You're not supposed to GO to court :/

I am out on bail, so... if I don't go they will deliver me there!

When you say you have "used the notice of mistake and the point of order", could you be precise in exactly how you "used" these? How did you noticed them?

I filed the notice with the crown and clerk, read it into the record in court. I have another chance next week as I have to go in again! As the notice of mistake goes, there was no response from the crown. This Judge has it in for me!! I have it in for him as well and he knows it!!

Did you filed the SURETY BOND (BC) into the case file?

Because if you have, PHILIP LAFORET is already in the custody of the court. If you followed all proper instructions of HOW to use the "NOTICE OF MISTAKE", and understand WHY is it that it can be used, you should know that boths issues of SURETY and ACCOUNTING, have been resolved. The PERSON they were looking for has APPEARED, and is now in CUSTODY of the Court, and any ACCOUNTING should be SETTLED by the SURETY BOND. Now, if you DON'T have filed the BC, how could you have "used" the "NOTICE OF MISTAKE"? The NOTICE OF MISTAKE is to give NOTICE that the REAL PHILIP LAFORET has now appeared, and is in the CUSTODY of the Court, and separate SURETY from the Living MAN. Since there is no PHILIP LAFORET in the file, (as your notice should had said), their presumptions still stand. It looks like you don't understand whats happening, and they know you have no clue to what it's going on. What should you do at this point? That would require some pulling some stuff out of my ass.

They would not accept it, as I tried to file it with the clerk down stairs and she said she would not be responsible. I can try again in the court room. One problem is the Judge is retiring at the end of June, so he doesn't care what happens. Perhaps it's my verbal delivery of the notice that needs some brushing up!

*Sigh* Submit it as an EXHIBIT in an AFFIDAVIT. They can't refuse your SWORN TESTIMONY!

Got ya!! Thanks! The reason i the BC was not put in at first was because I wan in the Klink and I had someone else file the notice and they would not take it in the file. So when I got out I tried to have it put in the file through the office? (not in the courtroom), they would not accept it. Now I understand to put in, in the courtroom! Scott some of us are slow learners, but willing students! Not exactly second nature, I'm a wiz bang at embalming though!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

OOOO! Let's grab lawyers and embalm them while they're still alive! :D ...I typed that in my "outside keyboard", didn't I? :/

You hold 'em down and I'll grab the formaldehyde!!

I want to have a chat with them first. :D

Yes be careful, they will come after you! Get rid of your letter box, it gives them jurisdiction to your property! Also remove any welcome mats or signs you may have because it is actually an invite and put up a notice on your front gate and front door, claiming private property and forbid government agents including the Police Company from any consent to enter! This will stop the police at the gate. Unless you have caused harm on person or property. Forgive me if your way past this point.

For court, request full disclosure on record, they will give you disclosure (partial) but they WILL NOT give you full disclosure, do this again on second session on record, the third session you inform the judge that this is you third request for full disclosure with no full disclosure given and ask the case be dismissed End Game.

I do not believe I have caused harm to any person or property, I promised to lien property, which is legal. They just do not appreciate being stood up to.

Thanks Ben, for the advice. They did give me disclosure in court, I believe it is in full, as I am aware of the evidence.

Brilliant, what are they failing to do to be at tort by you?

OH FUCK! Thread shit-stain! "For court, request full disclosure on record" - NO! NEVER ACCEPT OR REQUEST ANYTHING! NEVER! Ben House-Of Thompson - you are giving BAD INFORMATION AND IT'S TIME TO SHUT UP NOW!

Ben House-Of Thompson - you are giving BAD INFORMATION AND IT'S TIME TO SHUT UP NOW!

I have used this successfully many times

Holy fuck, it's like you guys LOOK for things to fuck yourselves up.

People get confused here, full disclosure is a seperate thing

I never requested anything, they just gave it to me.

Why would you not use full disclosure method?

Ben House-Of Thompson, you are either: Leaving out a peice of key information, or you are lying. Requesting disclosure is CEDING THE FUCKING JURISDICTION.

That right

...which is BAD ADVICE.

Ask for Full Disclosure and watch what happens, the judge will order prosecution give it to you! They will not tho,

Why is it bad advice?

There is NO LEGAL ADVICE PERMITTED HERE, GOOD OR BAD.

