THIS GROUP IS CALLED THE TENDER FOR LAW FOR A REASON!

SURETY is for MONEY

WHERE IS THE FUKIN SURETY...??????????????????????....I still have this freaking $20 dollar bill in front of me, right beside my birth certificate....

Is your signature on any of those instruments?

NON

Are you lawfully entitled to them?

no Im LEGALLY entitled to them

And lawfully. You didn't steal them, did you?

Lawfully they're not mine....

You lawfully POSSESS them.

yes

I have them in my pocket

dont tell me this whole thing is a fraud

Well if you have not signed it, you are only the BENEFICIARY, and therefore NOT surety.

yes....where is the surety please...????

Why do you want surety?

I want to know WHERE it is....

I dont want it...

BANKERS ????

DEBT ????

I'm going to start a thread here: PIERRE WRITES SCOTT A CHEQUE...watch for it.

Beverly May Braaksma If the govt made a "legal" tender(much like decriminalizing something, how stuff becomes legal?) to be trade, it is created by them. Same as your legal name, created by them, then becomes the surety. They create something and it becomes liable. In that case, all debt on the surety (your legal name created by them) is payable by their surety (created by them) 15 hours ago � Like

Where is the surety that makes me bound to your corporate rules?

Surety = contact

Sorry...contract

Surety = liability = creator

On a bank note over here the governors signature is in the note so isn't he the surety?

Only PROMISSORY NOTES need surety. Bank notes are NOT Promissory notes.

oh crap... "we" are surety for money... gross

You are only BENEFICIARY of a bank note.

that's where borrowing with interest comes into play... didn't know that's what a "legal tender" meant... literally

Cash up front or pay with your cunt, is the company motto of rogue support. Cash and Cunts... we take them both. We LIKE them both. WHY?

THIS NOTE IS A TENDER FOR LAW

It says so.

Now the difference between MONEY OF ACCOUNT and MONEY OF EXCHANGE... Why hasn't the combination of natural selection and bankers killed all of you off? seriously, NOBODY KNOWS THIS?

MONEY OF EXCHANGE = GOOD MONEY OF ACCOUNT = BAD Can't dumb it down any further...it hurts too much already!

Money of account is bad because it doesn't exist amongst other things , money of exchange is tangible (paper coinage) and physically circulates.

ACCOUNTING ONLY exists ON LAND. There is NO ACCOUNTING IN ADMIRALTY, which is why they need a JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL (Judge who is an advocate for accounting (GENERAL, as in GENERAL LEDGER)).

Notice the military terms start to appear in ACCOUNTING. No NAVAL terms (Strange?).

POP QUIZ! ADMIRAL (navy) GENERAL (Army) Which one is the higher rank?

money of account is debt

ALL money is debt.

Money of EXCHANGE is just DEBT IN TRANSIT.

General is Higher, all fiat currency is war scrip.

Based on what?

You think an Admiral will obey a general because of some currency crap you pulled out of your ass? :P

All countries operating with BIS are under military rule.

Maximus fails. F-

SAME RANK, DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS!

Why is there a ROYAL NAVY, but no ROYAL ARMY?

LOOK FOR THE LEGAL definition of ADMIRAL and GENERAL. They DON'T mean what you THINK they mean, and there are NO HOMONYMS IN LAW.

Uneducated guess is that the Navy belongs to protect the Monarchs interests and the Army to defend the people.

admiral is above the land

Well this is ADMIRALTY LAW (Duuuh).

Still waitin' on the LEGAL definitions of: ADMIRAL (navy) GENERAL (Army) The LEGAL definition.

NATO

Admiral: the rules governing contracts General: auditing the disbursement of funds

Admiral= A high officer or Magistrate. General= Principal officer in the army usually one who commands a whole army. Breakfast time, catch up later.

turns into military law...

LEGAL DEFINITION! Not definitions pulled off google/out of your asses! Fuck! You have law books, USE THEM!

ADMIRALTY. The name of a jurisdiction which takes cognizance of suits or actions which arise in consequence of acts done upon or relating to the sea; or, in other words, of all transactions and proceedings relative to commerce and navigation, and to damages or injuries upon the sea. 2 Gall. R. 468. In the great maritime nations of Europe, the term "admiralty jurisdiction," is, uniformly applied to courts exercising jurisdiction over maritime contracts and concerns. It is as familiarly known among the jurists of Scotland, France, Holland and Spain, as of England, and applied to their own courts, possessing substantially the same jurisdiction as the English Admiralty had in the reign of Edward III. Ibid., and the authorities there cited; and see, also, Bac. Ab. Court of Admiralty; Merl. Repert. h.t. Encyclopedie, h.t.; 1 Dall. 323. 2. The Constitution of the United States has delegated to the courts of the national government cognizance "of all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;" and the act of September 24, 1789, ch. 20 s. 9, has given the district court" cognizance of all civil causes of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction," including all seizures under laws of imposts, navigation or trade of the United States, where the seizures are made on waters navigable from the sea, by vessels of ten or more tons burden, within their respective districts, as well as upon the high seas. 3. It is not within the plan of this work to enlarge upon this subject.

