It appears that matter is already cleared, Dear Pierre. If a 3rd party is involved now, the mobile company probably covered their "loss" with an insurance EVERY account MUST have in case of "default". So, if they have "sold" the "account", they have legally ceased collecting from you. If you fail to rebut the presumption that somehow magically now you owe an unkown 3rd party some "money", it stands as true in their sick bullshit world. The only way to stablish HOW and WHO is LIABLE for anything, amoung 2 parties that have an issues is? A FREAKING CONTRACT! So you know for a FACT you have NEVER signed a contract with Commercial Credit Adjusters, so HOW COULD LAW APPLY TO YOU? You can be nice, and conditionally accept upon PROOF of claim (thats for pussies, in my opinion), or you can confidently tell them: SUE ME, GO AHEAD, YOU FRAUDULENT VAMPIRES! Because you have no contract with them, you can only assume liability if you CONSENT, and VOLUNTARY COMPLY to your MASTER. Remember this, LAW can ONLY apply to you if you have signed a contract with another party IN AGREEMENT clearly stating which laws will apply, and how matters will be solved in case of breach of that contract. So, the collection company DOES NOT have a VALID CLAIM because, by LAW, there MUST be a VALID CONTRACT between you 2. Now, having said that, how can you go to court (THE CROWN), Pierre, and CLAIM justice thru LAW, if you dont have a VALID CONTRACT WITH THE CROWN? Have you signed a VALID CONTRACT WITH THE CROWN accepting ALL their bullshit laws? And, if so, who is LIABLE at the other end just in case they breach the contract?

Just to make it VERY clear....As the CEO of this Company, if the company REALLY owe them $1428.81, the CEO will cut a check with PLEASURE......But the CEO, needs an INVOICE with d�tails on the service and/or products supplied with taxes d�tails for EVERY bills that comes in the company before he approuves them...

Are you a corporation, Pierre? Have you REGISTERED as such? Do you have a board of directors, you make corporate resolutions, and all that? Because if NOT, you are not following the LAW. But then again, Pierre, how do you know THE CROWN will honor THEIR PRIVATE LAW to a stranger, with no contract with them?

I'm the CEO of this Corporation that receives these calls from this Commercial Credit Adjusters Ltd company.....

have you requested to Commercial Credit Adjusters provide you with a copy of the contract they have with you?

No...I request they communicate with me by writing....nothing recieved yet...

Ok, now I get it. I apologize. But instead of asking them for an invoice, why not ask them: Who the heck are you? Do we have a contract? Do you know that what you are trying to do its called FRAUD? BY WHICH AUTHORITY are you dealing with a matter pertaining exclusively to (name of your corporation). I COMMAND you to never contact (name of your corp) again, you have been warned. Pierre. CEO. Corporate seal. Nothing more, nothing less. Registered mail, via certificate of service. I hope this helps!

If they send me something in writing...I will definitly follow these instructions Maximiliano P�rez....but on the phoe....I have no INTENTIONS of dealing ANYTHING with them...I'm I right ????

I'm thinking outloud here...wouldnt it be better to deal with them on a living being basis as opposed to a CEO for a corporation....the power you have is that you are the only one that can sign an actual contract...a corporation (the collection agency) cant sign a contract...not to mention the fact that you don't have a contract with them anyway..if there was a contract involved it was with bell ?

Exactly, Pierre! Why would you answer the phone, talk to a complete stranger that you have absolutely NO WAY of verifying their IDENTITY? it is CRAZY to talk over the phone. EVERYTHING MUST BE IN WRITING! Never talk in the phone, that is irresponsible. And you may include in your communication to cease all phone calls, or any/all communication for eternity, literally.

So I'll wait for a WRITTEN communication.....that they will send via the PROPER method...I'm I right again ????