What is your legal reason?

Do you have one?

" For court, request full disclosure on record, they will give you disclosure (partial) but they WILL NOT give you full disclosure" - NO! THIS IS STUPID

Why?

These twats MEVER explain themselves, but insults come thick and fast

Answer please?

The ACT OF ASKING, CEDES THE JURISDICTION! "Disclosure" is THEIRS, not YOURS! If you are NOT part of THEIR jurisdiction, you do NOT want any of their shit!

Do you even know to ask for full disclosure???

Did you sit down with the crown and compile the disclosure the night before? Do you want a memento of the passionate gay sex you had with him to celebrate the creation of this wonderful "disclosure"? If yes? Stop sucking the crown's cock. It won't help you. If NO, the WHY DO YOU WANT THEIR SHIT?

I'm waiting to hear why something I have used many times, doesn't work and is stupid???

Long break :-) dude feverishly tries to look up on google, lol

Ben, remember that "shut the fuck up" thing we were discussing earlier? You have a LOT of shutting the fuck up to do. Best get started now.

My guess is Scott is the main advice giver here?

Oh...and he tries to imply I don't know what I'm saying... Well you will feel a slight tingling sensation, followed by... BANNED!

" I'm waiting to hear why something I have used many times, doesn't work and is stupid" - Even though your ass is banned, I'll still answer. You are lying. Period. It REALLY IS that simple. You are attempting to con people into JOINDER by lying about your supposed "success".

Therefore, anyone listening to you would be stupid for doing so. I hope that clears it up.

This is why it's so hard to "infiltrate" my circle. I simply do not put up with bullshit information being spread. This is not a DEBATE centre. Want to debate? Submit a post to the Roguesupport Nx timeline, and we will happily show you just how stupid you are in the most public and humiliating way. HERE is not the place for your bullshit ideas.

...or agents trying to mislead.

Well that was quick!!

These Shit-stains sink in if you wait too long :D

That man had a LOT of Shutting The Fuck Up to do. He didn't even START! I Cannot abide such laziness. ;)

JUST A REMINDER, since someone left a shit-stain here: NOTHING FROM THE GOVERNMENT IS "FREE"! NEVER ASK FOR, AND/OR ACCEPT ANYTHING FROM THE GOVERNMENT! EVER! NEVER ASK FOR, AND/OR ACCEPT ANYTHING FROM THE CROWN! EVER! NEVER ASK FOR, AND/OR ACCEPT ANYTHING FROM THE COURT! EVER! If they GIVE you something, GIVE IT BACK (Attach a NOTICE OF MISTAKE to it too!), because the are offering you a COURTESY. COURTESIES ARE FOR COURTESANS! Since the role of the COURTESAN is to GET FUCKED, they are entitled to, and can accept COURTESIES. You don't want to be the one who gets fucked!

Scott Duncan I agree, why ask for their concocted piles of conspiracy via the court...if people want the information in the states have yourself or anyone file an FOIA...by asking for the info in court it creates joinder and they believe you will respond and fight. This is all about not acting as a LAWYER or trying to be a LAWYER in THEIR CLUB we are not here to PLAY a GAME in the COURT or dramatize theoretical law practice.

I was recently offered disclosure after making it very clear I was attending under duress and, inter alia, jurisdiction was being denied. I refused disclosure and said that is not something for me it is for something an "accused" (whatever the hell that is - all I know for sure is it's not me). I made it clear that if it was the Crown's submission that I was the "accused" that I would not be relieving the Crown of the burden of proving I am the "accused" by taking something which only that fiction is entitled to receive. There are two questions you will note are repeatedly asked by the judge. One, are you going to be retaining counsel? And two, have you received disclosure? Perhaps an similar analogy to those two questions would be asking Scott if he has ever been fitted for an IUD or had a hyterectomy. Know who you are and what applies to you!

He kept asking "why?" when you already told him, "The ACT OF ASKING, CEDES THE JURISDICTION! "Disclosure" is THEIRS, not YOURS! If you are NOT part of THEIR jurisdiction, you do NOT want any of their shit!"

demand Proof of Claim

Their claim is statutory in nature. They are alleging that a class of person (a fiction) engaged in an act it was not permitted to do or omitted to do somthing it was otherwise required to do based upon the rights and duties conferred upon it by Her Majesty. Their claim is not grounded in the common law and directed at the living man/woman for injuring another party.