General: AFFIRMANCE-DAY, GENERAL. In the English Court of Exchequer, is a day appointed by the judges of the common pleas, and barons of the exchequer, to be held a few days after the beginning of every term for the general affirmance or reversal of judgments. 2 Tidd. 1091. DAMAGES, GENERAL, torts. General damages are such as the law implies to have accrued from the act of a tort-feasor. To call a man a thief, or commit an assault and battery upon his person, are examples of this kind. In the first case the law presumes that calling a man a thief must be injurious to him, with showing that it is so. Sir W. Jones, 196; 1 Saund. 243, b. n. 5; and in the latter case, the law implies that his person has been more or less deteriorated, and that the injured party is not required to specify what injury he has sustained, nor to prove it. Ham. N. P. 40; 1 Chit. Pl. 386; 2 L.R. 76; 4 Bouv. Inst. n. 3584. GENERAL. This word has several meanings, namely: 1. A principal officer, particularly in the army. 2. Something opposed to special; as, a general verdict, the general issue, which expressions are used in contradistinction to special verdict, special issue. 3. Principal, as the general post office. 4. Not select, as a general ship. (q. v.) 5. Not particular, as a general custom. 6. Not limited, as general jurisdiction. 7. This word is sometimes annexed or prefixed to other words to express or limit the extent of their signification; as Attorney General, Solicitor General, the General Assembly, &c. HEIR, GENERAL. Heir at common in the English law. The heir at common law is he who, after his father or ancestor's death has a right to, and is introduced into all his lands, tenements and hereditaments. He must be of the whole blood, not a bastard, alien, &c. Bac. Abr. Heir, B 2; Coparceners; Descent. A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Im always very intelligent on Valentine's day....never could figure out WHY ?????

THANK you Pierre Daoust! Dumbed down: LAW FROM SEA ACCOUNTING FROM LAND GENERAL LEGER? ATTORNEY GENERAL? GET IT? THERE ARE NO HOMONYMS IN LAW! GENERAL IS A LEGAL TERM JUST LIKE ADMIRAL!

make me think....Should I buy a boat and sell my house ????

Accounting from land..??....the way I figure this out, when I go to court, everyone EXCEPT ME get paid from the surety.....why not me ????.....should I ask to be paid ???

...for the same reason someone from France can't walk into your house and get paid. You are from a FOREIGN jurisdiction.

CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORITY certificate of authority. 1. A document authenticating a notarized document that is being sent to another juris-diction. � The certificate assures the out-of-state or foreign recipient that the notary public has a valid commission. � Also termed certificate of capacity; certificate of official character; certificate of authentication; certificate of prothonotary; certificate of magistracy; apostille; verification. 2. A document issued by a state agency, usu. the secretary of state, granting an out-of-state corporation the right to do business in the state. [Cases: Corporations 648. C.J.S. Corporations � 903.]

that's why you liened the shit outta it

SEE EVERYONE? SO SIMPLE A CHICK CAN UNDERSTAND!

So far I see my life birth registration or/and my birth certificate being certified as authority....lol...

is this: CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORITY can fix this: for the same reason someone from France can't walk into your house and get paid. You are from a FOREIGN jurisdiction. ?????

You are imported

Im imported from where ??????....sorry Im having a hard time with this one...lol...

Let me explane Beverly, Quebec Revenu Agency wants 45k from my PERSON, and this last since January 2010, I�ve managed to took care of my PERSON with this shit so far�.I spent 300 hours so far to protect my PERSON from these thieft�.All of those has been paid for doing this and I suspect they�ve took the $$ off of my PERSON�S surty�..I want to get paid as well, I want to collect from my PERSON�S surety�all of this crap is only BUSINESS, and I don�t want to work for nothing�.

Who does your Legal Person belong to?

government

right, so who is liable for that name?

government

So I only tell them I'm the beneficiary and fix your stuff.??....and if there's any $$ left cut me a check ??

They are after year 2006-07-08, I sent them a notice stating I havent worked for them these years....so their income tax act does not apply to my PERSON, they dont answer so far on that notice....I asked them for a complete statment account on my PERSON since the day they presume I work for them...I asked who hired me, when and what I've done to deserve the title....no answers....

Pierre- "Dear CRA, Please provide for me Full-Disclosure on the proper way to fill-out the bill-payment-remittance for proper presentment-and-acceptance for the discharge-of-the-debt claimed to be owed."

Who are all your utility bills made out to?

the PERSON

Well there you go... no answers...

Pierre, never forget this from the Bills of Exchange Act: PART I GENERAL Thing done in good faith 3. A thing is deemed to be done in good faith, within the meaning of this Act, where it is in fact done honestly, whether it is done negligently or not.

