There's a guy named Kevin Jones on here who has a page with 870 members devoted to trying to put a stop to WSIB treating injured-workers like GARBAGE, and out of those, the first member of that group has joined this group, Wendie..so hopefully anybody with knowledge-and-insight to the dynamic that makes WSIB tick can contribute on how to deal with them: https://www.facebook.com/groups/11868327550/

Thanks Derek Kevin is a trooper !!!

You're welcome, Wendie. Pay no heed to what Yvette told you. Scott may use alot of salty-language(ALOT, of salty-language), but it is NOT bullshit AND/OR big words. Two online resources if you do not have access to a law-dictionary to see what the big-words mean are here: http://www.constitution.org/bouv/bouvier.htm http://blacks.worldfreemansociety.org/

I will look it up !! But I need layman s terms. Thanks again Derek

Since Scott has pointed-out that government is a TRUST. Then WSIB, would be operating as an extension, of that TRUST. However, WSIB is an INSURANCE board. And as Dean Clifford has said, anytime you bring an INSURANCE company into the mix, you have automatically subjugated and/or subrogated (i forget which one exactly) your RIGHTS to another. You THINK WSIB will treat you as the BENEFICIARY of this TRUST, and THEY the TRUSTEE. But, i suspect what happens, is that it becomes the exact reverse. THEY become the BENEFICIARY, and YOU become DEEMED the TRUSTEE. A TRUSTEE is an EMPLOYEE. An EMPLOYEE is told what to do. Kinda like the way everybody says they are being spoken to/treated by WSIB- being TOLD what to do. Sound familiar?

Yes. Keep going !!!

So ?? My next step is to insist that they treat me like a beneficiary ???

Have you ever actually checked what the definition of a "WORKER" is on the WSIB Act?: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_97w16_e.htm#BK2

No but I will

�worker� means a person...; its alot longer than that, but, the word PERSON is all you need to concern yourself with.

Ok Derek. I am confused. Please help

I am soooo trying to understand

So Wendie, you'll notice, just above in my description of what WSIB is, that the admin of the page Scott "Liked" what i had to say. He does that often so he doesnt have to spend the whole day typing-out full-blown explanations to people. He will just confirm to save time if you were RIGHT in what you had to say, by clicking the "Like" button. Always check the "Like" buttons to see if Scott was one of those who clicked on it.

You will notice however, there is NO definition given for PERSON in the WSIB Act. When this happens, in ANY government Act, WSIB or not, you must automatically revert to the default-definition of PERSON given by the PROVINCE OF ONTARIO, and that is in their LEGISLATION ACT, 2006.

Default definition ?? Where do I find that ?? I am not a highly educated PERSON ...

You will notice they hide these definitions down at the end of the Act..dont think this isnt done by design. �person� includes a corporation; http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_06l21_e.htm#BK104

Now keep in mind, the legalese-definition of INCLUDES is NOT the same as the one we learned in grade-school i.e. expansive, etc., etc.... it is in fact the complete OPPOSITE. In legalese, INCLUDES is an exhaustive/comprehensive definition.

Sooo. ???? What do I do with this information ?? I am a corporation ?? Please be patient. I am trying to take this all in

This means: �person� includes a corporation; = "person" IS a corporation; = "person" MEANS a corporation; = "person" IS and means ONLY a corporation;

This is why you will notice, that your NAME is always in CAPITAL LETTERS on any documents you get from WSIB?

Therefore I am not ... Because I am not a person according to Wsib ????

(2) The name of a corporation shall be set out in an application filed under the Act in block capital letters and with only one space between each word. http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_900181_e.htm#BK0

So you are saying. I am a PERSON. Who is fucked by the WSIB system ???

I know.. this is tough to understand if you are just starting-out. You know what, im going to post 3 videos on Kevin's page. Watch all 3, and you should understand better what is going-on.....

Thanks Derek. Just trying to understand

Below this, is a thread Scott did on how to write/draft a proper NOTICE..in this case it was a PUBLIC NOTICE. This will be very, very informative to you.....as opposed to sending FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 'requests' to them, which I KNOW is what WSIB would prefer you to do

Scott, would the NOTICE OF MISTAKE be applicable to people having their lives ruined by WSIB?..im trying to guide this group here on facebook, and, this is what i got- "That's all great but who's going to pay for all these roads and infrastructure?" THE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME *long sigh* ..was thinking the NOTICE OF MISTAKE would work for them on some angle even though they're not facing jail-time :/

Here's a definition from Black's Law Dictionary 9th-edition you might not think has anything to do with you people dealing with WSIB, until...you get to the very END of it: ADMIRALTY: (ad-m"-r,,l-tee), n. 1. A court that exercises jurisdiction over all maritime contracts, torts, injuries, or offenses. _ The federal courts are so called when exercising their admiralty jurisdiction, which is conferred by the U.S. Constitution (art. III, � 2, cI. 1). Also termed admiralty court; maritime court. [Cases: Admiralty 1.] 2. The system of jurisprudence that has grown out of the practice of admiralty courts; MARITIME LAW. 3. Narrowly, the rules governing contract, tort, and workers'-compensation claims arising out of commerce on or over navigable water. Also termed (in senses 2 & 3) admiralty law. - admiralty

..from the WSIB-page i posted on here TRUE STORY!: Mr. and/or Mister and/or Ms., is a term of ADMIRALTY LAW, that refers to a subordinate. When you let WSIB get away with addressing you as that, you are CONSENTING to them addressing you as THEIR SUBJECT. SUBJECT = SLAVE. "Dear WSIB, Hi - how are you? And please by all means call me Michel- as my mother called me Michel, and as i understand it Mr./Mister is a term of Admiralty Law that refers to a subordinate as i neither LIVE on and/or over 'navigable waters.'" Let me first just start-off by saying that i am writing this in good faith as i do not WISH to create controversy as i WISH to remain in peace-and-honour, and, in a NON-adverse manner. (start body of your letter/NOTICE here) By: NON ASSUMPSIT, WITHOUT PREJUDICE, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED_____(your signature here)_____ Michel Belisle, Grantor, Donee, sole-LIVING-Beneficiary-in-RIGHT, Lawful-Holder-In-Due-Course, de jure pro domino, NOT a body corporate, Creditor *DISCLAIMER: DO NOT use these terms for yourself until you have LEARNED what they mean everybody.....this is just what I WOULD USE, because I JUST KNOW ;)

Great stuff !! :)

HOW do you THINK Wsib gets all so WEALTHY off of YOU being INJURED?!? (a) the right of the individual to life, liberty, security of the person and enjoyment of property... http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/sc-1960-c-44/latest/sc-1960-c-44.html Life, liberty and security of person 7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person... http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-15.html Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ Article 9 1. Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/ccpr.aspx Article 9 The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to social security, including social insurance. http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CESCR.aspx ..did i miss any? p.s. SECURITY.. of... the... PERSON NONE OF THIS IS HIDDEN!

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