Why not start of with the Horses mouth ? ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1YCvvSwIgM

Interesting....Admiralty A court exercising jurisdiction over maritime causes, both civil and criminal, and marine affairs, COMMERCE and NAVIGATION, controversies arising out of acts done upon or relating to the sea, and over questions of prize. Also, the system of jurisprudence relating to and growing out of the jurisdiction and practice of the admiralty courts. In English law. The executive department of state which presides over the naval forces of the kingdom. The normal head is the lord high admiral, but in practice the functions of the great office are discharged by several commissioners, of whom one is the chief, and is called the �First Lord.� He is assisted by other lords and by various secretaries. Also the court of the admiral. The building where the lords of the admiralty transact business. In American law. A tribunal exercising jurisdiction over all maritime contracts, torts, injuries, or offenses. 2 Pars. Mar. Law, 008; New England Marine Ins. Co. v. Dunham, 11 Wall. 1, 23, 20 L. Ed. 90; De Lovio v. Boit, 2 Call. 398, Fed. Cas. No. 3,77(5; The Belfast v. Boon. 7 Wall. 024, 19 L. Ed. 200; Ex parte Eastou, 95 U. S. 08, 72, 24 L. Ed. 373.

Scott Duncan: OK one last time. You cannot act in trust, because you are not WORTHY of the task. You are not CAPABLE, because you have a program that your entire identity is attached to, and as a result, you value the wrong things. This is a profound statement and something tells me it has much to do with your question related to MAN and ADMIRALTY, forget about the club rules here for a minute and let this sink in.... Than help me figure out what it really means!

I think this statement actually describes the borders if you will of Admiralty, Commerce and Trust.. ..its in a perfect sense "Aristotle at its best" keeping everything nice and tidy. I may be of topic here slightly But everything that moves these days is a vessel and statements like these are designed to help you navigate and clear the fog.. .

Trust Me me to ...I only stare at the one side of the coin "the one with the image" hope someone comes in here and expains the other with the numbers on it.

Ok, sorry, I didn't mean to post the thread and disappear for a day or 2... So how I see it is... Man is born... By registering the birth the state view us, in admiralty, as a vessel on the seas of commerce... They then give us a birth certificate... The birth certificate is a "Bill of Lading" showing our receipt of the Government's "cargo" i.e. The PERSON. So when we decide to use the Birth Cert, to engage with Government departments, they see that as a new vessel being docked in their harbor and we provide them with our "manifest". They then see that the "cargo" we are carrying (The PERSON) is in fact their cargo that we received and are now in possession of (In control of to use and give value to should we wish) So if we wish to use their cargo on the land while docked, they have certain terms & conditions (statutes) because they swore they would protect the natives of the land...I'd imagine that's what DC meant when he said "they're taxing US to protect us", or something to that effect... So we have every legal right to use their cargo but obviously there are T&C's... I'd imagine this is why receiving welfare is not a good thing to do... Once one receives welfare they are acting as usufructuary to the Government's property - The PERSON

operatin thru ur pps number is a no no

Oh I know that man, I'm just gettin' into the Admiralty side of things now... Wrapping my head around it will hopefully make everything else more understandable... I'd imagine a PPS/SIN could be referred to as a stock code... Once you use it it relates back to the Government's "cargo" on the "vessel"... "Oh you're wanting to bring our cargo inland I see... We'll have to issue a license for that Captain"... etc... :p

YOU are a YOU... ME is a ME......If you have to Operate through the PPS Number just do it...but understand its not YOU its GOVERNMENT PROPERTY held in TRUST for you....YOUR BODY is THE VESSEL, Your NAME is the FACT "CERTIFIED" that this vessels exist.........YOUR "PERSON" is the Security Vault for what YOU are transporting!

Their PERSON... They own it, we possess it...

Shit yes you right......its their "PERSON" like a security vault but you load this vault with VALUE....

State departments are harbors...

The PPS Number than is simply a Trust Account turning the tables putting you into the Trustee position as a GOVERNMENT AGENT ...well if you wish it to be so ;-P

if u dont want to be an agent do u hand it back or ?