Derek Moran, I always say at the end of EVERY communication with them: WITH RESPECT, HONOR, DIGNITY AND INTEGRITY......and I mean it at 100%...

Whatever they are seeking from you they will x23 and turn into credit for themselves(the Capital Adequacy Requirement..Fractional Reserve Rate in the states)

So Beverly- you're saying that basically, the birth CERTIFICATE, is our evidence or proof, that we have AUTHORITY to be operating within this FOREIGN JURISDICTION...?

Cuz the great fear has always been- "Dont walk into court with the Birth Certificate.. go in showing your Birth RECORD, you'll create joinder with the court if you present the Birth Certificate"....but, its like Dean says...are you gonna be there as the janitor, or, are you gonna act like the Owner/CEO...?

I think the mantra ive put together for if im ever in that position is- "Im here for that matter.. good morning your Honour.. im here by special appearance only, pro se/sui juris, as i am the Grantor, the sole-living-Beneficiary, and the Lawful Holder in Due Course, now, who will be acting as the Surety today?..." This goes back to Scott's ROOT/SUDO computer-analogy the other day im still a little foggy-on, but..i think its a fancy-way of playing musical-judicial-courtroom-chairs?

..and - you've put yourself in control of making-the-music-stop right up front?

Fuck, thats right..there's the part where Scott said to ask the Judge if it were best he acted as the Administrator for todays proceedings, i think i made a note of that somewhere

got it!... "Barring the court's objection, I believe the best interests of all parties would be met if YOU were the administrator, your honour, don't you agree? First an apology: If I have lead to the court to believe I am a surety in this matter, than that would be a MISTAKE. Please forgive me (They MUST forgive). Now, I'd like to cover the matter of surety, now that there is a competent administrator, would you be so kind as to identify, for the record, who is surety in this matter?" Then you respond with questions to EVERYTHING. It's a battle of wills and intellect.

Not bad!

Not bad at all!

I think i pretty much nailed it(i HAVE been paying attention like Dean Wiebe too, ya'know ;).. did i get ANYTHING wrong with that - any constructive-criticism would be welcomed

Derek, I am here on that matter, how can I help solve this?

let them do their job

Derek Moran you don't wanna screw up in any way and link yourself to your person, no possession. You are here on that matter, how can I help... and just more questions, if necessary. If nothing is rebutted you should just leave and let them do their job.

you can address me as "Pete"

I'd like, has NO power. I WISH does. YOU'RE A KING! ACT LIKE IT!

At this time I WISH to ADDRESS the matter of SURETY. Look at that statement.

Wishes are statements. To execute that statement, ask a question relating to the statement.

At this time I wish to address the matter of surety. Would you be so kind as to assist me in addressing the party of surety?

1. marked by readiness to fight or argue; aggressive a belligerent tone 2. (Military) relating to or engaged in a legally recognized war or warfare n a person or country engaged in fighting or war [from Latin belliger, from bellum war + gerere to wage]

I was in the superior court today and they would not let me file my reply to the statement of defense with my live birth record

But I was able to do it with the statement of claim. Lmfao

Some of the clerks know and some unfortunately don't about the legal person and human being

Why would you OFFER YOUR NAME as a DEFENCE??? They were helping you out!

They wanted government id

Yes, for SURETY. You CLAIM the name, not DEFEND it. If you don't CLAIM, it's not YOURS. You are just USING it.

They will never question you CLAIMING the name! The CANNOT challenge that claim. The Government is NOT a PERSON.

They covered your ass. NEVER offer your name in DEFENCE!

The law and reality don't care. And if you want to change it, say you made a MISTAKE. You are the KING! ACT like it!

Isn't superior court above CANADA?

I'm sorry, you pulled that out of your ass. I cannot refer to that library.

Drivers license is property of theirs

Drivers license would be the surety

"Superior court" is PROVINCIAL :P

Nope, not in Ontario

Supreme court is provincial

Our superior court is your queens bench

You PRE-CONSENTED surety OUTSIDE of driving, with a driver's Licence. That's why cops always ask for it specifically. You MUST produce it when asked...even walking around.

You don't need a license to travel Scott! So why would I carry it around with me? ;)

I have a surety with me, myself and I! :P

ED, there is NO "Supreme court of ONTARIO

DO NOT SPREAD LIES!