"Statutory? Sorry Mister Supernumerary, but I don't UNDERSTAND what you mean by "STATUTORY" ".

Wtf do you care about some class of person that did or didn't do something? Its got absolutely nothing to do with you. But do not demand anything (including proof of claim) in a statutory court under a statutory proceeding since the only person with standing to be heard there is a legal fiction and the Crown. Are you either of those?

The only reason for their encounter with you is their CLAIM that you are in their jurisdiction. Prove it!

Can I say something ?

Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma: Agreed 100%. Hit at jurisidiction! I see so many wanting to go into a statutory proceeding and ask for proof of claim "of an injured party". That's irrelavent, they are NOT claiming such things. I thought that was the "proof of claim" you meant. If you hit at jurisidiction right at the onset they have not established you as being the legal fiction.

I will say anyway, fuck it....I read Scott Duncan saying : ...or agents trying to mislead. This lead me to two questions. 1). Do you really think some government agents are following this group ? 2). If some do, are they NOT just going to quit their stupid jobs and figure out that they are really missing the boat ?

6. WHAT EVIDENCE do YOU have, that I am an OFFICER, an AGENT, a TRUSTEE and/or an EMPLOYEE of the CROWN? WHAT EVIDENCE do "YOU" have of any WARRANT OF AGENCY for the principal?

courtesy and courtesian are like holding the door for a party who thinks you expect more, when your intent is just being nice and they take it as an invitation to being screwed. holding the door for you is not a request for sex althou you might think that way, I might just want to see your bum first before i decide to waste the time or not! is it the court's intent to fuck me or just fuck with me?

How is your knowledge regarding Maxims-of-Law, Philip?

Off hand, not too well, however I don't mind doing a bit of research!

If my clients even get any docs from any lawyer i tell them to give it BACCCKKKK....STOP HOLDING ON TO THEIR SHIT, so thanks its good to read that. If you hold on to it, anyone know what that is called besides dealing with jurisdiction ? Mmmmm.... ??anyone? give it a few comments Scott Duncan before you jump the gun !!

however i do say, photocopy them and than give them back lol...might has well look over the pile of crap they sent, its like a comic strip

surety

by silence

YOU would be creating joinder by not rebutting the presumptions in the pile of crap...

ACCEPTING joinder

They create and one accepts correct?

nope...keep going...think about it, your HOLDING onto it....they handed it over...you keep it...surety is can be part

You're trustee of a pile of crap?

You are holder of an offer to contract

in due course

Oh, HOLDER FOR VALUE?

PRESUMPTION OF LAW NOTICE Dear those-who-would-rather-us-go-along-operating-in-Admiralty-Law-blindly-with-you, I in the meantime will PRESUME you know that Ontario is a common law jurisdiction and that you are all just playing-dumb with us otherwise. Feel free to ask for my fee-schedule too, by the way... :)

If the judge has it in for you, are you familiar with what the Rules-for-Recusal are?

Not really, I know how to get them to recuse. I don't play by the rules, well not THEIR rules anyway!!

Recusal is based on: 1. Bias 2. Prejudice 3. Conflict of Interest 4. Ignorance of the Law

Wayyy down this page i wrote about a group in Brampton who were taken to court for having the NERVE to discharge their mortgages successfully with an Electronic Funds Transfer. As the story goes, one guy had a Judge/Justice who obviously was on the banks side. This guy calmy collected himself, leaned back in his chair, had a pondering look upon him, and commented to the Judge in a matter-of-fact tone- "Hmm, i gotta say, you know what? Seems like the court is showing some BIAS against me.(paraphrasing)" His friend who was there telling me the story SWEARS he's never seen anything like it, how like a switch had been turned on, this Judge seemed alarmed/startled by what had been said, almost worried, and thereon in, did a complete 180. The friend said the Judge acted COMPLETELY different towards his friend, and completely impartial, from obviously siding with the bank initially, to actually seeming like he was now siding with his friend. ALL this guy did, without getting his shorts-in-a-knot, in a non-adverse way, SIMPLY mentioned in passing that he felt there was BIAS being shown against him, and it completely turned his hearing around for the better dealing with the Judge. For what its worth, Philip... ;)

You are the LAWFUL HOLDER IN DUE COURSE of a VALUABLE SECURITY, and you are the TRUSTEE for/of that security/property. You are therefore SURETY. IT'S NOT YOURS.

