" A Notary is a fucking JUDGE in the process known as "discussion", which is a common law process." ..hmmmmm, interesting

DISCUSSION: 1. The act of exchanging views on something; a debate. 2. Civil law. A creditor's act of exhausting all remedies against the principal debtor before proceeding with a lawsuit against the guarantor. See BENEFIT OF DISCUSSION. Black's 9th

BENEFIT OF DISCUSSION: Civil law. A guarantor's right to require a creditor to seek payment from the principal debtor before seeking payment from the guarantor. Also termed (in French law) benefice de discussion; (in Scots law) right of discussion. [Cases: Guaranty ~ 42(1),45,77(2).] "Benefit of Discussion. By common law a cautioner, bound simply as such, had right to insist that the creditor should discuss the prinCipal debtor, that is, exhaust his estate by diligence, before coming upon him for payment of the debt." William K. Morton & Dale A. Whitman, Manual of the Law of Scotland 299 (1896).

Rob Johnson is an expert on this topic....Rob?

..maybe if he's just got a particular video he could direct me too

Yes absolutely the Notary is the most powerful ally the Sui Juris have at their disposal, next in power ONLY to the Sheriff of the county. The Sheriff is the CEO of all of the courts in the county. And the Notary Public is an EXECUTIVE OFFICER of the HIGHEST courts. Not only that. A Notary Public is ranked by executive law ABOVE a justice of the supreme court. This males the notary public a JUDGE. in executive law the notary can perform all of the functions of all of the officers beneath them. The most common judgment for a Notary Public to enter is a DECLARATORY JUDGMENT, but YES, a Notary Public is a judge, a common law judge, and the notary public's realm IS that of NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENTS. Bills of exchange, drafts, checks, Notes, and other negotiable instruments. You see it is not exactly the NOTARY that is that powerful it is YOU that is this powerful. The Notary Public is just a neutral third party witnessing YOU acting HONORABLY and STATING THE TRUTH UNDER OATH. It is the TRUTH you ATTEST and UNDER OATH, that makes everything so powerful and lawful. YOU are the sovereign, you literally write your own law. Through these notices, these bills of exchange, you offer discussion to avoid conflict. The notary simply witnesses you offering discussion to avoid conflict. And that most honorable COMMON LAW process is your HIGHEST administrative remedy. Notice when you get a ticket you are in administrative court in front of an administrative judge. It is because not for what you did to get a ticket, but because you did not offer discussion to avoid conflict and are in dishonor. You show up to court already in default and dishonor having lost before you open your mouth. The notary public and discussion is how you avoid this. The confusion for notaries comes with the difference between CIVIL law and COMMON law. The COMMON LAW notary, it is true, may ONLY verify identity and witness oaths and attestations with respect to documents for use in CIVIL LAW. The CIVIL LAW notary which is ALL ATTORNEYS, on the flip of that can NOT handle documents for use in COMMON LAW. Now, the Notary Public, may most CERTAINLY handle and exercise quite a few powers and duties with respect to these DOCUMENTS FOR USE IN COMMON LAW, (not civil law). Since the Notary is authorized to HOLD FOR COLLECTION our BILLS OF EXCHANGE, they are of course empowered to carry out any function necessary to achieving that including making certified true copies and effecting service of them. THIS IS NOT PRACTICING LAW. This is the initiation and exercise on the party of the individual presenting the bill of exchange, in exercising a lawful right and making use of a lawful administrative remedy available at law. You MUST offer discussion like this in order to even arrive at a place where you can then enter a civil court in honor ready to initiate an action. The Notary public is how mature responsible adults attempt to avoid conflict. And yes being ranked above a justice of the supreme court they have these masterful powers you can make use of. IF you are honorable. You can completely secure both victory and a lawful judgment without even setting foot in a court room. NO ONE wins or loses any matter IN court, in fact if you get to court you have already lost, lost your time, energy, and even effort even having to defend. But we can minimize the loss by making certain if you ever go to court that YOU will be the only one there, and you will already have a default judgment. YOU define the battlefield using the Notary, YOU win the war. The document linked below shows the entire email string between my notary and I. It is what secured their cooperation and got them to work for me. I actually possess certified mail return receipts regarding my claim of right that show the protest notice went FROM my notary TO my sheriff. And the tracking numbers confirm it also. Through my notary I was able to perfect and CURE my claim of right served upon the sheriff the highest constitutional law enforcement officer in the county. I as of the moment it cured, can no longer be charged under ANY act without an element of harm to another. This email string shows the entire power of the notary clearly spelled out. I even clear up the whole permissive argument in advance. Because the word MAY is used in the wording of the notary laws the notary assumes it means they get to choose when they will perform, but they do not, the word MAY actually means MUST when the right of the public depends upon the performance of the duty, like with protest for non acceptance. I successfully got the notary to; 1. Open a file and hold my originals for collection 2. create certified true copies 3. effect service of bills of exchange 4. craft and effect service of Notice of Dishonor 5. craft and effect service of Notice of Protest for Non Acceptance This is the State of New York's Notary laws, a notary in NY is equal to notaries all over the country. I have also linked the document State by state notary laws so you can see the laws for different states and how similar they are. NY EXEC LAW SEC 138 �138. Powers of notaries public or other officers who are stockholders, directors, officers or employees of a corporation A notary public, justice of the supreme court, a judge, clerk, deputy clerk, or special deputy clerk of a court, an official examiner of title, or the mayor or recorder of a city, a justice of the peace, surrogate, special surrogate, special county judge, or commissioner of deeds, who is a stockholder, director, officer or employee of a corporation may take the acknowledgment or proof of any party to a written instrument executed to or by such corporation, or administer an oath to any other stockholder, director, officer, employee or agent of such corporation, and such notary public may protest for non-acceptance or non-payment, bills of exchange, drafts, checks, notes and other negotiable instruments owned or held for collection by such corporation; but none of the officers above named shall take the acknowledgment or proof of a written instrument by or to a corporation of which he is a stockholder, director, officer or employee, if such officer taking such acknowledgment or proof be a party executing such instrument, either individually or as representative of such corporation, nor shall a notary public protest any negotiable instruments owned or held for collection by such corporation, if such notary public be individually a party to such instrument, or have a financial interest in the subject of same. All such acknowledgments or proofs of deeds, mortgages or other written instruments, relating to real property heretofore taken before any of the officers aforesaid are confirmed. This act shall not affect any action or legal proceeding now pending. Complete Conversation With Notary https://www.facebook.com/groups/suijurislawtheselfgoverning/doc/201309413288778/ State by State Notary Laws https://www.facebook.com/groups/suijurislawtheselfgoverning/doc/254682861284766/