YOU

ARE

LYING

It is: THE ONTARIO SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICE

THE SUPREME COURT OF CANADA

YOU FUCKING LYING SACK OF SHIT

PEOPLE RELY ON ACCURATE INFORMATION HERE! IT'S ASSHOLES LIKE YOU DECLARING BULLSHIT IS TRUE, THAT CAUSES THE AARON SWARTS' OF THE WORLD, TO KILL THEMSELVES. AARON SWARTZ DID MORE THAN YOU EVER WILL. PEOPLE LIKE YOU LYING ABOUT THINGS, KILLED HIM

DO

NOT

SPREAD

LIES

HERE

THE ONTARIO SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICE http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/scj/en/

SUPREME COURT OF CANADA http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/home-accueil/index-eng.asp

LYING SACK OF SHIT https://www.facebook.com/ed.obrien.5099

I hope that clears up any confusion regarding this issue.

http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/scj/en/

Ed O'Brien Nope, not in Ontario 15 minutes ago via mobile � Like Ed O'Brien Supreme court is provincial 15 minutes ago via mobile � Like Ed O'Brien Our superior court is your queens bench 15 minutes ago via mobile � Like LIES! NEVER LIE ON MY FORUMS!

You just sent a link SHOWING YOU LIED!

Superior Court of Justice, not "supreme court" like YOU LIED.

I was under the presumption. Lol

You need to assume EVERYTHING you think is wrong. If you could THINK, you wouldn't BE here.

Why do you think your pulled-out-of-your-ass presumption is as good as my knowledge? WHY do you think you can say "NO" to a fact I pose? The library in your ass that you pull this shit from SERVES and HELPS NOBODY!

http://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/provincial-offences/overview/

That is the LOWEST court.

Why do you want to do business with them?

WTF is a "Provincial offence"? This is fraud in the same way a casino is fraud.

When you say provincial court...that's what I was thinking

Still don't have ANY clue what a "Provincial Offence" is... Some party was "Offended" in an ADMINISTRATIVE ZONE?

Who IS this "Injured Party"?

Here in REALITY, PROVINCE means ADMINISTRATIVE ZONE in ANY LEGAL context.

Who is this "offended" party? I offer a tissue, and a heartfelt "I'm sorry", as remedy :P

PROVINCIAL OFFENCE - WTF?

Here's the explanation of what a Provincial Offence is from off The County of Elgin's website where my mom was GIVEN a speeding-ticket on the 401 in St. Thomas: "Provincial Offences are NON-criminal charges...A Part I is commonly referred to as a ticket that is issued to an INDIVIDUAL..."

now here's the part they dont tell you in the Highway Act, but, put in the Annotated book out by Carswell: Provincial Offences are QUASI-CRIMINAL.. Quasi-Criminal they say, is a FOREIGN JURISDICTION

The problem is, you can try and tell them that- "You're a Foreign Jurisdiction, you dont have any authority over me," but like Dean says..they'll come and find'ya and drag you into court anyways, so its easier to show-up and make a 'special appearance'..but then like a guard at Eglinton/Keele told me - "you acquiesce to their jurisdiction as soon as you walk through the front-door of the courtroom"..so WTF?!

The box for people in custody is a different jurisdiction altogether, too ;)

OH - buried the lead here.. Quasi-Criminal definition in The Dictionary of Canadian Law = offences CREATED by the Province, basically..oh how nice of them...what was Lawful yesterday is now Illegal today

So i call-up the Prosecutor in St. Thomas for the Early Dispute Resolution meeting.. he says "Name?"..."Oh, hold on, umm..both, i, AND my mom, waive, NONE of our common law or natural law rights, AND, both i, and my mom, reserve, ALL, of our common law and natural law rights".....then he called me and my mom a Freeman - lol

Ok..what do I do with the last speeding ticket I had....belligerant ???

In RED, write NO CONTRACT and mail it back registered.

Diagonally so it VOIDS it.

he sends me something in the mail.. its not listed as R. v. ELIZABETH MORAN, its, R. v. Elizabeth Moran......did i block his jurisdiction over her from the get-go with that declaration? :/

Ok...will do that thanks

Ok, but, after the declaration, and he calls me a Freeman, asks for THE NAME again, i say to him- "Well..my grandparents called my mom Elizabeth, and, i guess after she married my dad, she took his family-name too, which is Moran".....now - any significance with that?

I will follow-up this later, but.. big Achilles heel for 'the crown,' is who is actually listed as the Complainant/Victiim on the police-report of any 'Provincial sorry-i-have-offended-you' they're charging YOU with

Send BACK everything registered mail, with NOTICE that Government interaction with this "address" is billable at $500.00 per exchange. (Good day's pay for the work you are doing...just like them!) No signature is required, not even WHO it's from. It's a KEEP OFF THE GRASS notice.

If you get a BILL or a SIGNED INVOICE, then pay it.

What? You thought it was marketing hype?

