...blah..blah...blah "by me to the best of my skill and ability." wtf

Paragraph 10 should read, "...In short, Dean knows better."... Apologies.

not in shorthand?

It's a "Story"

I Preside over hearings. They say WHAT THE FUCKING HEARING is, not "Court is open"

It does Not sound like dean. I did not see any signature's?

All of his (inaudible) rights? What are those?

I don't think I've heard Dean refer to himself as creditor before... I am just going on what I have heard and seen online, and the language used by MR.CLIFFORD does not sound like the way Dean speaks.

poor grammar on the part of the Ms Moorthy unless it was the transcriptionist...what strikes me as interesting is more what is missing as opposed to what is there....I would have expected Dean to be alot more vocal, so much of the convo is just between the judge and prosecutor

MR.CLIFFORD "speaks" more on page 16-17 ++ Interesting story.

"THE COURT" is speaking in a VERY casual tone as well..."yeah"..."sure"...does this sound like appropriate language??

I see that, I was thinking early on...rather then letting them do their "housekeeping" talk.I would have though he would at least try to make his points after his apology..rather then listening to them go on and on...but I can't say I'm all that familiar with court proceedings

Wondering out loud..."Why was this not a PDF?"

Dean keeps saying "facts" and I clearly remember him always demanding "evidence"

bugger, I put all my responses on DeansFB page sry

Brilliant, Beverly May Braaksma.

Yah, that stuck out right away, plus when does the court reply with, "yeah"?? They always ask you say "Yes" or "No", not "yeah"... what's that about?

mmhhh....funny and boring at the same time...lol..Why nowhere ist written I RECOGNIZE AND ACCEPT OATH OF OFFICE OF EVERYONE THAT HAVE AN OATH OF OFFICE IN HERE...

Not much questionning from Dean...???....microphone problems....what about the AS-KING stuff.....and what about the WHO ARE YOU stuff......where is the surety..???..lol...

Monty Python script... When's the next show??

I cant see no Aquilae Trust in these 29 pages....

Why he just DONT participate in that shit....

* More after conference call*

What exactly is an INFORMATION SHEET?.. the police-report, listing who the Complainant/Victim is...?

I cant keep my brain from searching the rat...if you smell a rat, there must be a rat somewhere....I can not imagine a rat in the.....no way...forget about it....

If rats there mean the same as rats here...I hate rats then...

It has the ring of a cbc Docu Drama. A bad one. The arguments sound contrived. Fail.

Fiction writer talk for informations? Derek Moran

long conference call....Have you found the RAT ?????...:)

INCOMING CLUSTERFUCK! http://mail.cdd.com/clusterfuck001.mp3

Oh, and Darren is a cop. http://mail.cdd.com/darren-is-a-cop.mp3

Dean's room mate?

The same

fuk me..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmmm, I will reserve my thought. I'm still downloading the mp3s.

Mp3's loading and WTF?

Wow, Darren's a lil worried about it being public... hmmmmm

so all the affidavits anyone bothered to do were never served? Nice goin...

NEVER mess with me. Have sex with me, but do not try to FUCK ME!

Where is Dean's Brother..???

Jail ????

Captured, for sure.

That's fucked. How long have Dean and Darren known each other?

About one year.

Undercovers do an "Identity" for up to 5 years.

I think I damaged this one ;)

That is solid & serious stuff....it dosent seems funny

Yeah, you definitely tripped him up. The inflection in his voice changes when you start pushing him...

So...this whole story about Sobey's is pure Bullshit ??? They just nabbed him and spun this for us ???

Yes

It is ALL fiction.

Looks like Dean and his Brother have been outright kidnapped then.

That is the current THEORY (This is NOT Hypothesis!) Please try to refute it. I WANT IT PEER REVIEWED!

Scott, how can we �you, get him outta there now, this is getting ridiculous...

did Martin or anyone have seen Dean so far LIVE ?????

I cant. :( TRUSTS ONLY RECEIVE! HE has to call for ME.

are there any trustworthy people you know actually in Winnipeg?