Gail Blackman, they are contacting a Corporation which I happen to be the CEO.....they are NOT contacting a HUMAN BEING....:)

oh it's your business...sorry for my misunderstanding..thank you

I'm not sure its MY business.....in FACT, it is NOT MY business....its a Corporation that I happen to be the CEO...:D

If you want the phone calls to stop inmediately, send that letter via fax, inluding the command of cease and desist any/all communications. I hope you realize that you have a tank, and they have a lollypop. ;)

I do Realize this Maximiliano P�rez :D :D

and I LOVE tanks...:D

Question for my own understanding....if it is a corporation vs a corporation, what gives one corporation more power over the other..my assumption is that its not Pierre the person but SCF Montreal?

I'll put my 20 cents, Gail. Because this is the Tender for Law, lets talk Law. All persons (corporations) are created equal under the LAW. No corporation has more power than another.... Unless one of the 2 parties CONSENTS to such averation. So 2 corporations want to do "business", how do they establish that? Via a CONTRACT! So 1st for that contract to be valid, it must contain all the goodies of offer, acceptance, meeting of the minds, consideration, and those. Then that contract will say that, if a breach to the agreement occurs, how and in what way it will be solved. So, it will probably say that if 1 party breaches contract, party 2 may take party 1 for breach of contract, or whatever, to court. It has to mention which laws will bound that contract. International maritime? Federal? Statutory? Corporate law? Whichever the 2 parties agree. Now, what happens when 2 companies DO NOT have a contract? No one corporation could possibly CLAIM ANYTHING, because THERE IS NO CONTRACT. So that is why in the case of Pierre he can/must act with such authority. The collection company has NO business claiming crap, UNLESS somehow Pierre BELIEVES they somehow could meddle in a private corporate matter.

And since Pierre is a bit dumb, but NOT stupid Neither IDIOT.....guess what ???? :D

Now, that same concept I just mentioned about corporations, contracts, and Law, applies to YOUR PERSONS. All persons are created equal under the Law. But, the living MAN DOES NOT EXIST IN THEIR FICTION WORLD. Just your person its what is RECOGNIZED under the Law. Unless you BELIEVE this applies to the MAN. And the NOTICE OF MISTAKE lets that cat out of the bag, big time. So, if everything is CONTRACT, Pierre, where is your VALID CONTRACT saying you agree to, not only perform for FREE, but PAYING with your taxes, accepting, lets say... The Criminal Code Of Canada? Were you offered a contract, and you accepted it, any meeting of the minds, signing YOUR LIFE AWAY? Im am just trying to create a lawfull neurological revolution. Anything imposed by force, is SLAVERY. And that can only happen, BY WHICH AUTHORITY? By YOUR OWN AUTORITY, with your own CONSENT. Because, NO MAN has been vested power over other MANl, unless you CONSENT to such averation. And even in their own laws, that were created by MEN, there has to be a valid contract. Anything other than that is slavery, involuntary servitude, and all that good stuff.

I hear you Maximiliano P�rez.....but lets say I go kill the guy the other side of the street because I REALLY dont like the way he looked at me....what shall/must/may happen after that...???

Ok, last time. ALL CORPORATIONS ARE PERSONS, but ALL PERSONS ARE NOT CORPORATIONS. A "birth certificate" means there is a SECURITY, not a CORPORATION. You don't vote at shareholder meetings. You don't have a "first director", nor do you have a "president". You have a PERSON which is A SECURITY, NOT A CORPORATION. PLEASE stop saying that it IS. It misleads people and they will miss key points. SO SAY IT WITH ME: A PERSON IS NOT A CORPORATION!| A CORPORATION CAN BE A PERSON. THAT IS ALL AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR "PERSON". In case you missed it: STOP SAYING A PERSON IS A CORPORATION! TL:DR STOP SAYING A PERSON IS A CORPORATION! P.S. STOP SAYING A PERSON IS A CORPORATION!

I never said that ??? :(

My Person seems to be more as a COUPON to me....

Scott is correct. I apoligize if I was not carefull with my words. Although, I am sure I have not said that.

