, convey sarcasm...without being directly "sarcastic". Im sure "you'll do just FINE". See?). And you got it! Man, as I was reading your OP...I could FEEL you were getting more and more pissed off, as Im sure recapping everything in your head got you to heat up as you write. This is like reverse writing block...and just like when that happens, you need to go fuck you wife watch the game or smoke a fat one...and come back at it again later. And write it as if it aint YOU but someone you wanna help good luck


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Kelleran Holman

May 25, 2013 12:57 PM
ha ha YES, that's exactly right!...which is why I thought I should bounce it off cooler and impartial heads...because as far as I'm concerned this fucker made it personal as soon as he realized I wasn't bowing to him right away...I asked how it applied to me...and it went south from there, and I was none to polite after that, so ya in his head I'm sure he thought "fuck this guy, I'll teach him a lesson"...


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Shawn Folkes

May 25, 2013 1:08 PM
yeah, and easy to get pissed when thy step foot on you property. You need friends like mine...who will loan you a rottie trained to attack anything with a uniform, badge or gun..let Cujo eat his ass! It aint easy, to not get personal, but...remember, the easiest way to WIN or LOSE an argument...is to inject EMOTION into the equation..make THEM get emotional while YOU get cold. Mushashi was the greatest warrior t have ever lived. Youre at war, so follow his rules: A WARRIOR never lets the outside shit affect him internally, nor does he allow whats going on internally (fear, anger, etc) EVER be reflected on the outside. Whether youre about to run, cry, or kill...the veneer remains the same. like an owl...you have no emotion, you see all and calculate all coldly, and with no warning you will swoop down and kill your prey, cuz...thats what you do.


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Kelleran Holman

May 25, 2013 1:12 PM
well put...editing...editing....it looks like the first draft was closer to being done than this one, lol


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Shawn Folkes

May 25, 2013 1:42 PM
editing IS critical. Id edit essays a dozen times sometimes in University...til I got it right. Idea? Attack in a clear organized well established format. Go back and write down every one of your points. you have five: 1)Provide the dually signed contract I or the man Known as xxx xxx has with the CORPORATION OF ESSEX, and, 2)Provide verified signed complaint by an injured and/or damaged human being, an affirmation, that they have in fact been injured and/or damaged, and, 3)Provide proof, and/or first hand knowledge that I, and/or the man known as xxx xxx have been given full disclosure to the terms of the relationship with, THE CORPORATION OF ESSEX, and have thus given consent to be governed by, THE CORPORATION OF ESSEX, and, 4)Ignore due process entirely, Roll the dice, and come and harm an otherwise peaceful man, with threats of trespass and seizure, with hopes that the magical super badge is in fact all powerful, and will offer immunity at the queens bench if need be, as I consider Wxx Mxxxs' actions a willful attack on my rights, and a human rights violation in general, I could not in good conscience waive my rights, to satisfy an office/corporation, that I have NO known relation with, regardless of the inconvenience it may cause me, or, 5)Send an apology letter. Each one of these...you state t the START as well as he FINISH of your document. Make a thesis TOUCHING o each of these. Then attack each one. Take 1)Provide the dually signed contract, for example. Thats your first BODY paragraph. Make a statement. "Provide the dually signed contract" is the statement. You follow this STATEMENT, with any and all relevant DEFINITIONS. Like "contract", "person". You could put here "Persons are of two classes only - natural persons and legal persons. A natural person is a human being, that has the capacity for rights or duties. A legal person is anything to which the law gives a legal or fictitious existence and personality, with capacity for rights and duties. The ONLY legal person known to our law is the CORPORATION - the BODY CORPORATE" as one of your definitions, then use the case study as an EXAMPLE, followed by your explanations of how all this is relevant. Example: Please provide the EVIDENCE you are relying on that I, or the MAN known as xxx xxxx, are in fact obligated to COMPLY with ANY codes or by-laws of THE CORPORATION OF ESSEX, as we are of the understanding that none exist.... this should be your LAST statement on this sub topic. But you continued on. Follow this format: Statement, Definition, Example, Explanation. Once you have your main points (yours are 5), those are your statements. Definitions clarify ANYTHING you say in your statement. Then give specific relevant examples, either directly related to the incident, or case law and precedences to support your statement. Conclude by EXPLAINING how the example is relevant to your initial STATEMENT. ANYTHING that you write that isnt a Statement (of fact) a Definition, a valid Example, or accurate or relevant EXPLANATION, I would eliminate


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Kelleran Holman

May 25, 2013 2:10 PM
nice, thank you, i've deleted most personal references that aren't necessary, I'll rearrange the format, I like that ...I am trying to rely as little as possible on the "clubhouse" rules, to defend my stance that they don't apply to me to begin with, if that makes sense...for example, they have presented an order, great,( I took the time to look into these by-laws, seems like it applies to someone other than me, please provide the evidence, contract, or the proof of consent...please leave me alone if none exist, have a nice day...signed all rights reserved) lol, the bracketed section seems almost sufficient! ha ha


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 2:31 PM
Don't forget to add that FUCKS THE PUPPY says to go fuck them self :-D