I would accept a directly injured party (Wife, Mother, Brother, even child would do. Someone with DIRECT STANDING)

Good point.. you think Dean's brother would have popped-up somewhere doing a video with Robert Menard, or doing the radio-show with Tony Butros, but thats right..he hasnt been heard from as far as i can recall

It's irrelevant. I can do NOTHING until COMMANDED to by SOMEBODY WITH STANDING.

But you know that someone in your TRUST has been violated. Let's say they did something do him that render him incapable of communicating... the TRUST still can not do anything?

did Martin or anyone have seen Dean so far LIVE ?????

Yes Derek, those are the ONLY KIND OF POINTS I have. It's not a surprise anymore :P

Why wouldn't Dean just contact you....does he still think the people he's talking to are legit ??

:P

I guess so, eh ?

One rat = lots of rats...mathematics

did Martin or anyone have seen Dean so far LIVE ?????

Who is the 'Mike' being referred to in the recording as part of Dean's "Dream Team"...?

Well what about contacting Dean's parents and filling them in ?? There's GOT to be more family ?

impossible 1 rat alone ????....Scott please your point on this

ok again please did Martin or anyone have seen Dean so far LIVE ?????

I know no such thing. TRUST law does not WORK that way.

Thought Dean had a girlfriend?

Dean's Bro has a wife does he not ? She'd know if Darren's been busted ? There's GOT to be family ?

Darren's in Okotoks....right ?

She doesn't want anything to do with him/this. She cares about Dean, but she's also been threatened with rape by cops... So there's THAT.

WHO SAW DEAN LIVE THESE PAST 2WEEKS ???????????????????

411.ca winnipeg Clifford start calling?

Oh...Fuck.

His brother is in Okotokes region in alberta

no one can answer this question....who saw Dean LIVE...

That was his voice the other day Recorded

Yes, but he did not acknowledge ME? REALLY?

Scott, you don't have standing? Even as a trustee? Would that not be a zone of interest?

Dean's certainly alive as of the other day....and there has to be record of him....it's just that the "team" that's been supposedly representing this to us is Bogus....right ??

When Darren said "Dean Clifford thinks Scott Duncan is a nutbar" the COP thing IS confirmed. Andrew Langevin attended. Dean's ratification was in a COURTROOM (with transcripts and shit).

ok....how many rats please....who saw DEAN LIVE in THERE...

I didn't catch the Nutbar thing.

That is what Darren is telling people.

yah, I didn't hear that...

ok...I give up....goodnigth every one...

Nobody except Chris

Martin didn't even see him

WHO'S CHRIS..????

https://www.facebook.com/christopher.sosnowski.5

oh....nice picture....

Darren wasn't even "evolved" enough to record that with his likely fully recordable phone at the time, which I wondered about in the first place... if my friend was being hassled, and I was obviously knowledgeable as I am (to even hang out with Dean) to NOT record the fiasco?

Any suspicions on Chris?

See? If a chick gets it, why not Darren?

Any suspicions on Chris?...Yes...ME !!!!

one rat is an impossible thing to happen

especially if you SMELL them

I am ALWAYS suspicious of adults with imaginary friends. Their character is as empty as a born-again Christian's smile.

Isn't there someone trustworthy from the Freemanitoba crew who could maybe do some legwork......possibly get in touch with Dean...maybe a visit ?

You cant smell ONLy one of these....

The would have done it by now.

Impossible Tom....

I hope the scenario that comes to my mind is wwwrrrrooonnnggggggg

nuff with the "even a chick gets it" bit... so his girlfriend will not even do anything to help? Even call someone?

"Toss the motion" = COP TALK. LOOK FOR THE COP TALK

Right, "Darren" is Dean's only witness here too right?

THIS IS A COP

IT'S ALL FRAUD

yah, never even bothered to pull out his phone and record the "fiasco", it all started with conflab, then assault? but someone sitting in said truck could not pull out his phone and record on behalf of his "friend"... what didn't think of it?

How long have you known Dean?

Since he came to me for ratification. Over a year ago.

HE CAME TO ME

bait?

Has Dean ever talked about his parents ? Are they still alive ?