But Maximiliano P�rez...I really wish you could answer this...but lets say I go kill the guy the other side of the street because I REALLY dont like the way he looked at me....what shall/must/may happen after that...???

I dont have the answer to that, Pierre. But I can give MY WORD that I will never harm any other MAN, and that I will never be that murderer you used as an example.

Good to know, but that type of human does exist..!!!.....what do we do with them ????

Criminal Code ????

a FEW laws..???

"All persons (corporations) are created equal under the LAW." - Is what I am referring to.

The rest I did not bother to read, because the bullshit "All persons (corporations)" nullifies any validity to what follows.

What is PERSON? A man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the rights to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes. 1 Bouv. Inst. no. 137. A human being considered as capable of having rights and of being charged with duties; while a �thing� is the object over which rights may be exercised.Read more: What is PERSON? definition of PERSON (Black's Law Dictionary)

I see what you refer to, Scott. Attempting to answer to Gail her question, I tried using a comparison of the concept of contracts between corporations, and persons, and I placed in parenthesis the word (corporation) by the word person, causing confusion, as if I meant that person is equal to corporation. So I again apologize, if this caused a mistake that could be equated to bullshit.

FUN FACT: A PERSON according to the CRIMINAL CODE is HER MAJESTY, or AN ORGANIZATION.

Note that Human being or Natural Person, makes no appearance in the Criminal Code.

GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

�person� includes a corporation; http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_06l21_e.htm

..i think this is where everybody gets it in their head automatically that PERSON = CORPORATION, and nothing but

If you are charged under the CRIMINAL CODE, then the defined words in the CRIMINAL CODE are what stands.

PERSON = HER MAJESTY, or, an ORGAINZATION..... "By what authority have you DETERMINED i am Her Majesty OR an organization?", then...? :/

When you ask that question,they profile you as a "OPCA" litigant and just railroad you anyway!

Derek Moran, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were getting a clue! ...but I DO know better. :P

..yeah-yeah, do you have your blogtalkradio-account set-up yet? ;)

...you really just said that, didn't you? *Drumming fingers* (Other index finger poised on the "ban" button) ...admit it, you're totally picturing that. I won't be doing any "radio" shows. If you want me to show off, I can deploy a copy of Big Blue Button, with a 1 800 dial-in (with recording and video) from my boat... Yes, I can say that...MY BOAT, MOTHERFUCKERS! :P So, ya, I might do that, just because I'm awesome... And then shut it down because it's mine and it costs money to run these things... Because Fuck off, that's why :P

For the confused 99%: http://www.bigbluebutton.org/

Umm, yeah...that does sound a lot better than banning me. Shame really- i had your nickname already picked-out.."A-guy-who-sounds-like-he-has-a-vagina-in-his-mouth...and his INDEX finger up another girls ass."

Hmmm... a bit "wordy", but you may be onto something.

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ok, so then I can register myself in full name as a corporation and then just tell them they have no right to use my name for anything especially in the comission of a fraud.

fuk I'm getting horny again

C'mon Scott Duncan...teach us on a radio show ya bastard! ;)

Derek Moran is a smart dude too!

HEY....I can not be the SURETY on a criminal charge.....Who has to pay for my DECENT defence..$$$....is $315,000.00 sounds ok..???....

They have to UNLOCK $315,000.00 off the SURETY...????

I'm I smoking too strong stuff...???....

Think of how FUN that would be, yelling-and-screaming at us through the camera and abusively hurling profanity at the camera-lens - how the fuck could you NOT go for that!?

shit, I know I have something here....the SURETY for christ sakes...

I have the coupon, they have the SURETY, they are charging me with criminal charges, they have to unlock $$ if I show my coupon....????

