Send them a "Fuck You" letter :) If they DEMAND you pay, be sure to show up with the payment receipts for your vehicle; the insurance; the fuel; the wiper blades, the tires, that new engine you had to put in it last year, and a fee schedule for the amount of money they owe you in back pay.
Note: That vehicle belongs to THEM, it is THEIR responsibility to tag it and make sure the stickers are up to date, not yours ... unless of course, you are being paid for you time to drive that state owned vehicle, in which they will have payroll receipts and an employment contract on file for you.
When you registered the vehicle with the state, you basically handed it over to them. They sent you back a title, which basically passes the obligation over to you while they maintain ownership ;)
So that's fine; they own it, and along with owning a vehicle comes maintenance of that vehicle, including the purchase price, which they have yet to reimburse you for ;) and your back pay ;)
Do you REALLY think the STATE would allow ANYONE other than a STATE EMPLOYEE to drive around town in one of THEIR vehicles?
Since they are under the presumption you are one of their employees, you may also operate under the presumption you are getting paid for you time, and you are to be reimbursed for every penny you've put into that vehicle since the day they gave it to you to drive :)
Only STATE EMPLOYEES of the Foreign Corporation are required to tag their vehicles, but you did so, just in case you ever decided to go to work for the STATE, and the fact they threaten to impound it if you don't.
So, because it has a tag, they are under the 'presumption' you are one of their employees, which is just fine and dandy if that's the stance they wish to take.
But, you see in life, there are consequences to making baseless presumptions, and one of those consequences is this:
Since the STATE presumes you work for them, then it's safe for you to presume you're getting paid; to presume they've just been holding your bi-monthly checks because they've conveniently forgot to mail them on the 1st and 15th of every month since the day you first tagged THEIR vehicle ;)
Can they rebut your presumption? Do you really want to rebut theirs?
To rebut their presumption could cost you thousands of dollars they owe you for driving THEIR state owned vehicle all these years.
I love the fact they presume I'm an employee, and as soon as they decide to exercise their authority over me, I'll be showing up to collect my money.
If they don't want to pay me my money, I'll start a website especially for them, that will inform ALL Citizens of the state, that the state indeed owes them some back pay ;)
Lets play ball !
Bruce, if you are really new at this, then do what Scott says and send the "Notice of Mistake". I personally just like to fuck with these people, but be wise of the battles you pick ;)
Believe me when I say "I'm here to learn as much as you are", and Scott is the pro, I've just studied this fiasco of vehicle ownership through a few other very knowledgeable people who have taught me some other angles, and I like to fuck with these clowns a little more than the average bear does when it comes to combating their presumptions ;)
If you show up when they "call" that name, then surety is back on you, essentially. They need a NAME in those courts. You can even fax it over (commissioned) and they will get it. Send it to the crown and clerk.
It seems stupid, its like they have to follow rules, and if you know the rules, they have no power over you, it almost seems to be a dreamland they live in...
My Certificate of Live Birth only speaks type written letter-language; you will have to address him/her through certified mail and he/she will do the same. I've tried and tried to teach that fucking piece of paper proper English, but it's useless ;)
This is when you break out a Charlie Brown's Teacher voice and speak into the phone to the state agent "Mwa-wha-mwa-wha-wha-mawah", and say " I told you he/she can't speak a fucking lick of English", you'll have to send him/her a letter ;)
Wait until you say something REALLY stupid and Scott Duncan happen to be around and jump on you with his axe in the right hand and a flishlight in the left hand.....you will see how FUNNY we can be :D
But of course Mr. Agent Man, I can interpret the language for you right her over the phone, but I do charge a fee for speaking on his/her behalf of $2,500.00 per minute. Do you agree to the terms and charges of this immediate translation?
you may be trying to tell them you aren't an employee, and thus exempt, BUT you siugned up and "applied" for a drivers license, meaning that in fact you actually ARE a government employee, thus being double minded. Go back and undo the original contract for lack of disclosure to you , and you would never have signed up if all the facts were made known to you, it was a Mistake from the get go.
You Son of a Bitch DWAINE CARRILLO, there is an IRS agent on the phone that says you owe him $20 thousand dollars, is this true?
"Mwa-wha-mahwa-wha-wha-mwa-wha-mawaaaaaa"
Um, yes, Mr. Agent man, my Certificate of Live Birth says you owe him some back pay and he plans on paying the taxes out of the money you owe him, is this correct?
you are being threatened and accused by black powdered ink arranged into shapes on pieces of paper, that should give anyone an eye opening experience into WTF??
but for most of us going into this for the first time, it feels like the first time driver, unsure of the road, now that I have driven for more than 20 years, and had people crashing into me, I know how to get out of the way... and now you are giving me the skills to get out of the way of the courts... thanks all
Quick one Scott, friend got sentenced to 2 1/2 yrs for accessory to armed robbery, he's in prison now, is an appeal an option or is he to sit it out for the term?