I can give you an audio link that covers an explanation of notary powers as well. These are absolutely the best of my audio links. I KNOW these audio shows cover info on notary powers ?07-18-2013 Recap Of Sui Juris Methodology and Individual Rights http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nwotruthradio/2013/07/19/recap-of-sui-juris-methodology-and-individual-rights ?07-24-2013 Rob Johnson-Sui Juris law CANCEL THE CABAL (Temporary LINK) Active until 09-24-2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0zTzS990Og ?03-16-2013 Clarification upon practical application of sui juris law methodology. Robert Johnson - Anthony Jacob Woolston http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nwotruthradio/2013/03/17/sui-juis-law-applications-clarified ?08-01-2012 Become Your Own Lawyer - Sui-Juris Law 101 Part 1 http://www.blogtalkradio.com/zone4d/2012/08/02/its-my-opinion--sui-juris-law-101 ?12-01-2012 Become Your Own Lawyer - Sui-Juris Law 101 Part 2 http://www.blogtalkradio.com/zone4d/2012/12/02/become-youre-own-lawyer

Don't we get our bills of exchange notarized am I correct on this thinking?

Whoa...thats ALOT OF INFO...thanks for that. ..and now i see why our Premier Mike Harris, allegedly, back in the 90's got RID of our common law-Sheriffs here in Ontario

..have you ever had the chance to talk to Karl Lentz or Bill Thornton, Rob Johnson?

<<A Notary is a fucking JUDGE in the process known as "discussion", which is a common law process.>> Hmmm. Well, let's consider first what a "judge" really is. A real judge in ONLY one who is elected by "the People." So a notary, is not a "judge." And almost none of those in the bench are not real judges. Secondly, it's ALL about SURETY and ACCOUNTING, and that would involve CONTRACT. The rest is all "busy work." I see it as WE, and our CONTRACT, ARE the court, and "judge." The CONTRACT is the LAW. The notary is just an authorized WITNESS. It is US that have the real authority, the real power. And thru CONTRACTS, we establish the LAW. I may be wrong , but that's how I see it . Please correct me if I'm wrong.

NOTARY = ELECTED BY THE PARTIES. ...carry on.