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Shawn Folkes

May 25, 2013 4:03 PM
yep! As an English major I would edit essays a dozen times or more sometimes. One thing ALWAYS did? Tried to use ONE word where theres a bunch. And eliminate anything repetitive. A fun exercise? Identify ALL your points. you have 5 (kinda sorta.Id clean those up to five succinct points. Youre making the points AS you explain. Use an orderly format.They are only really summarized at the end, and add in more 'points' that should have already been made. Dont bring in new points when you are concluding.. Til then its a lil disjointed in terms of "whats the purpose of this?". Make your purpose clear from the outset.. make each one a Statement, follow it with any and all relevant Definitions, provide specific Examples (either from the incident or case law) and finish by Explaining how all that relates to the initial statement. Its called S.(D).E.E. in writing fyi Example 1)Provide the dually signed contract I or the man Known as xxx xxx has with the CORPORATION OF ESSEX - STATEMENT I have read the cited by-laws, and all references are for "PERSONS". The definition section of the by-law and/or codes cited, does NOT properly identify "PERSON" as a man, woman, human being, nor does it even mention "NATURAL PERSON" for that matter! ANY use of the "person" past, present, or future, is PURELY, and ONLY, out of PRIVATE NECESSITY eg: PERSON. 1. The scope of "person" as set out in s.2 of the Criminal Code R.S.C. 1985, c. C-46 extends somewhat beyond the individual, covering additionally public bodies, corporations, societies and companies, but, groups having common characteristics such as race, religion, colour and ethnic origin ARE NOT included in the definition (R. v. Keegstra, [1990] 3 S.C.R. 697) "Persons are of two classes only - natural persons and legal persons. A natural person is a human being, that has the capacity for rights or duties. A legal person is anything to which the law gives a legal or fictitious existence and personality, with capacity for rights and duties. The ONLY legal person known to our law is the CORPORATION - the BODY CORPORATE" (Hague v. Cancer Relief & Research Institute, [1939] 4 D.L.?*blurry* (Man. K.B.)). -DEFINITIONS I LIVE in, and claim COMMON LAW jurisdiction, with ALL my inherent rights, I do NOT RESIDE in the CORPORATION OF ESSEX, nor am I a "PERSON" within the defintion of the "codes" or "by-laws" you have cited. Therefore I am unclear, and do NOT understand how I or the man known as xxx xxxx, have ANY obligation to the CORPORATION OF ESSEX and/or to it's agents/officers, as we are unaware of any SIGNED contracts that suggest we are. -Specific EXAMPLE how the DEFINITIONS relate to YOU and your STATEMENT I am unable to "COMPLY" with your "ORDER" at this time, as I do NOT understand how I as a MAN, with a COMMON LAW CLAIM OF RIGHT to ALL the property at the location known as 9577 Walker rd Mcgregor, have ANY obligation to, and/or contracts with the CORPORATION OF ESSEX. -EXPLANATION and you wrap up your first point with :"Please provide the EVIDENCE you are relying on that I, or the MAN known as xxx xxxx, are in fact obligated to COMPLY with ANY codes or by-laws of THE CORPORATION OF ESSEX, as we are of the understanding that none exist." Now on to your second main statement! Which MIGHT be: 2)Provide verified signed complaint by an injured and/or damaged human being, an affirmation, that they have in fact been injured and/or damaged And on you go! As I said...your five points need work...they either overlap, or dont really go anywhere. Like the trespassing stuff...clean all that up and drop t under #5...that should all be discussed in a formal manner AT ONCE in the same section of the body, and not all over the place. And stick to the facts, no story telling, no personal smart ass stuff....I KNOW, its FUN, but it doesnt HELP!! And hahahaha who can tell...I am NOT on my cell! Typos and shit? Minimal!! Love the laptop lol


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Gail Marie

May 25, 2013 8:37 PM
is there any benefit to separating the notices...so rather then one long one having what is it 3 notices, then your fee schedule...and maybe not try to prove to them you know...but just refer them to the appropriate definitions as they relate to your case?


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:40 PM
There is a take 3 Gail Blackman, https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/516921221677148/


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Kelleran Holman

May 25, 2013 8:40 PM
I wondered that, but the "take 3" is posted and shorter and minus all the nasty sarcasm re Derek Moran and Shawn Ofthefamily Folkes...lol thanks Pete Daoust


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Gail Marie

May 25, 2013 8:44 PM
oh im slow lol will check it out


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:46 PM
You are not slow Gail Blackman, you are a WOMAN...HAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAH!!!!!! :D


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Gail Marie

May 25, 2013 8:47 PM
FTP!


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Pete Daoust

May 25, 2013 8:47 PM
yes yes yes...I Know :(


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Shawn Folkes

May 25, 2013 11:52 PM
nasty? no. well earned? yes. tempting? definitely! needed though? nosomuch... Forgive me (lol) if Ive been blunt, I see you know my intentions are to HELP. I might also kick you in your face one day...if thats what I need to do to get you outta the way of that car or bullet heading at you


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Kelleran Holman

May 25, 2013 11:57 PM
lol, so check for a possible shooter after said kick in the face? ha ha


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Shawn Folkes

May 26, 2013 12:07 AM
no look for me to be parcouring my way up to take that fucker out, so stay down! Now if Im drop kicking that fucker Chuck Norris style and its a car, feel free to lay in some kicks!


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Shawn Folkes

May 26, 2013 12:08 AM
(Im LMAO cuz the fact of the matter is thats exactly how it would go down heh. Dean...he knows...)


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Dean Kory

May 26, 2013 12:10 AM
Seen it with my own 2 eyes!


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Kelleran Holman

May 26, 2013 12:20 AM
good guys to know!


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Kelleran Holman

May 26, 2013 12:21 AM
.....bad guys to piss off


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Shawn Folkes

May 26, 2013 12:23 AM
hahahaha Dean, if these guys knew some of the shit we have done together.... We could write a book. And only WE really KNOW this, just us two. So cool


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