If you ask that they recuse themselves, they must. You don't need to give a reason.

Scott, by this you mean any offer presented to your NAME, as nothing is presented to you? Only to YOU.

Supernumeraries are there by presumed consent. Asking the supernumerary to recuse himself, removes that presumption.

Scott: You are the LAWFUL HOLDER IN DUE COURSE of a VALUABLE SECURITY �so this is the PRESENTMENT itself is a valuable security or the PRESENTMENT TO NAME (being the valuable security)?

Yes. Close enough. If the post office made an error and delivered a Nuke, destined for Area 51, but ended up in YOUR hands, because of a MISTAKE, then until the US Army is NOTIFIED, then YOU are liable for the well-being of that nuke.

Thanks everyone for all the great information!! What a great group of intellectual people.I had mentioned putting a lien on the charges, now I think I am going to lien the law licenses of a few "crown" attorneys. I believe judges are also card carrying lawyers are they not?

Intellectual people ? :/

Me, I'm filled with WISDOM, but intellectual ? I'm not sure on that one :D

I may have pushed it a bit there and 2 greats? Anyway, I am still grateful for the advice from all the wise people.

You are welcome and if I can help you more, don't call :D

If the post office made an error and delivered a Security (BC), destined for the Registrar General, but ended up in MY hands, because of a MISTAKE, then until the Registrar General is NOTIFIED, then I am liable for the well-being of that Security (BC). ? Do I get this correctly ? :/

Pierre.. destined for the Registrar General, or Receiver General? ;)

This is an excellent point, Philip. Once a lawyer from the BAR, becomes a Judge/Justice, how does that change things..or, is he now just a Judge/Justice contolled-puppet of the BAR, too? :/

A JUSTICE is NOT A PERSON under the law. It's the only way to ESCAPE the BAR.

I believe they maintain their law license, I doubt any of them would give it up even if they could. In Ontario, you can put a lien on it for $28.00 and $8.00 a year after that through PPSA, Thanks to DEREK HILL for letting me know about that!! So once their license has a lien on it, in the immortal words of Donald Trump, YOU'RE FIRED!!!

Well then just go after crowns licenses, once a few of them get fired there will be no worry about "Justices".

"If the post office made an error and delivered a Nuke, destined for Area 51, but ended up in YOUR hands, because of a MISTAKE, then until the US Army is NOTIFIED, then YOU are liable for the well-being of that nuke."..... wow, so whats really being said here between-the-lines? That WE, were never INTENDED, to be the RECIPIENT, of the Birth Certificate? But that WE, ended-up with it, by (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) MISTAKE?? :/

Yes. But YOU are the only VALUE in the name

Ahhhhhhh..... why do i get the feeling we were SUPPOSED to end-up with the RECEIVER'S CERTIFICATE, which instead, ended-up being sent by AGAIN (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) mistake to the REGISTRAR GENERAL of each Province instead? :/

AND..which would explain THIS part of THEIR Criminal Code: Public servant refusing to deliver property 337. Every one who, being or having been employed in the service of Her Majesty in right of Canada or a province, or in the service of a municipality, and entrusted by virtue of that employment with the receipt, custody, management or control of anything, refuses or fails to deliver it to a person who is authorized to demand it and does demand it is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

Scott Duncan: If I LIEN the Nuke, I've CLAIMED it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qm0KUPeD8

Well off to court tomorrow. Handing back their disclosure. Going to create some havoc, for sure!!

So the Government created a valuable security and the certificate should have gone to the Treasurer (Ireland) as they handle Government finances... There are many different types of securities... Would I be close in saying the security represented by the BC is an "EQUITY SECURITY"?