A girl on Dean's page contacted me during one of his shows on Monday, asked if i was in Toronto, if i could help her in court in a few days with a traffic-ticket. These Crown prosecutors like to say we cant give you legal-advice. He's holding the police-report. What about that i say. What about it? Theres a problem with the police-report. How so? The Complainant/Victim says on it- 'Toronto Police Services.' Yeah, so? So then, i pull-out of my jacket my Police Officers Manual 2000 of Criminal Offences and Criminal Law by Gary P. Rodrigues. Well, as i understand it, the definition of a complainant in this book, says that is a victim? Ummm, uh-huh, thats right. And the definition of a victim, is the one who suffered physical or emotional loss as a result of harm from the committed offence. At this point, his eyes start to widen as he sees where im going with this. Mmm-hmm... Ok, SO, you mean to tell me, that this petite-girl, as a result of her traffic-ticket, injured and harmed the WHHHHHHHHHOLE Toronto Police Services - all at ONCE? Or, did she somehow manage to harm them as a result of this traffic-ticket, incrementally, one at a time. Like, have they recovered yet? Are any of them still in the hospital - are they ALL still in the hospital?? At this point he tells me - Oh, uhh, you know what, dont worry about that its not really all that important. I BURST out laughing, yeah maybe to you, but to she it is, and, you're gonna be able to call the Toronto Police Services Board onto the stand to explain how she ended-up injuring them all at the SAME TIME? His attitude changed after that. Who did they fill-out as the Complainant/Victim? Thats Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation is Fraud. Misrepresentation on the witness-stand is perjury. All that was, was False Pretences. Eustace Mullins would say- "Your Honour, we're here under False Pretences. Thats illegal. Itd be illegal to continue with these preceedings. Thats your remedy.(one of them)

There was once a time I would have tried that. Now it's arbitrary.

I can imagine the advanced-tricks you have up your sleeve, for me..it was the first real-chink i saw in the Quasi-Criminal-armor

WHO ARE YOU is the question they fear the most.

I asked of the prosecutor from St. Thomas- "Quo warranto..by what authority do you have to charge my mom with a statute when shes not a Government Actor, performing-a-public-function-of-Government, doing a Government Action?"..his response- "You have to come to the court and make those arguments in front of the Judge..im going ahead with trial" :/

Ed O'Brien- The Dictionary of Canadian Law, QUASI-CRIMINAL OFFENCE: an offence CREATED by provincial law which carries a penalty similar to that for a crime.

Provincial Offences are NON-CRIMINAL charges... http://www.elgincounty.ca/main-menu/departments/ontario-court-justice-provincial-offences

the Dictionary of Canadian Law, BELLIGERENT: n. a country or group of PEOPLE waging war as determined by the law of nations.

In Blacks Law, "nation" is substituted for, "people"..if that makes a difference

By what authority does this court wage war on my person?

im pretty sure this is Scott Duncan's favourite Maxim-of-Law: Silent leges inter arma- ("Laws are SILENT amid arms").. note this Maxim is NOT in The Dictionary of Canadian Law. Boo.

What is your claim? Are you claiming i'm bound by your statutes? How? because i'm not an officer, agent, employee or hold any title of office for your corporation! What authority do YOU have over me? Good or bad Scott Duncan or Derek Moran?

Basically....proof of claim and proof of authority

Hey Ed- Kelleran up at the top is trying to get a discussion going regards Claim of Right.. i havent done any myself, but id imagine itd be on legal-paper, notarized, and claim its your right to do anything that wont injure/harm/wrong/trespass/victimize another living man or woman, thatd be my guess

WHO ARE YOU? THAT is the one they hate. Well cover that in a future article.

I would like to see a discussion on "remedy for being foreclosed upon" ;)

There is no "foreclosure" in Canada. Only power of sale.

That's what a marriage is. It's a bill of lading for money of account.

Seriously. Lien it and use your name without JOINDER. Seriously! THESE ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS! STOP TRYING TO JOIN THEIR PARTY!

*sigh* WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE? You are like a fat little old lady gossiping about the affairs of her neighbour!

SHOW NOTHING! STOP TALKING TO YOUR FUCKING RAPIST YOU STOCKHOLM-SYNDROME DAMAGED IDIOT!

Seriously! DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK! https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/483743828328221/

Government = TRUST and AQUILAE TRUST is a trust. Government creates "money" Does Aquilae create "money" in a similar way?

Please forgive my ignorance :/

It's a smart question! Yes it does.

can a PERSON join more than one TRUST?

No. a PERSON is a TITLE.

You can't own "half a person".

I am listening to Heather Tucci talking about OPPT and how the TRUST they set up is encompassing all "people". Scott said that a PERSON can't be part of two TRUSTs. Yet I (unwillingly) am attached to the government of Canada via their trust... how can OPPT BE? What have I missed?

OPPT BE? It's not. Fraud. Pure and simple. You cannot make an arbitrary claim and call it perfected. The second I'm told I have obligation or undertaking...I'll tell you to go fuck yourself. It's toilet paper. I WILL take any BENEFIT though...

