I had this conversation with a banker a few weeks ago when they refused to release an overseas transfer into the designated account & he confirmed that the funds belong to the bank to be released at their sole discretion...good to see the background on the relationship & how it came about, thanks Blake ;-)

Yes Stuart according to the article as long as the money is with the bank it's on loan and at "their" discretion but as creditor you can "demand" the principle returned:-)

"all bank notes have a hidden commercial lien attached to them which means that anything that you acquire with their currency belongs to whomever issued the note." how?

David - as an issue of legal title by using another's property/promise/note to aquire the item. You have possession/equitable title.

That could probably be knocked on the head pretty quickly by asking for a proof of claim, with first hand knowledge (ie: witness testimony, not hearsay from a third party eg: bank manager) that you used their notes, specifically the serial numbers on the notes in question. ;-)

Of course - in a fictional world the fact are on the moon it's all about claim:-)

Last claim standing wins:-)

sure,(and quick thinking Stuart Stone), i buy that for somthing like an auto where origin title [manufacturer] is pledged to the registry in leu of their issued title with the trick 'security interest' attached at the bottom, but what about a hand written notarized, Apostilled (secretary of state for use outside the U.S.), bill of sale private party for silver and other consideration [say i get scott duncan to do the seller real good]... ?

oh, and NOT retitled so the bill of sale negates all previous titles including attached security interest, and no new one is applied for.

Your right, It's hard to argue with someone who has a title claim, even if they don't have possession but contracts can move, and power of attorney obtained by procuration:-)

ok, so then back to the original statement clarification, what hidden lein could be applicable through the usage of the FRN's as medium of exchange? can you show proof of such a thing?

i dont see it or understand how that relates to consumer goods purchases... and pertaining to consumer goods, "without recourse" means you cant return the goods... recourse; a change in direction, [guess] In Massachusetts we have the right to return pretty much anything within 30 days. we use the retail shops as rental units, as in; i bought a new 32" monitor online from newegg, so meanwhile i went 3 miles to target, bought the similar model, used it for the 4-5 days till the cheaper & tax free unit arrived, then returned the one to target for a refund. saved >$65. (fuck target anyways, they like/cater to muslims).

why would it matter where it was made? are you just changing the subject rather than providing the evidence to back up the claim?

yep, but i bought retail goods, the first sentence is related to goods while being delivered to the retailer. your second sentance is relative to a vehicle, which the state does NOT TAKE the MSO, you GIVE IT TO THEM <keyword> volintarily [out of ignorance]. my friend just bought a trailer, shipped from Pensylvania came with the MSO, to the dealer and signed on the back delivered to the consumer, which IMHO is wrong and should not have the dealer's name on it as my friend is the retail purchaser. I bought a trailer from LOWE'S and they gave me the MSO (which I still have). here we can just pretend to home made the trailer from spare parts and stock from the steel yard, and the plate can then be used pretty much on any trailer as long as it's under 3000#, but i've hauled 12 ton boats with plate. nothing is illegal until you get caught doing it. BUT lets get back to the original question as I will deny the statement's validity unless it can be qualified: what HIDDEN LIEN can be attached to the use of Federal Reserve debt Notes as a medium of exchange between parties, private OR public (retail).

i still fail to see. if you sell goats, and loose an IOU to me in a poker game, and somonelse is willing to trade me a goatskin jacket for that note knowing that you will honor the note for a goat doesnt give you any claim to the jacket.

money is debt III, yes, sure, 10 minutes into it and i know what it's talking about. it fails to answer the question. if my dog gets loose by accident and gets your dog pregnant I have no entitlement to any of the puppies. neither does my dog.

and that is why you fail, eventually you will agree with them. eventually i start shooting, deth is preffered over enslavement.

I am not a party to the U.S., padelford & fay v. aldermen and savannah.