Claim ~ An interest or remedy recognized at law; the means by which a person can obtain a privilege, possession, or enjoyment of a right or thing

Security A security indicates an interest based on an investment in a common enterprise rather than direct participation in the enterprise. Under an important statutory definition, a security is any interest or instrument relating to finances, including a note, stock, treasury stock, BOND, debenture, evidence of indebtedness, certificate of interest or participation in a profit-sharing agreement, collateral trust certificate, pre-organization certificate or subscription, transferable share, investment contract, voting trust certificate, certificate of deposit for a security, fractional undivided interest in oil, gas, or other mineral rights, or certificate of interest or participation in, temporary or interim certificate for, receipt for, guarantee of, or warrant or right to subscribe to or purchase any of these things. A security also includes any put, call, straddle, option, or privilege on any security, certificate of deposit, group or index of securities, or any such device entered into on a national securities exchange, relating to foreign currency

Would I be right in saying we have a security in the form of an equitable interest in a corporation i.e common stock? Referred to as a PERSON? :p Common stock ~ A security that represents an ownership interest in a company and includes conferring voting rights on matters pertaining to the company... i.e. Elections, referendums etc?

Just got back from court, returned their disclosure, they weren't happy!! Left them with this comment, "what I'm going to do is lien someone's law license!" Have to go back tomorrow for another matter, fireworks for sure, I will be submitting my notice of mistake, properly this time and of course the old point of order is in order, but the court will be in disorder for sure!!

What court are you in? What was their response to disclosure being returned? And, what reason did you give for returning it?

Ontario court of justice. The crown looked upset and the JP asked me if my name was on it, I said I didn't look at it, it was given to me by mistake. If there had been a Judge I would have used the notice of mistake and the old point of order. Tomorrow there will be a judge and I will use it on him!

There will be a JUSTICE, not a Judge. :P We have no Judges here.

Oh ya, a Justice, well whom ever is sitting up there tomorrow is going to hear from me!!

Hey Philip Laforet, tell him Fucks the Puppy says to go fuck him self :D

Oh you're bad. I will if it gets to that!!

Philip Laforet good job! now the Justice and his goons will try to call one who approaches as such crazy at the upcoming hearing because a threat was made; this was what they've done to me, just maintain control and keep focused never to give up any rights.

I'll maintain control alright, the justice tomorrow is the guy I promised to lien his condo, he's a bit nervous around me.

lol ok.

FOCUS :D

yes, somehow justices become doctors of psychiatry on the bench in an instant and suddenly evaluate people like their qualified to determine our health on the spot without even knowing shit about us personally.

Let them try!!

or should i say internally because they do know a lot about persons :) :):)

Philip, before you GET INTO IT with the Justice- try saying to him first: "Let me first just start-off by saying your Justice, that i am here in GOOD FAITH, as i do not WISH to create controversy, as i WISH to remain in peace-and-honour, as i have reason to believe there has been a MISTAKE, as i am NOT a GOVERNMENT ACTOR, performing a GOVERNMENT ACTION, or peforming a public-function-of-government"..... this is if the POINT-OF-ORDER mantra doesnt work first.

I'm the lawful holder in due course of Philip Laforet I'm the SOLE beneficiary of Philip Laforet I'm the only one who makes business decision for Philip Laforet And I RESERVE ALL RIGHTS Any Objections ? O

:D

This policy may be referred to as THE FUCKS THE PUPPY ACT of 2013.

Why can't Philip just stand on his affidavit and exhibits? "Justice, did you get my paperwork? Did you understand it all, including my notice of mistake? How can I help you?"

Soory guys, I will freely share my wisdom with you but I have a customer who is about to empty my shop as we speak.... :/

Philip is merely the accommodation party there to bring resolution to any controversy.

That's a GOOD thing, if he's paying for it. ...not so much if he's not.

He is paying, not a problem with that part :D

Isn't paying illegal? :p

Illegal activities :D

Terrosism :(

Just got back from 'court' interesting. I submitted my notice of mistake with the birth certif. attached. gave a copy to the crown. The justice tried to give it back to me, I wouldn't accept it, they left it on the counter. The crown lady grabs it and puts it on the podium where I was standing, I didn't touch it. I am sending her a letter thanking her for willingly accepting surety for the legal person and reminding her of the obligations and duties she has accepted. Also, she was drinking coffee in the courtroom, a big no no. So I will be putting a lien on her law license, to the tune of $50,000.00. That should stop the coffee drinking problem!! Who do these people think they are?

@phillip they think they are above their own law's.

Well, they are going to find out just whom is above the law!!!

The famous- "If you got mailed a NUKE"-thread...