You can tell anyone that due to the fact that you are in the AQUILAE TRUST correct? What about the little ignoramuses of the world? lol

Let me see if I understand this: I form a corporation with shareholders that are trustworthy, I lien the BC, proclaim my sovereignty, establish a trust, serve a writ decreeing to concerned parties my wishes, appoint the corporation as the trustee, Declare Myself Administrator, and Sole Inheritor, Demand disclosure of all patents and holdings of the BC and benefits thereof. Establish a currency backed by my 1/33 millionth share of the estimated 2500 trillion in natural resources. Instruct the governor of the bank of Canada of my wishes? I have severe bandwidth issues at the moment 12 kb/sec translation: waiting for homework to load. 2 hours now..

Too many points of failure. Lien your name. Goodbye government. Start a corporation Make an "internal" currency. GET A CLUE and do your ACCOUNTING. Go live your life. THE END. Just make sure the shareholders are people you TRUST.

Isn't that method still playing by um, rules and man-made nonsense. I mean this whole thing is a giant cluster fuck fraud right?

So make one that isn't. Or, take an axe, head out into the woods, and let me know when you can send me an email ;)

Why do I need to make a new one? why can't we just get along? lol

Why do you think you are entitled to the old one? Did YOU make it?

I am not claiming any entitlement. I don't think. I don't live in Canada - haven't for 10 years. But I just give them legal tender for a passport every 5 years - which I NEVER sign and still get visas stamped into it...

We can't get along because you can't tell the difference between what's true and what feels good. http://www.stuffistumbledupon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/lion-king-meme-real-life-lion-king_thumb.jpg

You got me...

Fiona- no offence..but if i were you, and a woman..i would've already made the trek to Ontario, let Scott use you like a pin-cushion(with terms-and-conditions, of course - people have to have standards)..gained the knowledge needed from out-of-the-tip-of-his-dick..gone back to B.C., and got either your house back or the principal you had already given to them - i dunno.....is it just me ? ;)

I may be speaking from a biased position... but the dude's got a point.

"Just make sure the shareholders are people you TRUST"... that would be simple; me.. me.. and me

...and it can't BE you.

I am still ignorant as to how this clusterfuck exists - I can't believe that anyone with full disclosure would consent to this nonsensical travesty of a "system" lol

There's not "trust" and therefore NO VALUE

Get through your head...alone you have NO VALUE in admiralty.

It cant BE Derek Moran.. can it be DEREK MORAN?

Yes...in the universe inside your ass that you just pulled that concept out of.

You are like a gold-digging whore who spends but doesn't want to fuck the old rich guy. Stop trying to "profit". JUST EXCHANGE. This is NOT a Ben Lowry "game the system" course.

I'm REALLY SORRY the people you have in your life can't be trusted. DEAL WITH IT. Get BETTER people in your life.

Why is there no other method - short of getting an axe and heading in to the woods - to peacefully have the FRAUDSTERS fuck off?

I mean other than making a TRUST which is using thier fucked laws

K- how bout this.. is there a MINIMUM to the number of shareholders you have to have?

1: Too many people and everyone thinks its their right to breed. 2: We're an agrarian society supporting specialist skills. 3: None of you know what money is. 4: Collectively ignorance is celebrated, so the SMART ones are away from all of it...and they AREN'T breeding. THAT'S why.

Really Derek? You can go through "clubhouse rules" and haven't looked at corporations?

money is as money does

"You can go through "clubhouse rules" and haven't looked at corporations?".......admittedly, i wouldnt even know where to start

I wouldnt mind going to take a TRUST Law course on this stuff.. can you recommend a good one?

Seriously everyone! DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK! If you don't want to watch, or are too stupid to understand it, SHUT UP IN THE TENDER FOR LAW GROUP! I WILL NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT THIS ANSWERS, so watch! THIS IS SHOWING YOU WHAT I'M DOING. Please read what I say here. I'm tired of explaining. I'm tired of assholes calling me names, because I won't pander to their ignorance. Just watch. Until you watch it, SHUT UP. https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/483743828328221/

http://www.ppsa.ca/ppsacaV3//registration/index.jsp

�corporation� means a body corporate with share capital to which this Act applies �person� includes an individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, unincorporated association, unincorporated syndicate, unincorporated organization, [TRUST], body corporate, and a natural person in his or her capacity as trustee, executor, administrator, or other legal representative http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90b16_e.htm

So I go to court for a matter & ask "Who is the SURETY in this matter?" Who will reply?

Minimum number of people in a Trust would be you and one other correct? Trustee can't be Admin or Beneficiary, but Admin and Beneficiary can be same person? Is that right?

I start-off from the get-go picturing a TRUST in the shape of a triangle to begin with.. Dean Clifford actually did some really good videos breaking it all down, on Time4TheTruth.info

Derek, I was trying to paraphrase Dean...

The third is the HOUSE OF WINDSOR

Is that world wide? What about in Thailand?

Just to switch things around here for a second. You say alone I have NO VALUE. NO VALUE to whom? And why should I give a fuck what THEY think? lol

The part III of the video seems to suggest everyone does have value of some sort...