The PERSON and PPS number will always exist... Even if they are never used... Dept. of Social Welfare told me that...

YUP.....What I have gathered so far in this group is that you have to always consider the three big ones here ADMIRALTY, TRUST and COMMERCE...know who you are within these three Jurisdictions and don't let CURRENCY pull into the shit ;-)

Just don't use it Mo Chara... As DC says, you may possess a license that authorises you to "drive" (transport their cargo = the PERSON) but they have to prove you were using it at any time... They offer cheaper insurance as a sweetener to get you to identify through it then... Oh such malarky!

i dont have any licenses and keep gettin me property stolen im sick of it and sick of court

You are a man, but once you drop anchor and start using their cargo you're in their jurisdiction... Gotta conjure up some laws to protect the natives from these seafaring strangers!

If you're getting your property stolen then they're just acting arbitrarily... They're liable and the courts are acting illegally aswell... Sure look at Suil's case...

Everyone here is pretty close! You're pretty close. Not WRONG, but not quite RIGHT, but close.

quote: SCOTT DUNCAN, SURETY=SIGNATURE=LIABLE BENEFICIARY=ENDORSEMENT=ACCEPTANCE Lawful holder in due course, sole BENEFICIARY who is surety again ;)

dont operate thru ur person

On a scale of 1-10 Scott? 10 being closest... :p Man is born... By registering the birth the state view us, in admiralty, as a vessel on the seas of commerce... They then give us a birth certificate... The birth certificate is a "Bill of Lading" showing our receipt of the Government's "cargo" i.e. The PERSON. So when we decide to use the Birth Cert, to engage with Government departments, they see that as a new vessel being docked in their harbor and we provide them with our "manifest". They then see that the "cargo" we are carrying (The PERSON) is in fact their cargo that we received and are now in possession of (In control of to use and give value to should we wish) So if we wish to use their cargo on the land while docked, they have certain terms & conditions (statutes) because they swore they would protect the natives of the land...I'd imagine that's what DC meant when he said "they're taxing US to protect us", or something to that effect... So we have every legal right to use their cargo but obviously there are T&C's... I'd imagine this is why receiving welfare is not a good thing to do... Once one receives welfare they are acting as usufructuary to the Government's property - The PERSON

They have a REGISTER GENERAL in IRELAND eamonn http://www.groireland.ie/

I eventually got a photocopy of the book that was filled out in the hospital... I have since been informed by Scott Duncan that it's not much use anyway... If we are the legal owners of the BC then we are considered to be the Captain of the Vessel or the vessel itself..., I'd imagine...

I am original from Germany tried to get my original BC but apparently they destroyed it...that's what they told me anyway now i got a copy from my live register...not much use

Check this out..shouldn't be Government offices be in front and than the subsection General Register but its the other way around! http://www.groireland.ie/ContactUs.htm

Well THE GOVERNMENT OF IRELAND itself is registered with a foreign corporation... Dun & Bradstreet... Who are they registered to I wonder... I'd imagine it all leads back to the Crown...

" "If people would like to post their brief description of how they see it and we can go from there I suppose? " " k,...I only care about Their rules after they have harmed me so that I may go after them for damages. Until then They are the ones that must prove their claim or it is of no force or effect. Adam Thomas, yess, Use it or lose it!

For me it's simply offer and acceptance, contracts being the law and chief concern of the public in regard to enforcement. In the private is were these contracts generally originate unless of course your unaware, then they will be made for you. So then it's a matter of your standing in relation to any issue on the basis of contract. And contract may be more than what we perceive it to really be...

Oh my God.. ...yes contract is the fourth pillar.. .Contract dictates Law you can have a "out of body experience" by studying a little bit CONTRACT, now we really got to be good navigators and swimmers because we left the beach .... Its the beating heart in the centre.. .