..as in- I the PARTY, ELECTED, to USE the Notary, that NOTARIZED my document?

Yes Derek. I can't dumb it down further.

HAHA!!!.....a Secretaire de Luxe.....

DUE DILIGENCE: 1. The diligence reasonably expected from, and ordinarily exercised by, a person who seeks to satisfy a legal requirement or to discharge an obligation. Also termed reasonable diligence; common diligence. 2. Corporations & securities. A prospective buyer's or broker's investigation and analysis of a target company, a piece of property, or a newly issued security. - A failure to exercise due diligence may sometimes result in liability, as when a broker recommends a security without first investigating it adequately. Black's 9th

I read if your paper is Notorized you can take it all the way to the Hague!

let the secretary do that for you.

OK, LAST FUCKING WARNING: "Attachment unavailable This attachment may have been removed or the person who shared it may not have permission to share it with you". I will ban the next fuckwit that posts one of these. Download the attachment, then upload it to the group. LAST WARNING.

Was it me that downloaded it or was it someone else because I'm not sure if I'm doing it right?

"Peculiar thing about this document...it was never NOTARIZED" - LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-LJ9qLbNJI Derek Moran: "Do you take Judicial Notice of the fact your Justice, that Lucy SIGNED the document nonetheless?" Scott Duncan: But Lucy has but to deny it's her signature then and that stands. Scott Duncan: That's why you get WITNESSES. Scott Duncan: NOTARIZED simply means it's witnessed for the public record. Derek Moran: THE TENDER FOR ROB FORD NATION!

Scott Duncan NOTARY = ELECTED BY THE PARTIES. ...carry on. Derek Moran ..as in- I the PARTY, ELECTED, to USE the Notary, that NOTARIZED my document? Scott Duncan Yes Derek. I can't dumb it down further.

Derek Moran, I hire you !!!!......I need one like you....seriously :/

Uhhh- im sure we'd make a great team Pierre, but..."need one" WHAT? :/

Secretary :/

*blinks*

Indeed a Notary is not JUST ANY judge with respect to negotiable instruments, which are inherently documents used in common law discussion, they are ranked ABOVE a justice of the supreme court, so the judgments they DO have the power to grant can never be over turned.

derek....i will pay double his offer for u

*blinks* : What does that mean ? :/

Derek Moran, My offer was 1 million a year :P

Chris Evan, you are in deep shit :P :D

There you go Derek. Pete tendered an offer

And Chris Evan doubled it :D

Nope.

Yes you did.... :P

Hey Rob- good to see you around again. A Notary wants to see ID, photo-ID, usually the Drivers Licence, and that is Government ID, before they will Notarize something for me. Do you have a take on seeing any problem with showing them the NAME, of a LEGAL PERSON, that i DID NOT create, off a Government-document, that i am purporting to be "ME?"

Thank you. I honestly forgot all about this group. A notary has no obligation to see ID. All they have to do is personally know the individual. What I suggest is that youfind a Notary you KNOW, in person, SOLELY to create an affidavit of identity. From that point forward ALL Notaries MUST accept that affidavit as valid lawful identification. This is the best way to get around that. That being said, like the socialist insecurity number, you always have the option to treat the ID the drivers license or non drivers ID, as a jacket you put on and take off at will. I myself carry no identification of any kind. BUT that doesnt mean you cannot. NO ONE carries ID because they WANT to they all either believe it is obliged by law, or worse, ignorant entities demand it making it impractical to exist without it, this does not create a valid contract for ID, it is done under protest and duress for having no other practical options. So the truth of the matter is that people who are compelled to use government ID for the purposes of commercial entitites, like the purchase of age restricted products etc, are not in contract, they are not engaging in an agreement of consent, but under protest and duress, and as such NO ONE is bound to obey the terms and conditions of those contracts being void ab initio.