There you go. Thanks for watching it. Paul Gringon worked very hard to get a monetary theory course in less than 2 hours. He ALSO shows that the SYSTEM isn't broken, the PEOPLE are.

The PEOPLE running the current system you mean? I understand that most people are pretty dumb. It's not TOTALLY their fault. Again, the "people" running the slave system in place now are more to blame in the way I see things. I mean society today is still ancient rome with their coliseum type distractions and such...

It IS their fault. If they can't do the job properly and they are doing the job ANYWAY, it most certainly IS their fault.

Right, Scott. I was coming at this from the point of view that the sinister element(s) here has more to gain from collapsing the current system. Let the useless eaters die off from their own stupidity. Helped along the way by harmful elements introduced into the food and water supply that make and keep the brain from functioning properly. Then cull the herd and keep whatever VALUE / property /infrastructure or whatever that the poor unknowing slaves built. Whatever. I hope you succeed in your mission that you posted in the above thread. Sooner the better!

It's not up to me. Me and others of my kind, are giving away trillions of dollars worth of FREE SHIT. Open Source and FREE (as in speech, not as in beer) SOFTWARE INITIATIVES are now competing head-to-head with the Commercial Counterparts. BITCOIN and other OPEN currencies are ALREADY the cheapest way to send money, internationally. HUGE WEALTH awaits those who STOP TRYING TO PROFIT.

LEARN, so you are QUALIFIED to HELP.

"Their" mind is pretty single minded lol. Linear thinking, it hasn't the ability to balance itself or to explore in a 360 degree way. I'd imagine the physical expressions of that would be how our inner world was reflected in our outer world. Straight single minded lines instead of circles. :) ;)

Trying to help here Scott Duncan it is not their mind.

"Linear thinking, it hasn't the ability to balance itself or to explore in a 360 degree way." - You flunked algebra, didn't you?

I had no idea ( how could I have ?) Scott, That you are behind those sorts of things! I am a Linux user and am well aware of the BITCOIN! I am looking forward to the SAMSUNG move to the non Android Linux... I don't remember the rumored name ... time for bed here!

I am not behind them. I'm PART of them. I have skills and resources most don't. I DIRECT from a QUALIFIED position and from one of TRUST. ACTUAL TRUST, not "faith". FAITH is what caused this bubble of ignorance.

So Dunc how long have you been part of therof . Their mind??

Since birth I was born into it.

So I will ask again whio is the APPOINTOR of the TRUST.

I'll have to go back a few centuries. I believe it was JOHN ALEXANDER DUNCAN. I wasn't alive then :P

So you don't know who the APPOINTOR is. Their mind loves this guy.

YOU FUCKING KNOW THE ANSWER :)

I leave you with this. A solution is not necessary if the problem no longer exists. We are given this life, our life, to manage. Mass solutions unfortunately clump in other 'their' minds so are dead in the water before they are even concieved. Often times the people advocating 'their' solutions don't practice them themselves. A solution then turns into an idle belief.

I just follow the rules. I don't make `em :P

You follow rules WTF. What fucking rules.

The rules I swore to uphold when I claimed the TRUST.

The TRUST this cunt is the APPOINTOR JOHN ALEXANDER DUNCAN.and nothing to do with you.

Your point? Speak plainly. Others are reading.

We find the APPOINTER we win. Surely you know, you follow rules fuq.

No, you don't. The Grantor's job is DONE.

Where i s the APPOINTOR.

In your ass? This "appointer" is just shit you pulled out of your ass. Your answers are THERE not here.

No APPOINTER has control of the trust. APPOINTER too big to come out of my ASS.. Shoe me Dunc.