One might even dare say that today, contract is law - if you can hold it:-)

Eamonn O Brien, That's pretty much it in a nutshell. You aren't a PERSON, you HAVE a person. Just decide what you want to do with it. I trust the SHAREHOLDERS of ROGUESUPPORT INC., so I let the compant LIEN THE SHIT out of my name. :D Good guys, those rogue support folk! Smart too! ;)

Good to know I'm on the right thought process... In relation to registering property to the NAME... How does that equate to Admiralty... Wouldn't that change the birth certificate? Is attaching property the same as adding property?

"Property is mere TITLE". You are only a "tennant". You don't OWN it like other property. NOTHING you "register" is owned by you.

I was referring to my car in this instance...?

So when I purchase the car I own it by right... But when I register it I, as a tenant, possess the title to it...?

mmmm. I have to say here, this is what screws me up. 1) Dean says (has said in previous videos from long ago) that you can be the ADMINISTRATOR of the name (PERSON) But, if you did not create then you can not ADMINISTRATE 2)He also said blah blah "REGISTRATION" does not transfer property. But (from my thinking) why would you 'Register' something of yours with some one else. Just makes it more confusing. Also I'm having a bad week so that doesn't help

Registration creates a title... You own the physical property but once registered a title is created by government which they own the legal title to, and you retain the equitable title... equitable title. (17c) A title that indicates a beneficial interest in property and that gives the holder the right to acquire formal legal title legal title. (l7c) A title that evidences apparent ownership but does not necessarily signify full and complete title or a beneficial interest

Yeah split title and the dealer sends the manufactors certificate into the state...unless otherwise agreed...

is not 'Joinder' created at the same time also?

Joinder isn't a problem unless someone can rebutt your claim to beneficiary of the PERSON, pulled that out of my ass by the way... :p

m,the presumption from 'Their' point of view is always that you are the Trustee sry (Acting WITH the title of TRUSTEE) and it is up to you to Rebut.

Rebutt it with your BC... Your BC is evidence that you are legally entitled to give the PERSON value and benefit from it... Although, "He who accepts the benefit accepts the burden"...

You legally possess the BC... Without you it has no vessel or means to acquire value...

In the instance of a car, by registering you aren't automatically assuming role of trustee... You aren't benefiting from the PERSON. You are benefiting from your equitable title to the property...

'equitable title' ------is that your reciept for the purchase?

I don't think so. An actual receipt/bill of sale is proof of purchase... The registration card/document with the PERSON on it is evidence of your equitable title I think...

now the question would be "WHY" register it to begin with if you have the bill of sale to begin with?

"Oh but they'll arrest you if you don't" seems to be working pretty well for them...

ya, but I was speaking to the not required by Law to actually register any thing angle

Obviously for legal matters relating to the car, if it's stolen or damaged etc, you have to use the PERSON to bring anything before the court... So registering it can work for that... By using the person for an instance like that you aren't asking for a benefit from "THEM" only remedy from whoever damages you... Again, nothing I'm saying is 100% correct. Scott may verify...

You have equitable title. They have legal title. This would be a trust of sort. You are beneficiary, they administrator. Must have them to fill trustee position. It would be there duty because you pay for the service. Does that sound right? I also understand as sole beneficiary you can not be sole trustee. Of course this doesn't rule out you acting as A trustee.

This would be interesting in a court room enviroment with Scott acting as procecutor and judge

Or just as judge, I'd imagine the act of prosecuting wouldn't be far behind...:p

SOME GUY: SIR..is that YOUR SIGNATURE on this DOCUMENT? ME: SIGNATURE equals SURETY, LIABILITY is that correct? SOME GUY: Uhmm ???...yes SIR. ME: Ah..OK The PERSON you are looking for has its address at blah blah blah blah.......I am lawful holder sole Beneficiary of this PERSON. SOME GUY: AEHH??? SIR this address you gave me there is THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL PROTECTION... ME: Thats correct have a nice day.... I have a written confession that MY PERSON is PROPERTY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL PROTECTION at this ADRESS..I also have been invited to come and visit IT!

What document?

I edited it!