If that document, you want to get notarized, is signed like this.... BY:_______________________ Sole Authorized Administrator for the NAME I see no p^roblem there.... :D

What document was that? Anyways, yes a notary is a judge official witness for 100% sure. If the notary held no power at all and all the documents had no legal effect at all, why would a notary society waste time, resources and public court resources to go after a notary who was actually doing his job. Went on TV News and went on CBC radio and followed around on Facebook and affidavits drawn up from facebook posts and researched court dates they could show up at to service court notices. All this time and effort because it absolutely means nothing. But lets waste time and effort on something that means nothing. See, its not what these douche bags say, its WHAT THEY DO PERIOD. Re: "Chief Rock Sino General" - Freeman guru-to-be? Postby GC_SDNPBC � Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:45 am Here is the text of the order granted by the Supreme Court of British Columbia in Vancouver, B.C. today: No. S-134883 Vancouver Registry IN THE SUPREME COURT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA BETWEEN: THE SOCIETY OF NOTARIES PUBLIC OF BRITISH COLUMBIA PETITIONER AND: SINO GENERAL also known as SINO CAMERON GENERAL also known as CHIEF ROCK also known as HAJISTAHENHWAY, NOTARY PUBLIC RESPONDENT ORDER MADE AFTER APPLICATION Before Honourable Mr. Justice Bowden Friday, The 29th day of November, 2013 ON THE APPLICATION of the petitioner, The Society of Notaries Public of British Columbia, coming on for hearing at The Law Courts, 800 Smithe Street, Vancouver, November. 29, 2013, and on hearing Brian J. Konst, appearing on behalf of the petitioner, and no one appearing on behalf of the respondent, Sino General also known as Sino Cameron General also known as Chief Rock also known as Hajistahenhway, Notary Public, herein; THIS COURT ORDERS that: 1. Sino General also known as Sino Cameron General also known as Chief Rock also known as Hajistahenhway, Notary Public, or Hajistahenhway-Notary Public (hereinafter altogether, "Sino General"), until such time as he becomes a member in good standing of the Society of Notaries Public of British Columbia, be prohibited and enjoined from holding himself out as a notary public and engaging in the practice of a Notary Public. 2. Sino General, until such time as he is appointed a commissioner for taking affidavits in the Province of British Columbia, be prohibited and enjoined from holding himself out as a commissioner for taking affidavits, and prohibited and enjoined from administering oaths and the taking of affidavits, declarations and affirmations concerning any matter in connection with which an oath, affidavit, affirmation, solemn �declaration or statutory declaration is permitted, authorized or required by law to be sworn, affirmed, declared or made. 3. Without limiting the generality of paragraphs 1 and 2, Sino General shall not do the following for or in expectation of a fee, gain or reward, direct or indirect: (a) draw, prepare, issue or revise a document that is intended, permitted or required to be registered, recorded or flied in a registry or other public office or that is a will or testamentary instrument, or (b) hold himself out as qualified to draw, prepare, issue or revise a document referred to in subparagraph (a) except: (i) if, by the provisions of a statute, the document in question is required or permitted to be drawn, prepared, issued or revised by that person or the class of persons or profession of which Sino General is a member, or (ii) if Sino General is an employee acting in the course of his employment, and his employer may lawfully do such act, or (c) draw instruments relating to property which are intended, permitted or required to be registered, recorded or flied in a registry or other public office, contracts, charter parties and other mercantile instruments; (d) attest or protest all commercial or other instruments brought before the member for attestation or public protestation; (e) administer oaths; and (f) draw instruments for the purposes of the Power of Attorney Act, British Columbia. 4. Sino General shall advise all of his clients, past and present, and members of the public with whom he comes into contact in relation to legal matters of any kind of his lack of status as a member with the Society of Notaries Public of British Columbia. 5. Sino General shall advise all of his clients, past and present, and members of the public with whom he comes into contact in relation to legal matters of any kind of his lack of status as a commissioner for taking affidavits. 6. Sino General shall notify the Society of Notaries Public of British Columbia of all matters in which he has purported to act as a Notary Public. 7. Sino General shall deliver up to the Society of Notaries Public any stamps, seals, stationery, or other materials in his possession or under his care and control which describe, depict, or otherwise suggest that Sino General is a Notary Public. 8. The approval of Sino General as to the form of this Order be dispensed with; and 9. The petitioner is awarded its costs of this application at Scale B. THE' FOLLOWING PARTIES APPROVE THE FORM OF THIS ORDER AND CONSENT TO EACH OF THE ORDERS, IF ANY, THAT ARE INDICATED ABOVE AS BEING BY CONSENT. B. J. K. Counsel for the Petitioner By The Court Registrar

THat was posted on Quatloos by Ron Usher who is a BIG FAN OF CHIEF ROCK. Here he is again speaking about how its all nonsensical. But again, lets waste time chasing down this notary over here lol....bahahaha shut up RON. http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2013/09/25/the-threat-of-freeman-on-canadian-land/

Here is a video, oh btw fast forward to 45secs so you dont have to listen to Brian yammer on.... http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/02/sovereign-citizen-movement-worrying-officials-as-30000-claim-they-freed-themselves-from-canadas-laws/#ooid=dwOXE0ZTrXMrOYHgv-kdT69Gmp2CqiRr

The documents are laughable but you know what, lets waste weeks and months of our time and resources to stop this chief guy who is hajistanhenhway...because none of it can do anything to us, its all magical lol, omg Ron why doesnt he just come out and say English is dialect for enchantments over the mind, Grammar and Spell-ing, Glamour...anyways here is the fool, who tries to make a good case for something lol...