Joel Kinmond, please don't: Talk out of your ass or with ONE WORD QUESTIONS! Construct your question so you DON'T sound like an autistic 12 year old.

please forgive me

Yes, you know I have to... but that shit gets old fast. :P

Someone need to see him live...thats the ONLY solution to defuk all this mess

When is it 'Writ-and-Praecipe' time..or does Dean have to reach-out to you for that?

Derek Moran you should write to this guy again saying you need to see Dean Clifford

I don't get to. I might be able to train Martin up to play "king" for a day. I don't own him. He can Play KING with my blessing. I endorse Martin's Sovereign Status...if he gets through weekend boot camp. ;)

Yeah, I am sorry. I won't do it again. I was just reflecting on the fact that NOBODY here seems to really know who Dean or ANYONE for that matter REALLY is. All relationships are a year or less. And the possibility that the FEDS are after a much bigger more threatening type of fish. Again I may be WAY off. But this is nuts

Dean does not VALUE Friendship. This is why the likes of Darren can"nest" around him. He doesn't care.

But he DOES care and VALUE his BROTHER...who's gone

Agent PROVACETEOUR. They're trying to put every 1 offside & cause confusion & paranoia. I had something real similiar happen to me 10 year ago dealing with the highesr level Vic police FORCE corruption. Dont take the bait. Oh wait a min....Scott, you're waaaayyy toooo intelligent for these muppets man. They're lame ducks.

yeah...hopefuly Martin wont hide with the rats...but you seem to have good smelling Scott Duncan

I'll drink to THAT, Adam!

'Weekend Bootcamp with Martin?'..oh fuck that, if he's in so AM I!

#1 RULE OF THE UNIVERSE: NEVER DOUBT SCOTT. SCOTT IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

I'll keep your concentration camp while you do that

How famous is Dean around the world? The FREETARD movement will be shitting their britches knowing whats happening to Dean. Mass confusion, slander & mayhem

Martin Sutton KNOWS Tara and I. He's a Christian, but he has CHARACTER (I know, right?) and he steps up when it's the RIGHT THING TO DO. If HE is going to be CHRIST-LIKE... well that shit stand's on MY side. :P

:(

Martin Sutton seem like a decent guy.

Me too Tom Davies ????

and you too Tom Davies

His DEEDS speak for him.

Martin Sutton has stood in my home. NONE of you have. Think about that.

Maybe thats why he hate you that much..???...:)

I never take the stuff people say in their sleep seriously.

I wasnt slagging Martin in the least..i just wouldnt mind taking notes while you teach HIM about Praecipe

Well it's getting late guys. What can a BC boy do to help out ? All I have is a computer and maybe a phone card tomorrow ? Can I call anyone....stir some shit in some way ?

Someone other than a rat need to see him LIVE....that should be the focus now

Well it's VERY quiet on Dean Clifford's page...

nothing is moving there

even not a cat

Pierre Daoust, you ARE correct. I'd trust Martin Sutton to do it. Nobody else outside of AQUILAE.

Great...!!!...hopefuly no rats are hidden in Aquilae...!!!!

Hey Scott...I really gotta crash. Is there anything I can do in the way of phone calls or computerstuff ?

I'm of zero funds :(

AG of Manitoba's email: minjus@leg.gov.mb.ca <minjus@leg.gov.mb.ca>;

OK...Goodnight Gents. Thanks for the info. Scott. Yeah you're decent too Pierre. :)

so, would not his "roommate" not have standing? being that the rent is due and has interest whether or not he has a roommate anymore? Nobody to share said rent with?

I dont wanna be decent.....decent is for fifi

This legal side of this situation is way over my head, BUT, logic shows that this does not stack up. Like Beverly May Braaksma said, there must be someone that Dean has some obligation to, to be able to demand firsthand evidence other than some of the updates of 'Dean is eating bananas & drinking mineral water & in good spirits'...that sounds like stuff Nana tells the grandkids when Grandad is ready to drop off his perch in hospital...no offence to those with good intent posting, but it all seems a bit 'fluffy' from the outside looking in.

on a scale of 10, how Dean was disturbing to RCMP..????

well someone with "standing" is someone with INTEREST, family, g/f, business partner, someone who can apply personal injury, ie. roommate who might not know how the other portion of the rent is being paid? POSSIBLY?