Since I have a Copy and this COPY has a LOGO LOGO=SURETY, well I can't be in two places at once can I?.....I made this conversation up but something like this will take place when TV license Inspector knocks on the door...... I don't think he will show up though....

Copy of Original Application form that is!

Where are you livin' James?

Why?

Just wonderin' if you're in Ireland too...Not many irish in the group that's all...

"I have a written confession that MY PERSON is PROPERTY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL PROTECTION at this ADRESS..I also have been invited to come and visit IT!" Whatya mean here?

Yup Ireland ......what I mean is what I mean.. ... Go on Monday to your DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL PROTECTION and ask for the original APP form for your PPS NUMBER. They wont give it to you.. .So write a letter under the freedom of information act you want the form back.. ...it will take time but you get a letter back confirming what I just said ...Stating that this FORM IS PROPERTY OF THE DPSP AND FOR SECURITY REASONS CANNOT BE RETURNED. ..but they invite you to go and visit it.. ...its in a vault.....hour are allowed to hold a copy request for one

We don't apply for one though... They're allocated upon birth registration...

Any doubts I recommend to get the legal defenition of PERSON and PUBLIC sorry can't post links with my Phone ..... CONTRACT CONSENT are important also.. ..

The only form they would have with my signature would be an application for welfare...

Oh shit you are born there I invaded from Germany.. .. somewhere has to be a record of some sort BC PPS register? ???

When we turn 16 they just send the card...

Someone makes the application find out who! Parents would be my guess this is a interesting question for A letter under the FOIA

Ha ha I never got a card at all...

This puts you in a greater position you didn't sign anything.. ...I had to.. . :(

This is a reply from the Dept. when I asked about it... Dear Mr O Brien Thank you for your email you would have automatically been allocated a pps number once you were born in Ireland, you would not have completed an application form therefore nothing would be on file Should you have any queries please don't hesitate to contact me Regards Majella O Shea Client Identity Services Dept of Social Protection Shannon Lodge Carrick on Shannon Co Leitrim

Could you just for the sake of fun try and ask for it I am intruiged what answers they give you

That was back in June last year

To late had had had.. ..?????? Nothing on file?? ?? What your account dont exist

I think I asked about whether or not I submitted a signed form requesting a PPS number... They said no, they're allocated therefore there is no form on file... It's up to us then if we want to use it...

? I am confused now. ...who sends the card? They almost certainly have something there.

You would not but someone did.. He did it for YOU so you can go and have copy.. ..dude this is fucking gold go and get it ...my god prime evidence with SURETY...

The department issues the cards... It says on the back of them "This card remains property of the department of family and social protection"... So it's obviously issued by them...

I must go in and ask them yeh... It would do no harm I suppose... The DFSP must create the PERSON. Once registered with the GRO they must alert the DFSP and they then create the entity... They then issue the card and we then use it for whatever....

I still have to battle the signature thing because i signed this fucking thing, you on the other hand are in ADMIRALTY

It was created in behalf of you, you are beneficiary its your privileg to have a copy

A copy of what though?

Wrote FOIA Letters or emails dont bother to go in.. they wont understand you its like going to a hardware store and the merchant is trying to sell you fish..

The original register or form from which your PPS number was created from.. ...

I'll request a copy of the paperwork that was completed in order to create the entity EAMON O BRIEN, PPS NO. - XXXXXXXX

I'll see what I get back...

Ok step by step.. GRO to DPSP TO DFSP. ..WHAT IS THE GRO SENDING TO THE DPSP? LBR??? WHAT IS THE DPSP SENDING TO THE DFSP? ?? NO IDEA.. ..WHAT IS DFSP SENDING TO YOU? ? TRUSTEES ACCOUNT. .

I am working on another one my self later fascinating i really love this group.. ...you think i am kind of fuckt because i signed the forms.. .?

No I doubt it. You only asked for a legal entity to engage with state departments... It's up to you to contract through the entity as you wish... As DC says, you may have a driving license but were you using it at the time?

What's DPSP? Dept Social Protection?