ID's seems to identify the PERSON, not "ME", so what do I care....really...they want to get the person's identity ? .....ok, here it is....now, are you going to send a Bill of Exchange to that person ? ....the one that I have in my pocket ? ....The one that the government created 16 days after MY birth ?....the one that the government has FULL SURETY on ? Ok, no problem, and try to make that BoE as big as you can please, I hate small BoE, it makes me feel cheap :D The picture on that ID is ONLY to identify the Sole Authorized Administrator of that person you want to bill.....and nothing else. :P ID, no ID, ID, no ID.....what the fuck ? !!!...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153617820250024&saved

This RON USHER guy ROCKS :D

Lee...notary thread i mentioned

Yes The Notary Public as I detail in my book is a JUDGE a COMMON LAW JUDGE ranked ABOVE a justice of the supreme court. The Realm of the notary is NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENTS those that facilitate discussion a common law process. I explain the full realm of power and how to use it properly as I have done it myself. The Notary I used just a UPS store notary opened a file, held all my originals for collection, served them via certified mail return receipt and executed notice of protest for non acceptance. I now have what is known as a perfected and cured claim of right on file. I cannot be charged with ANY statutory infraction under ANY act without the existence of those elements that establish; standing, valid cause, corpus delicti, actual or justiciable controversy, and thus, jurisdiction. Those elements are, and there are 3, 1 ACTUAL damage or injury to person or property alleged under oath by a real party of interest. 2. ACTUAL violation of lawful rights alleged under oath by a real party of interest. 3. Redress ability of the court. The 3rd element here, CANNOT exist without 1 or both of the first two because jurisdiction actually means OATH TO SPEAK and OATH TO SPEAK is only conferred upon a court by transference. It is ONLY the oath of a complaining party sworn alleging harm that gives by transference this oath to a court. There is 1 other way a court gets jurisdiction, and this is how they get most people. It is through CONSENT given ignorantly when one claims in court to understand charges. Your right is to be informed of the cause and nature of the charges and proceedings against you but all they want to do is read the charge as if that informs you. If you claim to understand what you are doing is giving the court your consent to proceed. These matters are not even cases they are TRANSACTIONS OF SECURITY INTERESTS and they require YOUR CONSENT to proceed. Most people just have no idea what they are saying is what gives the court consent, and that your own ignorance in court is what will cause you to be harmed by the court which exists to SECURE YOUR RIGHTS

Rob Johnson, did I mention....THEY DON't FUCKING CARE

Well said Rob! "These matters are not even cases, they are TRANSACTIONS OF SECURITY INTERESTS" See �T5008 http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/bsnss/tpcs/slps/fnncl/t5008/menu-eng.html

What are securities? For the T5008 information return, securities mean: publicly traded shares of the capital stock of a corporation; publicly traded debt obligations; debt obligations of, or guaranteed by: the Government of Canada (such as Treasury bills); the government of a province or territory or its agents; a municipality in Canada; a municipal or public body performing a function of government in Canada; or the government of a foreign country or a political subdivision of a foreign country, including a local authority of such a government; publicly traded interests in a partnership or a trust; any option or contract for any of the properties listed above; publicly traded options or contracts for any property including any commodity; publicly traded options or contracts for financial futures, foreign currency, or precious metal; and publicly traded options or contracts for any index relating to any property.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack: She needs to CLAIM her PERSON since the sin # application allows OTHERS to "handle" your credit on your behalf. Then bring in some of those T5008 Statement of Securities Transactions to see WHOM is the RECIPIENT and WHOM is the trader or dealer in securities. Beverly Berta Braakschmack: CRA can figure it out if they like...

awesome info here, I am grateful that everyone is share your heart and knowledge with humanity, blessing to your beautiful soul, ~ again, Derek Moran, thanks for supporting my learning journey