Reminds me of x-files last episode when hero was locked up in solitaire and sleep deprived and mentally tortured..... Louis Reil week too. We can't suspect everyone because of 1 well placed mole.

This question is crucial....on a scale of 10, how Dean was disturbing to RCMP..????

Well Jason, this is not tv...

Are the Clifford Clan under enemy fire? It just reeks of shit

Beverly, I was more focused on the techniques of breaking down ones resistance by underhanded means. A possible missing brother and the moral cracking of people. I get the seriousness of situation. Did not intend to sound flippant.

Whats Sir Mika think ??

not taken that way at all Jason, I see an example made here in many different ways, the example of Dean, just being one example of being his own authority to his legal right, the other example of what the RCMP are trying to prove to all that are becoming AWARE OF the fraud, another example of crap cause his own roommate is lacking to stand, the example of Dean's brother suddenly on a "vacation"

I just don't see tv as "real"

This is clearly fucked up..... I remeber Andrew Langevin had a Interview posted on his page I wonder if this whole thing is more than just RMCP exorsting recources.....

Long shot here... Would someone with the same family name have standing? Another man/woman called Clifford? Even if they didn't know him? They might claim they wanted to arrange to meet him to work on a family tree? A very long shot...

Exhausting.....

My previous post sounds quite ridiculous to be honest....

True or False: As of now no trustworthy person has had verbal or personal contact with either of the Clifford brothers since Dean was "arrested".

Scott Duncan the link you gave me for Chris Sosnowski does not work no more....it close my FB when I click on it....

I found the the other link .....http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-canadian-freemen-hate-laws-but-are-they-dangerous

I've noticed several things. I already posted on Deans page. 1)99% of conversation on Deans page is with 'general' people about 'general' stuff. 1% about law.

2) Here, 99% law by people who, (according to the Law dictionaries) regarding the law. and 1% 'general' stuff by 'general' people. I want to be here 99% of the time and at Deans page 1% of the time. I am here to learn. Thank you everyone for posting and Scott for being the "Fuck You Person" to get the point across.

3) I haven't seen ANY posts from said inner circle on Deans page. Kinda like the students 'Learning' while the teacher is out of the room. We know where that goes.

Monty, check out the scott land currency thread. Before you sail :)

Cunt and cash...

Well I saw the "C" word and it grabbed my attention Pierre. If you have either please hook me up, eh ?

I found this when brossing about: Public servant refusing to deliver property Criminial Code Section 337. Every one who, being or having been employed in the service of Her Majesty in right of Canada or a province, or in the service of a municipality, and entrusted by virtue of that employment with the receipt, custody, management or control of anything, refuses or fails to deliver it to a person who is authorized to demand it and does demand it is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years. Since DEAN is property of the AQUILAE would this be an avenue for his release?

I would say more a highway than an avenue but he is in good spirit apparently there....

Apparently yeah.... anything SOLID yet?

Are some of you people on crack !!! this is a transcript , not all the pages are here and for $60 you wont get them all ....it costs around $500 for a transcript ! Martian did get a deal ... there should be 38 there are only 27...this was not a Court case this was setting dates for the hearing ...and not thinking this is Dean is absurd ...Dean would be sitting in that court room with chains on ...he has to watch his Ps and Qs ..Dean did say the things he wanted just to get it on record before the trial ...if you have never been in Deans position it is not easy ...and I don't care how much you know about the law and what is really going on ..what is happening to Dean is no different that others that would have a criminal charge brought against them.

So he just HAPPENS to say the EXACT things as was said at his Brother's last kidnapping? Really Fiona? If I'm saying it's not dean...IT'S NOT DEAN. If I say this is "cut and paste" IT IS. All you need to do is figure out WHY I know these things to be true. Telling me "I'm on crack" is, in fact NOT the correct answer. Try again.

LMAO ;)

You're right about the missing pages Fiona....how about the one that has the file number on it ? It's OK though Darren is going to do what is right and record Dean properly for us. Dean will tell us where he is, the charges, the file number and will contact Scott after this too. Then everything will be clarified....make sense ?

That's what my CSIS manual says to do. :)

Where is Deans brother ?

I wrote that YEARS ago. Get the 46th edition. CSIS only give out the 2nd edition. They can't afford the new ones. I upped the prices a bit.