Homework done.... and an opinion offered. Some metaphors are used ... This also address�s Scott Duncan�s 4 points above. Results: Quite simply, the moment of clarity that comes with long sought after comprehension of truth. A conclusion to the final fragments of thought needed to complete an idea. Leading to a solution that could apply to others, it definitely applies to me. A cumulation of many years research looking for truth. Let me explain. I arrived to this page muddled and confused thinking I had a comprehension of the Sovereign movement and process�s to rectify the deception. I stand corrected. To comprehend my epiphany one must be aware of certain facts. the following is paraphrased and based on research which I can site upon request. We are all born into something. Whatever it is, it is something. What comes with it is quite simply, indoctrination. We are imprinted from the get go to follow in our cultures footsteps. That is as simple as I can make it. It is what it is. If you are reading this you are in some manner affected by the imprinting on many different levels of being, you cannot not be. As a result, a condition of life has been programmed into us, intentional or not. A condition that affects us in 3 very powerful ways. In most cases accompanied by multiple traumas 1. Learned helplessness/superiority Prey/ Hunter one example: Relying on systems of faith including but not limited to: Religion, No Religion, Politics, Racism, Tolerance, money, sex, occupation etc. all systems require some sort of faith in what you are doing is right for you based on cultural biasses. 2. Suspension of Reason: Every cult has a book, the initiates of that particular cult have a cultural version of their truth. with that software installed to our bio metric operating system we cannot think naturally . Clich�s are often used in all manner and forms that suspend analytical analysis and critical thinking, compounded by mass media and false teachings. 3. Chronic Frustration: All the stress�s over a programmed world view that is made up of multiple software installations manifesting in addiction on many levels. Resulting in operating systems temporarily going offline and creating physical and psychological disease. Affecting the whole...... The outrage one feels upon investigation is a result of breaking away from the betrayal of trust on many levels, it affects us to the core of our beings. Our Operating systems have been infected with numerous insidious virus�s that take away from our natural state. Symptoms of infection: the nagging feeling something is going on but I can�t quite put my finger on it, just out of reach of my primitive, stupor induced mind. The anger I once felt has now stiffened into resolve. The moment of clarity was akin to a huge, big ass safe being opened, the combination clicked and the bolts thunked out of place and Holy Shit ... understanding money in a whole new way lead to the final part of my solution for this sovereign being. I am not a greedy guy, I do want security and health for my being. For me it looks like a rejuvenating way to farm. working in harmony with natural process�s with a blend of old and new technologies. I can do what is termed as Bio Mimicry, replicating the natural process of the way the millions of buffalo lived for centuries, until recently, as a crucial component of the North American ecosystem. The innovation was created by a guy named Joel Salitan of Polyface farms, he is the innovator behind this process. With light weight plastic electric fences that have micro chip cable of sustaining a voltage high enough to humanely keep the cattle contained and safe from predators and low enough not to melt the plastic ( Nasa tech), that are sized according to what nature can sustain a herd of cows on, about 100 head on 1 acre for 1 day, they invade, disturb the land eat the grass down to the nub, leave gifts of fertilizer then move them to the next patch to an already setup 1 acre paddock to which they go for 1 day and so on and so on. Grass-fed not acidic corn which is not a food for an omnivore hugely different than what is available in most places. 3 days later come the chickens, heritage chickens non genetically manipulated, 2 kinds, the egg ones and the eating ones, 8 week growing cycle. They come in a spread the fertilizer and disturb the ground some more also grass-fed supplemented with healthy feed.... Exchange can begin then. Also hogs.... I have attached a link.... He explains it perfectly. It is based on science and the blending of tech. What� the big deal? It is based on 0 .... balancing the ledgers in cooperation with nature. Zero is phenomenal, it is in balance. In every way. The whole thing works in a natural process and offsets many environmental concerns.... it creates topsoil. a little independent system of bio diversity. which if done as choice could have a huge impact the process is learnable and simple. the skill set is one which I have. I appeal to your sensibilities and superiors to look at this as a complimentary way to live the principles outlined by the film �Money as Debt III�. This process is simple, duplicatable and most importantly scalable, we can make them fit any community on the face of the planet. This could be BENEFIT to all of us. The awake and asleep... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBZgANtcXm8

Sovereign movement SOLVED: 66. It is, of course, true that democracy expresses the sovereign will of the people. 67 The CONSENT of the governed is a value that is basic to our understanding of a free and democratic society. Yet democracy in any real sense of the word cannot exist without the rule of law. It is the law that creates the framework within which the "sovereign will" is to be ascertained and implemented. http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=consent&language=en&searchTitle=Search+all+CanLII+Databases&path=/en/ca/scc/doc/1998/1998canlii793/1998canlii793.html&searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHY29uc2VudAAAAAAAAAE

This is one long post, over 300 comments, to comment on to top 20 , The BC is mine as Benificiary but not surity as I didn't sign for it making it my m, 'responsability' ditto the currancy bill, my drivers licence is surity as I signed for it, or signed it there by accepting surity for it.

sry, by signing I accept to be or provide surity.....

So Scott- who ultimately within the government holds the SURETY for DEREK MORAN?.. im guessing it was/is the REGISTRAR GENERAL of ONTARIO, as it was he who signed the second-signature on the Birth Certificate i am BENEFICIARY of? :/

It says right on your birth certificate who the surety is. The ones who sign.

And just to be clear, Scott: the first-signature being the DEPUTY REGISTRAR GENERAL on the debit-side created the debt.. the second-signature being the REGISTRAR GENERAL on the credit-side, created the CREDIT? :/

The 'Notice of Mistake' explains it, that is, surety.

Yes Derek. The PROVINCE OF ONTARIO is the TRUSTEE...It's no different than a $10 Bill.

then perhaps if they are trustee maybe you should send the sureties to them since they are in control of it...

Then EVERYTHING attached to the name becomes the property of the government. You need to CLAIM the VALUE you have contributed to the name. Lien the shit out of it, and call yourself something else. No "given" name. Only TAKEN names have power.