If I ever go to court again, and I hope I do , I'm going to ask these fackers if there is ANY Bond-Trading going on without written delegated authority from the Estate, and ask as many times as I have to, to get an answer
please (plz)
v. pleased, pleas�ing, pleas�es
v.tr.
1. To give enjoyment, pleasure, or satisfaction to; make glad or contented.
2. To be the will or desire of: May it please the court to admit this firearm as evidence.
v.intr.
1. To give satisfaction or pleasure; be agreeable: waiters who try hard to please.
2. To have the will or desire; wish: Do as you please. Sit down, if you please.
adv.
1. If it is your desire or pleasure; if you please. Used in polite requests: Please stand back. Pay attention, please.
2. Yes. Used in polite affirmative replies to offers: May I help you? Please.
Liens.... In drink terms...
My friend bought a bottle of Whiskey, I wanted to drink all of it but he was into it by �20, if I don't drink it all he has me... LIEN?
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1. Lacking worldly experience and understanding, especially:
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2. Showing or characterized by a lack of sophistication and critical judgment: "this extravagance of metaphors, with its naive bombast" (H.L. Mencken).
3.
a. Not previously subjected to experiments: testing naive mice.
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One who is artless, credulous, or uncritical.
GOVERNMENT is NOT a PERSON, therefore, CANNOT be a PARTY- however... apparently a MUNICIPALITY can and IS a PERSON? If so, how the fuck did THAT work out?
@deric, that depends all upon how that municipality is 'acting' (capacity). when a government or department/agent ceises to act as such and does so act as a corporation, it IS at that time A corporation.
same as when your employer with holds taxes, or requests a tax ID, it is ACTING as an agent, and therefore 'subject' to those laws applicable...
"I sent the ticket in marked not guilty," You entered a "PLEA" consenting to their jurisdiction. Never do that it's equal to begging, and gives them authority. As for your remedy now "NOTICE OF MISTAKE" and a prayer. You will need the prayer because of the plea, might want to bite the bullet on this one. My 2 Cents
It's my understanding now that since any 'ticket' is an offer to contract, and actually an assumption of an adhesion contract through the registered vehicle....one would do best to write 'no contract' diagonally across the 'ticket' and return it to the issuing cop store/ franchise office. Of course they, being robots working for other robots will process this as they normally do anyway. So you will have to make your stand in the ordinary ways we are doing here anyway. You might as well take the plates off, collect yellow bits of paper until they either shoot you or beg you to share your enlightened buddhist 'non-attachment' spiritual system...and then start a commune like Osho did....oh...they jailed him for income tax violations too didn't they?
which one's you Joe? Reminds me of my hippy days. But to be honest, I've been a nudist for so long, seeing boobs and genitals doesn't ever mean sexuality or 'free love'. Love is a contract too. Being naked is a right and should never be assumed to mean acceptance....lol. Especially if your documentation is a little 'floppy'.
How many of you guys disrespect women? I've already seen Scott solicit for 'cum bunnies'....which is certainly not disrespectful, but a generous offer to employ for service....well....who knows how generous....and I would be very suspect of the wording of any contract he writes.....but I digress...how many guys ask a girl they meet for her phone number? Most guys do...."I GOT her number"....Then it's "I GOT to kiss her" "I GOT to feel her up." Etc. This is just how the cops talk (and snicker) back at the station after they GOT you to identify yourselves, submit to questions, searches, etc, etc. And we have the nerve to be offended? No. You offer your own phone number and totally leave it up to her to contact you. If it's time for kissy feely fucky, you announce your request like an honourable gentleman and thank her for any refusal or conditional acceptance. We're talking chivalry here and if Scott were to contract with me for lessons he wouldn't have to advertise. We might be able to have a barter relationship (for legal goods)....but I don't do hookers, or pot...or bits-o-coins. This advice above is payment for one time use of your lovely "Notice of Mistake".
Love is indeed a contract. You offer everything and hold nothing back. If you think to benefit then you are not a lover able to contract....you can't afford love. A real lover is nothing and the beloved is everything. Most can never come into love in full liability and utter honour. They hedge and blame, place conditions, and want collateral and protect their own with 'pre-nuptuals' that guarantee the divorce. Go make business deals and spend your days and nights studying minutea of statutes and acts...the dead corpse of loveless commercial dualisms. A lover agrees to not exist. His only condition is to want whatever she wants....even if she wants him to go away. Yuk, yuk....how many have the balls or ovaries for that?
not literally of course. Our balls and ovaries are what instigate loving relationships between sexes which is what I'm talking about. 'He's got big balls' generally means courage. What is courage? You're French so you know it's a heart thing. A big heart gives. A big heart is wealthy like a king. A real king is a sovereign who is always thinking not of himself but his subjects and country...because he loves them and has devoted his existence to their welfare....another rare or extinct thing.