Im looking more forward to the next conference-call than i was the- 'Who Shot J.R.?' episode..

Where indeed? Darren the Cop dropped the ball on that one when he lied about talking to him. His brother's number was out of service the day Dean Clifford was arrested. I know. I TRIED TO CONTACT ANYBODY with standing.

So Scott..If this is not Deans transcript ..and he is not in jail ...where would he be ??

CIA Laboratory ???

Question, Scott- which carries more WEIGHT in court if you have to defend yourself, Case-Law.. or using Maxims-of-Law?

He's in Jail. They are going to send him on a "ghost run"

Maxims.

Meaning ?

What is a ghost run ?

Wow this is bad ?

*sigh* PRISONERS = MONEY Cases they intend to drag out because they are a problem, are fuelled by "ghost runs". Every 3 or 4 days, he will be packed up and transported to every back-woods shithole that has a county jail. That jail gets 3 days of funding, and it's off to the next one.

Ya I understand that now that happened to some people I know.

It's OK though....Darren will make sure he has bananas and update you all...lol.

What about Deans sis ?

The case and any securities it passes may be fraud. It doesn't matter, the transactions at the jail are complete! Counterfeit Money has the same value, as it's real counterpart...until it's detected! The problem is, that it passed through HUNDREDS of transactions before it was detected! If you bought cigarettes with a fake $10 bill that you did not detect as fake, you are not going to cough up a $10 bill to some banker you've never met, just because you MAY have used a fake bill.

All of them "not in service"

Well I know there are a lot of mind like people sitting in here ...and can not get out... the min they talk about Law ...they get ejected and thrown into a room ...http://www.bcmhas.ca/ForensicService/ForensicHospital/default.htm

I know what they can do and what they are doing !!

So... do you still think Scott Duncan is on crack?

Not certain ;)

I'd say Meth :P

Yes. I sense that it will be a while before these things STOP sounding "crazy". I just have to wait. It requires so little effort.

When all doubt is gone, only then will you be able to help.

No Scott's on da herb mon

No Scott I know you are totally aware of what is happening out there ...and your knowledge is impeccable !!!!

When do we release the hounds?

We don't. We have a bunch of stupid mutts who were POSING as hounds. :P Oh, you were'nt talking about ME, were you? I can't DO anything

...and all of you are too stupid to do the things that would ALLOW me to DO something.

Dean's bro ??? or that other one ?

Tom who are you referring to myself or Scott ?

Sorry ...you Fiona.

Will this work? To Scott Duncan, I am a facebook friend of Dean Clifford. Over the past few months I have learned a lot from Dean, he has been of great VALUE to me because of the things he has indirectly taught me. I am also led to believe that he has been kidnapped, possibly through some sort of "sting" operation. It has come to my attention that Dean is part of a TRUST administered by you. It is my understanding that you need to be asked to DO something to help Dean. I would like to ask you to do everything in your power to help Dean. From a very concerned friend, signed Joel Kinmond.

"That jail gets 3 days of funding,"..... any chance that FUNDING is being funded by Dean's birth-certificate?

Someone totally diffident Tom .

NO. The name will go on the public record, like a surety for bail...and your address, and your birthdate...everything needed to clean you out.

The very same, Derek.

Did Dean ever do a PPSA-lien on DEAN CLIFFORD?

Oh yes. They KNOW they are generating a junk bond. They just have to keep it in MOTION.

MOTION! EVERYBODY GET THAT? ...idiots.

OK Fiona. For the record....I won't trust a fucking thing about that Darren (Drinkwater) guy until he does what is expected of him. He won't though...he's already stated he's "Fed Up" and won't be updating us anymore.......pffft.

Crock of Shit !

Its called- 'feigning'.. ;)

OH, the cop is "fed up" all of a sudden. What a shock.

Yeap. On the bright side though....I've been promoted to a CSIS agent though. I hope it pays well. :)

Uhhh yeah, so- that PPSA site..to do a lien, the two boxes id have to concern myself with are the INDIVIDUAL DEBTOR#1 box = DEREK MORAN, and, SECURED PARTY #1 box = Derek Moran ?