David Johansen, you don't "register yourself" as a corporation. You also don't OWN a corporation (That would be SLAVERY). You CREATE a corporation, then grant ONE SHARE. You are now the SOLE SHAREHOLDER (not an "owner"). You then ORDER (from the corporation, for which you are the CONTROLLING SHAREHOLDER to LIEN your BIRTH CERTIFICATE. The corporation can then hold that asset IN TRUST. When you say "...register myself in full name as a corporation", you reveal a PROFOUND ignorance as to what a CORPORATION IS! You have no CLUE. Stop pulling answers out of your ass, and RESEARCH THESE WORDS, because, as I countless times, have said, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE WORDS MEAN. Pretending you DO helps NOBODY.

The corporation can then hold that asset IN TRUST. Do the CORPORATION need to open a specific bank account for this IN TRUST

the SURETY is in the STATE, the holder in due course of the original certificate of live birth. which may have been liened by the U.S.A. when the application for social security was requested.

?????????????

I do have a Live Birth registration and a Birth certificate in my Pocket....I have no Certificate of live birth

I'm the Lawful holder in due course of that birth certificate....

you only have a copy.

see, they cant admit that you are not, that would expose the fraud.

who cares....THEY sent me that copy and I've made several certified copies of that copy...

I have my suitcase filled with COUPONS...:D

this is why you and others can claim it in a court, because they cant without exposing themselves. they would rather allow you the credibility of the claim at the moment because if they admitted it then they would owe you the value they stole by holding it for you.

the many outweight the few.

Hey...ok, I received a NOTICE April the 16th from them (Mommercial Credit Adjusters Ltd) saying that: 1)It is UNDERSTOOD that yo've negliged to pay the outstanding balance as suggest. 2) we give you 7 days to fix this matter 3) Please Contact US. I sent them back a NOTICE the same day saying: 1)It is UNDERSTOOD that I am the CEO of SFC Inc. 2)It is UNDERSTOOD that our company name is SFC Inc and not CFC Inc. 3)It is UNDERSTOOD that we have not received ANY invoice from your Company. 4) It is UNDERSTOOD that SFC Inc pay ALL their Invoices. 5) It is UNDERSTOOD that if you send us an invoice, we will be happy to approuve it and pay it. 6) It is UNDERSTOOD that ALL other communication from your part will be charge and invoice at $250.00 per Hour. 7) You have 7 days to send us an detailed invoice or we will conclud that this PRESUMED outstanding balance is paid or never existed.

Now, tomorrow, it will be 7 days....do I have to send something else to them ???....Please Scott Duncan ????

The choice is up to you. Dear Blah Blah, Further to the notice of date (date of your notice), 7 days has now passed without receiving ANY invoice from your company. As stated in 7) from the notice dated (date of your notice), this matter is now considered closed. Now you have given them every opportunity to produce an invoice & according to 7), both parties are in agreement that no obligation exists. If needs be, you can swear an affidavit to these facts ;)

I THINK my job is done.... :D fuk them

A signed invoice, I presume? Or a Bill could work too? How good is an invoice without any signature on it?

Is the Birth Certificate a Trust Certificate Unit?

Who the fuck cares ? :D

Certificate A written document that is official verification that a condition or requirement has, or has not, been met. A written assurance issued from a court that is notification to another officer, judge, or court of procedures practiced therein. A document (such as a birth certificate) prepared by an official during the course of his or her regular duties, and which may be used as evidence for certain purposes. A document certifying that one has fulfilled certain requirements and may practice in a field. A stock certificate is a paper representing a share of stock in a corporation that has been purchased by its holder. A certificate of acknowledgment is the written statement by a Notary Public, Justice of the Peace, or other authorized officer that sets forth that a person or persons appeared before him or her on a particular date and declared an instrument to be their Voluntary Act and deed.

CERTAIN PURPOSES :D ....HAHAHAHA!!!!

Now, lets identify these "certain purposes " :D 1). Collateral over public debt ? 2). Brand spanking new CITIZEN ? 3). Brand spanking new TAXPAYER ?

What else ?

Never heard from these idiots, by the way :)

What an asshole I used to be. Now I'm just an ass.