Why, again?

To what end?

..actually - you suggested i do it the other night strongly

Welcome aboard Tom! Here's your CSIS manual (Second edition)!

Yes, if you understand WHY

Thank you. I'm honoured.

..Estoppel the Government from being the one making funds from out of it?..AND..im claiming the PERSON as MY property now i.e. Transporting vs, Commerce

"Because Scott Duncan says so", MAY WORK but that only works when you have access to Scott Duncan. I assure you, that will be very difficult soon. WHY YOU? Do you not have a corporation you trust, because you own every fucking share and you can direct it to do any legal/lawful thing without you EVER being liable.

Making yourself your own creditor only works if you walk into commerce with VALUE. You don't have any.

Scott Duncan. No reference to you. Should one petition you as a concerned natural person for assistance on the kidnapping and unlawful confinement of Dean Christopher of the family Clifford currently held unlawfully in the province of manitoba?

I tried to a few minutes ago...

What am I "recieving" that commerce cannot cover? You don't even have the right to SPEAK from TRUST LAW jurisdiction, until all other remedies are exhausted.

Yes, you did mention that- setting up a corporation.."Even a chick can do it," i believe

"until all other remedies are exhausted"..... NOTICES?

*Bill Clinton to Scott and Tara* "What, exactly is, the definition, of all other remedies exhausted.....?" :)

First THIS must run its course. THEN APPEALS must run their course. ONLY THEN can you enter TRUST LAW

On the first call of last week, Scott Duncan stated " I can get him out tomorrow all that needs to happen is someone to petition me for assistance." Has something changed? The transcript from the kangaroo court... Event if suspect stated he side not consent. What is one missing? Proper Standing. I certainly know I am not qualified in knowledge.

Listen to the Call. As you listen, ask yourself "How would an undercobver cop act in this situation"? The best part about this, is that NOTHING CHANGES. It SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME! No Belief required!

Creepy TRANSCRIPTS for MY case. http://youtu.be/zss_Fim_s3Q

I will once again with that in mind. What ones requires is some clarity. What is proper as mentioned in above post?

Tara described life up to the day we were removed from our home at gunpoint. http://mtcc983.ca

So I take it Scott, that from your post above that our ACCESS to ye won't be for much longer. You're next I take it? I really do hope that's not the case. God those fuckers are fuckers!!!

I am most definately "on the short list"

Wow....

In regards to listening to mp3's with that in mind: His timing is impeccable. Just when you get down to what needs to happen he deflects. The Docs: what about the Queen's representative Lieutenant Governor General for Province or The Governor General of Canada for gross miscarriage of Justice? In Harms way in a lawless land to facilitate and take steps to hold to them to account? The Vid: Great evidence.

So...ya. Not just me thinking that.

The corner is getting small....

and have the provomarshall's number on speed dail.

How long do you have to Appeal this on your home Scott

May I Share on my wall?

SHARING IS YOUR RIGHT here.

You may PRESUME I intend you to share.

Cool.

That's whay these groups exist... Or did I get that wrong?

Nope... It was a respect thing, Honor was involved.

Oh fiona. You just don't get it do you?

Yes Scott , I think I do get it , you did not consent , and you did not go to the Court Case ? ... what they did was fraud... now you can still appeal , you can still take this to Court and get your home back ...or the equity which is 100% yours....

Sooo, appeal to the VERY SAME people who committed fraud. Ok... Interesting. Let's expand and see if we can help societies vulnerable using your interesting technique... Rapists, needn't be JAILED, they could be RAPE COUNSELLORS! The'd probably bring real value, and help rape victims see things from "both sides". Really?

I am un certain how long you have to appeal the same . I know its 52 days after the Judges order ...but as I understand it you can still file to regain the equity ?

WHO am I appealing to again?

I got lost. your insight dazzled me.

Those rape counsellors probably won't ask for much pay...

I just posted on my wall. Scott Duncan have a look.

Still waiting on WHO I'm appealing to, Fiona Munro

*jeopardy music*

Who was the Judge that made the order for them them to take your equity from your hard earned labor...! bond the court and go have your say ....collect what is due to to you...

So... I do this by following the yellow brick road to the wizzard...